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Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 13, 7:19*am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 13, 5:19*am, wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 4:34*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 9:03*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:19*pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote: that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine many wealthy do too!, tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on that... find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to that. it's less than 3% so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my 401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let me do this. Well actually, "they" don't get me to do much of anything for "them" and I'm not "they're spokesman, but your statement is correct when you say "so, actually, many wealthy don't work. " and you're correct. I wouldn't' work if I were rich either. Now you keep saying things like "pay for bailouts" hmmm, I think you are bagging those of wealth and labeling them all as financial institutions employees, aren't you? It seems that way or at least it does to me.- uh...who owns those financial institutions? those folks are called 'wealthy' I thought the owners were share holders who own publicly traded stock.?- i don't own 51% of any company. |
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Americans working much harder – for less pay
Tim wrote:
On Aug 13, 6:13 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:19:35 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 4:34 am, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 9:03 pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:19 pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 6:53 pm, wf3h wrote: that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine many wealthy do too!, tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on that... find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to that. it's less than 3% so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my 401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let me do this. Well actually, "they" don't get me to do much of anything for "them" and I'm not "they're spokesman, but your statement is correct when you say "so, actually, many wealthy don't work. " and you're correct. I wouldn't' work if I were rich either. Now you keep saying things like "pay for bailouts" hmmm, I think you are bagging those of wealth and labeling them all as financial institutions employees, aren't you? It seems that way or at least it does to me.- uh...who owns those financial institutions? those folks are called 'wealthy' Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. John I suppose you could be right. We need to define wealthy, and rich. Just ask Harry, in his fantasy narcissist world, he is both! |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:16:24 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: snip Maybe the deadwood went first. yeah, that's the cliche they want you to believe Stuff happens. My wife is the I.T. manager at a steel products company in the Chicago 'burbs. Managers in general have their 'enemies' and 'spies' list with them at all times in their heads. The president of the company went one step further and arranged to install a completely illegal phone tap system. One particular inside sales order taker was pulling down an unusually high salary for someone in her position, on recommendations from an out of state VP of Sales. Also a general whiner-and-complainer... When the tap was moved to her line (5 taps total), the VP's reason for said recommendations became very clear. SHE WAS PERFORMING PHONE SEX FOR THE VP!!! Now, we shall call her Farrah Drippin' Faucet, as she turned out to be a Couger that enjoyed trips up and down the Hershey Highway with the maintenance manager, Georgie Boy. Now Bob the VP was a very lucky boy indeed. Not only did he posess a name that when he became confused or didn't have enough cofee yet and spelled his name backwards it was OK, but he had a highly paid phone prostitute to talk to on weekdays. Guess who was in the first wave to go... |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
"NotNow" wrote in message ... D wrote: jps wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? How well are those German screwdrivers helping you write software? That's what I was thinking, how do you write software with a screwdriver! He's lying like Harry of course, you'll see no evidence of his work. I will support jps here. I wrote software for embedded systems. Most for years was in PROM's. So you had to take the screw driver and open up the case to pop out the old PROM and install the new one. |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:09:38 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... D wrote: jps wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? How well are those German screwdrivers helping you write software? That's what I was thinking, how do you write software with a screwdriver! He's lying like Harry of course, you'll see no evidence of his work. I will support jps here. I wrote software for embedded systems. Most for years was in PROM's. So you had to take the screw driver and open up the case to pop out the old PROM and install the new one. A trifecta. Three assholes in a row. |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message ... D wrote: jps wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? How well are those German screwdrivers helping you write software? That's what I was thinking, how do you write software with a screwdriver! He's lying like Harry of course, you'll see no evidence of his work. I will support jps here. I wrote software for embedded systems. Most for years was in PROM's. So you had to take the screw driver and open up the case to pop out the old PROM and install the new one. And it'd take high dollar German made screwdrivers to pry open the case?! |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
"jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:09:38 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... D wrote: jps wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? How well are those German screwdrivers helping you write software? That's what I was thinking, how do you write software with a screwdriver! He's lying like Harry of course, you'll see no evidence of his work. I will support jps here. I wrote software for embedded systems. Most for years was in PROM's. So you had to take the screw driver and open up the case to pop out the old PROM and install the new one. A trifecta. Three assholes in a row. Make that 4 assholes in a row. And I was even defending software guys with screwdrivers. |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
"NotNow" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... D wrote: jps wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? How well are those German screwdrivers helping you write software? That's what I was thinking, how do you write software with a screwdriver! He's lying like Harry of course, you'll see no evidence of his work. I will support jps here. I wrote software for embedded systems. Most for years was in PROM's. So you had to take the screw driver and open up the case to pop out the old PROM and install the new one. And it'd take high dollar German made screwdrivers to pry open the case?! No, we used the pocket knife at times. Only real problem we had is the guy who originally designed the case had designed military tanks. So all screws were stainless. Case was sheet aluminum. Could never get the Engineering change board to sign off on changing the stainless to plated Keps. Then the assembly people could have used the magnetic power screwdrivers with even better production results. |
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