H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 11, 8:13 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Bozoma's good buddy Bill Ayers is on the record saying he would like
to kill 20 million Americans ann now that Obama is in office he going
to get that chance thru ObamaCare, the plan inspired by Ayers. Not
only does it call for direct govt access to your bank account to pay
for health care, it may withhold care for certain persons whose lives
will not benefit enough from such procedures, the benefit to be
determined by a clique of Obama/Ayers pals.

much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on
people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it
does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they
are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people
being treated when they are beyond help

OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible.
people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't
pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks
about it, that is RATIONING

so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this
country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class
and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world.

Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care
and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will
bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures.
WAIT, THERE'S MORE.

the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine

what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman
sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown
how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us.

yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT
WORK in medical care.




Right now, for most Americans, health insurance and your health care is
determined solely by corporations who decide who to cover, who to not
cover, who to drop from coverage, what to cover, and what to charge for
that coverage. In many cases, those decisions are arbitrary and capricious.

You are so full of crap Harry it is coming out of your mouth.

Why do you focus on health insurance? Why don't you focus on health care
delivery?

What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.

Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line?

It is utter stupidity to depend upon the vagaries of a corporation for
something as important as health care insurance.

Forgo health insurance and go with HSA's and pay for your health care
with your own money.

I've always gotten a kick out of the fools here and elsewhere who think
that everyone has access to health care because they can go to an
emergency room. What you get there if you don't have insurance
is...short-changed.

All you have to do is pay for the services you receive and you will get
all of the health care you want.

On Aug 12, 8:42*am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:


What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.

Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line?

oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the
american economy in the last year or so.

In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102
@o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...

On Aug 12, 8:42*am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:


What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.

Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line?

oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the
american economy in the last year or so.

Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in
spending... right..

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Aug 12, 10:22*am, JustWait wrote:
In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102
@o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...



On Aug 12, 8:42*am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:

What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.

Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line?

oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the
american economy in the last year or so.

Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in
spending... right..

--

no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000
night stands, their maybach sedans, etc.

i just have to pay for their mistakes

"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote:
In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102
@o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...



On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:

What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't
mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion
and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be
those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.

Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that
line?

oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the
american economy in the last year or so.

Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in
spending... right..

--

no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000
night stands, their maybach sedans, etc.

i just have to pay for their mistakes

The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your
corporate employer contributed? and then you lost 40%. But still have more
than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. If you had saved.

On Aug 13, 2:16*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

...
On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote:





In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102
@o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...

On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:

What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't
mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion
and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be
those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.

Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that
line?

oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the
american economy in the last year or so.

Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in
spending... right..

--

no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000
night stands, their maybach sedans, etc.

i just have to pay for their mistakes

The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your
corporate employer contributed? *and then you lost 40%. *But still have more
than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. *If you had saved.- Hide quoted text -


ROFLMAO!! they only do that because congress authorized them to. and
because they've gutted pension plans. and, of course, they get a tax
write off for 401k's. and they just stole the money back so their
contributions are nil

and, no, i don't have more money. my financial advisor told me that if
i had put my money in my mattress since 2002, i'd be 20% ahead of
where i'm at now.

so while you insist that thieves and robbers are paragons of
development, i see them for what they are

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 2:16 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

...
On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote:





In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102
@o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...
On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't
mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion
and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be
those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.
Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that
line?
oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the
american economy in the last year or so.
Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in
spending... right..
--
no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000
night stands, their maybach sedans, etc.

i just have to pay for their mistakes

The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your
corporate employer contributed? and then you lost 40%. But still have more
than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. If you had saved.- Hide quoted text -


ROFLMAO!! they only do that because congress authorized them to. and
because they've gutted pension plans. and, of course, they get a tax
write off for 401k's. and they just stole the money back so their
contributions are nil

and, no, i don't have more money. my financial advisor told me that if
i had put my money in my mattress since 2002, i'd be 20% ahead of
where i'm at now.

My financial adviser told me, when the DOW was at 6700, that I might
have to work a couple of extra years, until I was 60, before I retired.
But, he also said that this is a great time to buy. Just the other day
we, the wife and I, met with our financial adviser and we are back on
track for me to retire at 56 since the DOW is at 9300. Retiring at 56
has been my goal for the past 5 years so. When I do retire I will have
enough money to last until I and my wife reach 90 living at our current
standard of living.

so while you insist that thieves and robbers are paragons of
development, i see them for what they are

Start stuffing your mattress.

"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Aug 13, 2:16 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

...
On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote:





In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102
@o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...

On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:

What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't
mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion
and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also
offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be
those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.

Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that
line?

oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the
american economy in the last year or so.

Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in
spending... right..

--

no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000
night stands, their maybach sedans, etc.

i just have to pay for their mistakes

The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your
corporate employer contributed? and then you lost 40%. But still have more
than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. If you had saved.-
Hide quoted text -


ROFLMAO!! they only do that because congress authorized them to. and
because they've gutted pension plans. and, of course, they get a tax
write off for 401k's. and they just stole the money back so their
contributions are nil

and, no, i don't have more money. my financial advisor told me that if
i had put my money in my mattress since 2002, i'd be 20% ahead of
where i'm at now.

so while you insist that thieves and robbers are paragons of
development, i see them for what they are

Maybe you should have reviewed you 401k choices.

Calif Bill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote:
In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102
@o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...



On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't
mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion
and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be
those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.
Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that
line?
oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the
american economy in the last year or so.
Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in
spending... right..

--

no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000
night stands, their maybach sedans, etc.

i just have to pay for their mistakes

The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your
corporate employer contributed? and then you lost 40%. But still have more
than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. If you had saved.




Bilious Bill is apologizing for Wall Street thievery...priceless.

"H the K" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote:
In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102
@o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...



On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind
seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion
and
closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering
directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be
those
individual or collective (taxation) methods.
Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that
line?
oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the
american economy in the last year or so.
Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in
spending... right..

--

no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000
night stands, their maybach sedans, etc.

i just have to pay for their mistakes

The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your
corporate employer contributed? and then you lost 40%. But still have
more than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. If you had
saved.


Bilious Bill is apologizing for Wall Street thievery...priceless.

Nope. I think most of the major Wall Street CEO's should be sued by the
shareholders or the SEC in support of the stockholders. But a lot of this
crying about loss in your 401k is just like someone crying they lost $10
million when the dot.com bubble burst. Even through they had only bought
$40k of stock.