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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies then have to save face somehow. You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it... Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question! Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as "Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely demise panels"... ;) Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you make those decisions... BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And it IS done by the doctor's liasons. ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd like to receive at the end of your life. He http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/ You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right. Again, go read the damn bill. "hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con 8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de 9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such 12 consultation shall include the following: 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 14vance care planning, including key questions and 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo 16ple to talk to. 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 18....and so on. Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying 'is hereby ordered to'. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that? Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that? some lines snipped... 5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. No. What do you mean, what is this group of people if not a "panel"? Read this again... (IV) is guided by a "coalition of stake holders" (panel) includes representatives from emergency medical services" (panel), "emergency department physicians or nurses" (panel), state long-term care association, state medical association, "state surveyors" (STATE SURVEYERS??? Yikes! sounds like a "panel" of folks who are not interested in you), agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association. (Panel, panel, panel. And most of 'em have never even met you before!!!) Read the words, it is a panel...Period, end of story.. It DAMNED sure isn't a "death panel". If you look above about 20 or so lines you will see I never said "Death" panel. I asked if it was a "panel" you said "no"... It is a panel of strangers who should not be involved in your personal decisions... PANEL.. That's what I said.... never said death... mutter... But what everyone is losing track of, because of the lies perpetuated, is that the end of life counseling is completely 100% voluntary. Yes, and paid for by the Government and representing the Government all at the same time, with no real funding for "opposing" viewpoints... It will be like Planned Parenthood, one view, and only one view... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
In article ,
says... On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:53:46 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that? Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that? some lines snipped... 5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. No. What do you mean, what is this group of people if not a "panel"? Read this again... (IV) is guided by a "coalition of stake holders" (panel) includes representatives from emergency medical services" (panel), "emergency department physicians or nurses" (panel), state long-term care association, state medical association, "state surveyors" (STATE SURVEYERS??? Yikes! sounds like a "panel" of folks who are not interested in you), agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association. (Panel, panel, panel. And most of 'em have never even met you before!!!) Read the words, it is a panel...Period, end of story.. It DAMNED sure isn't a "death panel". Suppose the "...order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order" says, "Stop the treatment." Does that not constitute an order for 'death'. What the hell would you call a panel that issues such an order....a 'Life Panel'? Loogy, these guys are crafting a bill which will affect the life of your daughter's father. Now wake the hell up! It was interesting to hear Obama talk about an "end of life" panel... Guess that's different than a "death" panel... as we all know end of life doesn't necessarily mean death, does it??? Sorry, just had to ask;) -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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JustWait wrote:
But what everyone is losing track of, because of the lies perpetuated, is that the end of life counseling is completely 100% voluntary. Yes, and paid for by the Government and representing the Government all at the same time, with no real funding for "opposing" viewpoints... It will be like Planned Parenthood, one view, and only one view... Since you are an uneducated little ****, Scott, you have no idea what might be presented at one of these counseling sessions. Frankly, you come across as someone who might need one of these counseling sessions soon, and are scared everyone in your family and the counselor will recommend you jump off a bridge into the abyss. |
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JLH LXV wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:32:47 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:01:05 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 5:53 pm, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that? Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that? some lines snipped... 5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? Yup... It is what it is. Hey, if they like the bill they should admit what it is and support it. Don't look at the word "black" on the paper and call it "white"... Either way, gotta' go do the pool... i laugh at the right wing. they've never had to care for the dying but they oppose any effort to do so. Do you really believe that the friends and relatives of right wing folks don't die? Gosh, I could have sworn both my mother, father, and first wife had died, after several months or years of illness. I suppose I was wrong. You are sounding more like Harry by the day. That comment above sounds like something he'd say. Do you also equate killing babies with executing murderers? Just plonked the guy.. He is worse than harry, with the name calling and out of context bull****... Yeah but he gave us a quote worth repeating: "i laugh at the right wing. they've never had to care for the dying but they oppose any effort to do so. ' Right wingers' friends and relatives don't die, you know. This guy is giving Donnie a run for his money, and I don't think this guy is just pretending. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. That guy's statement is borderline retarded! |
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JLH LXV wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:06:43 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH LXV wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:59:53 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 5:13 pm, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ‘‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that— Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that— some lines snipped... 5 ‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. i was a hospice volunteer for years. the level of instruction people get at the end of their lives is pathetic and only the right wing...which hates the human race...would oppose providing these people with support Not to be too obvious, but if you were the volunteer, what the hell kind of pathetic advice were you giving them? Besides, once an individual is in a hospice haven't the difficult decisions been already made? They were in my mother's case. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. And the insults start.... What insult? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. "Pathetic advice". You don't know what kind of advice he was giving. |
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JLH LXV wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:53:46 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that? Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that? some lines snipped... 5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. No. What do you mean, what is this group of people if not a "panel"? Read this again... (IV) is guided by a "coalition of stake holders" (panel) includes representatives from emergency medical services" (panel), "emergency department physicians or nurses" (panel), state long-term care association, state medical association, "state surveyors" (STATE SURVEYERS??? Yikes! sounds like a "panel" of folks who are not interested in you), agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association. (Panel, panel, panel. And most of 'em have never even met you before!!!) Read the words, it is a panel...Period, end of story.. It DAMNED sure isn't a "death panel". Suppose the "...order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order" says, "Stop the treatment." There is no such thing. You're being misled by the right wing. Does that not constitute an order for 'death'. What the hell would you call a panel that issues such an order....a 'Life Panel'? Again, it's a fallacy. "Page 425 does deal with counseling sessions for seniors, but it is far from recommending a "Logan’s Run" approach to Medicare spending. In fact, it requires Medicare to cover counseling sessions for seniors who want to consider their end-of-life choices – including whether they want to refuse or, conversely, require certain types of care. The claim that the bill would "push suicide" is a falsehood." Loogy, these guys are crafting a bill which will affect the life of your daughter's father. Now wake the hell up! -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. About the same time that you wake up and realize that your side is lying to you, and to America. IF you read it carefully, you'll see that it is up to the individual NOT a "death panel". H.R. 3200, page 425: Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following: (A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to. (B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses. (C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy. (D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning … . (E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title. (F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders … . Where in hell in there does it say that a panel can decide whether you get life support or not? |
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In article ,
says... JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:32:47 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:01:05 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 5:53 pm, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that? Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that? some lines snipped... 5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? Yup... It is what it is. Hey, if they like the bill they should admit what it is and support it. Don't look at the word "black" on the paper and call it "white"... Either way, gotta' go do the pool... i laugh at the right wing. they've never had to care for the dying but they oppose any effort to do so. Do you really believe that the friends and relatives of right wing folks don't die? Gosh, I could have sworn both my mother, father, and first wife had died, after several months or years of illness. I suppose I was wrong. You are sounding more like Harry by the day. That comment above sounds like something he'd say. Do you also equate killing babies with executing murderers? Just plonked the guy.. He is worse than harry, with the name calling and out of context bull****... Yeah but he gave us a quote worth repeating: "i laugh at the right wing. they've never had to care for the dying but they oppose any effort to do so. ' Right wingers' friends and relatives don't die, you know. This guy is giving Donnie a run for his money, and I don't think this guy is just pretending. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. That guy's statement is borderline retarded! Which guy...?? -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Americans working much harder ? for less pay
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:34:11 -0400, JustWait
wrote: In article , says... JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:32:47 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:01:05 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 5:53 pm, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that? Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that? some lines snipped... 5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? Yup... It is what it is. Hey, if they like the bill they should admit what it is and support it. Don't look at the word "black" on the paper and call it "white"... Either way, gotta' go do the pool... i laugh at the right wing. they've never had to care for the dying but they oppose any effort to do so. Do you really believe that the friends and relatives of right wing folks don't die? Gosh, I could have sworn both my mother, father, and first wife had died, after several months or years of illness. I suppose I was wrong. You are sounding more like Harry by the day. That comment above sounds like something he'd say. Do you also equate killing babies with executing murderers? Just plonked the guy.. He is worse than harry, with the name calling and out of context bull****... Yeah but he gave us a quote worth repeating: "i laugh at the right wing. they've never had to care for the dying but they oppose any effort to do so. ' Right wingers' friends and relatives don't die, you know. This guy is giving Donnie a run for his money, and I don't think this guy is just pretending. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. That guy's statement is borderline retarded! Which guy...?? wf3h, or whatever his 'call sign' is. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:16:46 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:06:43 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH LXV wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:59:53 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 5:13 pm, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ‘‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that— Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that— some lines snipped... 5 ‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. i was a hospice volunteer for years. the level of instruction people get at the end of their lives is pathetic and only the right wing...which hates the human race...would oppose providing these people with support Not to be too obvious, but if you were the volunteer, what the hell kind of pathetic advice were you giving them? Besides, once an individual is in a hospice haven't the difficult decisions been already made? They were in my mother's case. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. And the insults start.... What insult? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. "Pathetic advice". You don't know what kind of advice he was giving. *He's* the one who used the term. I was just quoting his phrase. Guess I should have used quotes. Sorry. My bad. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Americans working much harder ? for less pay
In article ,
says... On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:34:11 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:32:47 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:01:05 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 5:53 pm, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that? Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that? some lines snipped... 5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? Yup... It is what it is. Hey, if they like the bill they should admit what it is and support it. Don't look at the word "black" on the paper and call it "white"... Either way, gotta' go do the pool... i laugh at the right wing. they've never had to care for the dying but they oppose any effort to do so. Do you really believe that the friends and relatives of right wing folks don't die? Gosh, I could have sworn both my mother, father, and first wife had died, after several months or years of illness. I suppose I was wrong. You are sounding more like Harry by the day. That comment above sounds like something he'd say. Do you also equate killing babies with executing murderers? Just plonked the guy.. He is worse than harry, with the name calling and out of context bull****... Yeah but he gave us a quote worth repeating: "i laugh at the right wing. they've never had to care for the dying but they oppose any effort to do so. ' Right wingers' friends and relatives don't die, you know. This guy is giving Donnie a run for his money, and I don't think this guy is just pretending. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. That guy's statement is borderline retarded! Which guy...?? wf3h, or whatever his 'call sign' is. Yeah, he came back during the election.. another shill.. -- Wafa free since 2009 |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
"BAR" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... D wrote: jps wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? How well are those German screwdrivers helping you write software? That's what I was thinking, how do you write software with a screwdriver! He's lying like Harry of course, you'll see no evidence of his work. I will support jps here. I wrote software for embedded systems. Most for years was in PROM's. So you had to take the screw driver and open up the case to pop out the old PROM and install the new one. How many PROMS did you destroy before you honed your technique? The TI (ee)proms had the cheapest pins. Very few. Was long before I worked for TI, and do not remember the brand anymore. Was back in the 1980's. Also changed FPLA's. |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
"Jim numero uno" "j i wrote in message ... BAR wrote: How many PROMS did you destroy before you honed your technique? For a minute I thought you were talking about Harry taking his skank to a dance. LOL |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
JLH LXV wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies then have to save face somehow. You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it... Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question! Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as "Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely demise panels"... ;) Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you make those decisions... BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And it IS done by the doctor's liasons. ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd like to receive at the end of your life. He http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/ You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right. Again, go read the damn bill. "hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con 8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de 9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such 12 consultation shall include the following: 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 14vance care planning, including key questions and 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo 16ple to talk to. 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 18....and so on. Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying 'is hereby ordered to'. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are saying. |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies then have to save face somehow. You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it... Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question! Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as "Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely demise panels"... ;) Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you make those decisions... BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And it IS done by the doctor's liasons. ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd like to receive at the end of your life. He http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/ You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right. Again, go read the damn bill. "hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con 8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de 9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such 12 consultation shall include the following: 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 14vance care planning, including key questions and 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo 16ple to talk to. 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 18....and so on. Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying 'is hereby ordered to'. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are saying. Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...152168372.html No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell, no. I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint' problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly. |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
JLH OPAof7 wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies then have to save face somehow. You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it... Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question! Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as "Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely demise panels"... ;) Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you make those decisions... BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And it IS done by the doctor's liasons. ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd like to receive at the end of your life. He http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/ You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right. Again, go read the damn bill. "hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con 8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de 9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such 12 consultation shall include the following: 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 14vance care planning, including key questions and 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo 16ple to talk to. 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 18....and so on. Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying 'is hereby ordered to'. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are saying. Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...152168372.html No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell, no. I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint' problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly. Good lord your party has lied to you and you believe every bit of it! |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
On Aug 17, 2:26*pm, NotNow wrote:
JLH OPAof7 wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies then have to save face somehow. You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it... Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question! Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as "Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely demise panels"... ;) Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you make those decisions... BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And it IS done by the doctor's liasons. ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd like to receive at the end of your life. He http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/ You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right. Again, go read the damn bill. "hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con 8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de 9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such 12 consultation shall include the following: 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 14vance care planning, including key questions and 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo 16ple to talk to. 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 18....and so on. Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying 'is hereby ordered to'. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are saying. Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434490015216... No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell, no. I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint' problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly. Good lord your party has lied to you and you believe every bit of it! Loog. hey man. remember. Politics is politics, and it seems like politicians are built to lie. Poli- [many] tics- [blood suckers] |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Aug 17, 2:26*pm, NotNow wrote: JLH OPAof7 wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies then have to save face somehow. You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it... Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question! Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as "Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely demise panels"... ;) Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you make those decisions... BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And it IS done by the doctor's liasons. ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd like to receive at the end of your life. He http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/ You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right. Again, go read the damn bill. "hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con 8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de 9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such 12 consultation shall include the following: 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 14vance care planning, including key questions and 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo 16ple to talk to. 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 18....and so on. Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying 'is hereby ordered to'. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are saying. Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434490015216... No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell, no. I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint' problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly. Good lord your party has lied to you and you believe every bit of it! Loog. hey man. remember. Politics is politics, and it seems like politicians are built to lie. Poli- [many] tics- [blood suckers] Speaking of blood suckers - chiggers qualify. I just put up a couple pics of the dangers of golfing. The quality of the photography isn't all that great, but it's real. -- John H "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -- Thomas Sowell |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
Tim wrote:
On Aug 17, 2:26 pm, NotNow wrote: JLH OPAof7 wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies then have to save face somehow. You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it... Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question! Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as "Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely demise panels"... ;) Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you make those decisions... BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And it IS done by the doctor's liasons. ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd like to receive at the end of your life. He http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/ You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right. Again, go read the damn bill. "hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con 8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de 9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such 12 consultation shall include the following: 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 14vance care planning, including key questions and 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo 16ple to talk to. 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 18....and so on. Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying 'is hereby ordered to'. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are saying. Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434490015216... No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell, no. I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint' problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly. Good lord your party has lied to you and you believe every bit of it! Loog. hey man. remember. Politics is politics, and it seems like politicians are built to lie. Poli- [many] tics- [blood suckers] I agree, it's just that some refuse to think that anyone in their party would do so. |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
Guzzisti wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Aug 17, 2:26 pm, NotNow wrote: JLH OPAof7 wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies then have to save face somehow. You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it... Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question! Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as "Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely demise panels"... ;) Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you make those decisions... BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And it IS done by the doctor's liasons. ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd like to receive at the end of your life. He http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/ You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right. Again, go read the damn bill. "hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con 8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de 9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such 12 consultation shall include the following: 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 14vance care planning, including key questions and 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo 16ple to talk to. 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 18....and so on. Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying 'is hereby ordered to'. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are saying. Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434490015216... No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell, no. I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint' problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly. Good lord your party has lied to you and you believe every bit of it! Loog. hey man. remember. Politics is politics, and it seems like politicians are built to lie. Poli- [many] tics- [blood suckers] Speaking of blood suckers - chiggers qualify. I just put up a couple pics of the dangers of golfing. The quality of the photography isn't all that great, but it's real. -- John H Jeez, they ate you alive! |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:09:37 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Guzzisti wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Aug 17, 2:26 pm, NotNow wrote: JLH OPAof7 wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies then have to save face somehow. You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it... Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question! Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as "Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely demise panels"... ;) Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you make those decisions... BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And it IS done by the doctor's liasons. ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd like to receive at the end of your life. He http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/ You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right. Again, go read the damn bill. "hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con 8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de 9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such 12 consultation shall include the following: 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 14vance care planning, including key questions and 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo 16ple to talk to. 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 18....and so on. Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying 'is hereby ordered to'. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are saying. Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434490015216... No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell, no. I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint' problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly. Good lord your party has lied to you and you believe every bit of it! Loog. hey man. remember. Politics is politics, and it seems like politicians are built to lie. Poli- [many] tics- [blood suckers] Speaking of blood suckers - chiggers qualify. I just put up a couple pics of the dangers of golfing. The quality of the photography isn't all that great, but it's real. -- John H Jeez, they ate you alive! Them's mean motha's. -- John H "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -- Thomas Sowell |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
Proprietario di Guzzi wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:09:37 -0400, NotNow wrote: Guzzisti wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Aug 17, 2:26 pm, NotNow wrote: JLH OPAof7 wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH LXV wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies then have to save face somehow. You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it... Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question! Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as "Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely demise panels"... ;) Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you make those decisions... BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And it IS done by the doctor's liasons. ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd like to receive at the end of your life. He http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/ You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right. Again, go read the damn bill. "hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con 8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de 9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such 12 consultation shall include the following: 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 14vance care planning, including key questions and 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo 16ple to talk to. 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad 18....and so on. Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying 'is hereby ordered to'. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are saying. Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434490015216... No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell, no. I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint' problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly. Good lord your party has lied to you and you believe every bit of it! Loog. hey man. remember. Politics is politics, and it seems like politicians are built to lie. Poli- [many] tics- [blood suckers] Speaking of blood suckers - chiggers qualify. I just put up a couple pics of the dangers of golfing. The quality of the photography isn't all that great, but it's real. -- John H Jeez, they ate you alive! Them's mean motha's. -- John H "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -- Thomas Sowell There's a little island off of Tarpon Springs FL that you can camp on. I went out there one time and the no seeums just chewed on me constantly! |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:24:02 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Proprietario di Guzzi wrote: On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:09:37 -0400, NotNow wrote: snipped I just put up a couple pics of the dangers of golfing. The quality of the photography isn't all that great, but it's real. -- John H Jeez, they ate you alive! Them's mean motha's. -- John H "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -- Thomas Sowell There's a little island off of Tarpon Springs FL that you can camp on. I went out there one time and the no seeums just chewed on me constantly! These bites are five days old now and are still itching. I've been chewed on by the noseeums down in the Bahamas. Chiggers are much worse. The only good news is that their bite causes their death. -- John H "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -- Thomas Sowell |
Americans working much harder =3F for less pay
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:53:14 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:03:16 -0400, Proprietario di Guzzi penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |The only good news is that their bite causes their death. Not hardly... unless you mean that you can then locate them and kill them. Maybe I misread: "The time required for a chigger to complete its meal varies with the location of the bite, the host and the species. If undisturbed, chiggers commonly take three or four days, and sometimes longer, to eat their dinner. This is not surprising when you consider that this is the first and last meal of the young chigger's life." From: http://mdc.mo.gov/nathis/arthopo/chiggers/ -- John H "BEND OVER - The 'change' is coming!" |
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