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Americans working much harder ? for less pay
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 5:53 pm, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that? Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that? some lines snipped... 5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? Yup... It is what it is. Hey, if they like the bill they should admit what it is and support it. Don't look at the word "black" on the paper and call it "white"... Either way, gotta' go do the pool... i laugh at the right wing. they've never had to care for the dying but they oppose any effort to do so. Except, of course, when they stuck their noses into the end of life decision-making for Terry Schiavo. |
Americans working much harder ? for less pay
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Americans working much harder ? for less pay
JustWait wrote:
What a ****ing idiot you are.. I am taking care of my dying father as we speak.. Have been guiding and supporting him for 5 years asshole and now he is in the hospital again, he needs a lot of care and I am/will be here to give it to him...... You are as bad as Harry... So tell us, numnutz...who is paying for the bulk of care your dad is receiving? I'll bet it is the taxpayers, right? You may visit him and provide familial support, but *we* are picking up the tab. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:59:53 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 13, 5:13*pm, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ‘‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that— Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that— some lines snipped... 5 ‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. i was a hospice volunteer for years. the level of instruction people get at the end of their lives is pathetic and only the right wing...which hates the human race...would oppose providing these people with support Not to be too obvious, but if you were the volunteer, what the hell kind of pathetic advice were you giving them? Besides, once an individual is in a hospice haven't the difficult decisions been already made? They were in my mother's case. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Americans working much harder ? for less pay
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:01:05 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 13, 5:53*pm, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. From page 429: ??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently 3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant 4 change in the health condition of the individual, including 5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a 6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening 7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a 8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or 9 a hospice program. 10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining 12 treatment or a similar order. 13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order 14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect 15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to 16 the treatment of that individual that? Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here? ??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining 16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a 17 program that? some lines snipped... 5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake 6holders includes representatives from emergency 7 medical services, emergency department physi8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors, 10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11 partment of health, state hospital association, 12 home health association, state bar association, 13 and state hospice association. Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? Yup... It is what it is. Hey, if they like the bill they should admit what it is and support it. Don't look at the word "black" on the paper and call it "white"... * *Either way, gotta' go do the pool... i laugh at the right wing. they've never had to care for the dying but they oppose any effort to do so. Do you really believe that the friends and relatives of right wing folks don't die? Gosh, I could have sworn both my mother, father, and first wife had died, after several months or years of illness. I suppose I was wrong. You are sounding more like Harry by the day. That comment above sounds like something he'd say. Do you also equate killing babies with executing murderers? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
NotNow wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. |
Americans working much harder – for lesspay
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:13:48 -0400, JLH wrote:
Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/...ct-a-pro-life- republican-from-georgia.html |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight then go home. And there is the credo of the right...stupid, sickening, and intellectually dishonest. |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message ... D wrote: jps wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? How well are those German screwdrivers helping you write software? That's what I was thinking, how do you write software with a screwdriver! He's lying like Harry of course, you'll see no evidence of his work. I will support jps here. I wrote software for embedded systems. Most for years was in PROM's. So you had to take the screw driver and open up the case to pop out the old PROM and install the new one. How many PROMS did you destroy before you honed your technique? The TI (ee)proms had the cheapest pins. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:38:11 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:13:48 -0400, JLH wrote: Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it? http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/...ct-a-pro-life- republican-from-georgia.html Who did no writing in the bill. This is a cute trick, but it has no bearing on the discussion. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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