JustWait wrote:
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JustWait wrote:
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says...
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:


There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting
the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems.
But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people.
So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have
one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators
giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO!
That is bull... Total. The republicans have sumitted a plan, look it up.
Their plan has been rejected outright and the democrats refused to
debate it in comittee or even consider it, that is the facts mon...

Where is it?

Right he

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...lth-care-pl_n_
205728.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/o7dp5e

I don't make it up as I go along ya' know..


Jesus, did you read it? It's exactly what we have now!

JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:


There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting
the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems.
But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people.
So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have
one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators
giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO!
I there have been several Republican plans put forth. But as the
private citizen who dare to say anything against the obamanation, they
were shunted out the door, and never got heard in committee.

Loogie has not seen any of that in the news. Indeed, there are several
house members (GOP) who have put forward bills and proposals and all of
them have been shut out and even censored...


Many, many people on both sides have. Putting forth little things here
and there doesn't make a comprehensive plan.

BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:16 am, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The
Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas
ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor,
believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of
law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to
some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras
removed
the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of
Honduras
appointed the new president under the Courts supervision.
As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to
their national health care plan.
Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and
only one
was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron
stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill".
What is he smoking...
Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...hcare-reform-t...


I have read the Honduran constitution and it specifically required the
military to act to remove the Pres, not the police. Zelaya was not
exiled, he was simply told that if he came back he would be arrested
for his illegal actions. He can go back whenever he wants but he will
be arrested as REQUIRED by the constitution.
The reality is that Obama DOES NOT support constitutional law. Zelaya
attempted to mount a coup and got caught. Thunder sis simply wrong
and does not even try to find out the real situation.

What does that have to do with the facts I posted about the fallacy
that most people in the U.S. don't want the government to help sort
out the screwed up healthcare system?

What is the #1 problem with health care, not health insurance, in the USA?

Again, what does this have to do with the fact that it is pure fallacy
that "most" people in the U.S. don't want the government to help sort
out the healthcare debacle?

The right is sending out SO much misinformation that it's kind of funny.
Last night, ABC news. They interview one of those screaming, yelling,
off the wall right wingers at a town hall meeting. Sir, what is your
main concern? "I don't want the government telling me I have to give up
my private insurance". Sir, does it say that in the bill? "Yes, if you
read page 16". Now, he was either coached to say that or he didn't read
it. Why? Because what it says is simply that the private insurance
companies have five years to comply with new government guidelines about
things like not being allowed to drop you because of certain conditions,
etc. Now, again, someone is either stupid or not being honest. Which?

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Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
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"NotNow" wrote in message
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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be
Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The
Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas
ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor,
believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of
law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to
some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras
removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress
of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts
supervision.

As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to
their national health care plan.
Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only
one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the
moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want this
bill". What is he smoking...

Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx
There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting
the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems.
But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people.
The above poll is exclusive to the government reformation.
But where does it address the plan as currently proposed? People want
reform. But the reform needs to be helpful.
Oh, so the majority of Americans are for the proposed plan, then it must
be helpful.

Take a reading comprehension course. Your statement is exactly 180 degrees
from what I stated. They want healthcare costs reigned in, but the majority
are not enthused with the Obama / House plan as it is now proposed.


Cite?

Sure, go back and reinsert the second link I posted yesterday from the
Huffington Post, didn't you read it, it was pretty clear?

--
Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The
Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas
ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor,
believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of
law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to
some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras
removed the sitting president for illegal activities. The
Congress of Honduras appointed the new president under the Courts
supervision.

As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition
to their national health care plan.
Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and
only one was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet
the moron stood there and said something like "most Americans want
this bill". What is he smoking...

Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx


Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort
reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues
alone would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go
against the trial lawyers..


Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll
finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing
major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken,
"congress" IS government!

Did they bother to ask what form the "health care reform" should take? I
didn't think so.

Not the point. Several on the right have said that the majority of
Americans don't want government to reform health care. That is not true.

Not true, not one of us has said that. What we have said is that the
majority of Americans don't want "this proposed" health care. Please go
back and read the second link I posted yesterday after you posted the
above link from Gallop which did not deal with "this health care" at
all, only "health care" in general... I know you get this..

--
Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed
the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras
appointed the new president under the Courts supervision.

As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to
their national health care plan.
Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one
was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron
stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill".
What is he smoking...

Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx
Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort
reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone
would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the
trial lawyers..

Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll
finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing
major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken,
"congress" IS government!

Yes, everyone wants healthcare, but not this plan, period... Every poll
that directly addresses "the plan as it is now" is against it, strongly.
By a much bigger mandate than the 1-2% "mandate" Obama won...

http://www.hcla.org/pdf/HCLA%2006%20...ct%20Sheet.pdf

That is one piece of the pie, again...
Why do you keep editing out the link from the Huffington Post I put up
yesterday? I deleted my read articles yesterday so I don't have it right
here...

--
Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:


There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting
the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems.
But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people.
So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have
one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators
giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO!
That is bull... Total. The republicans have sumitted a plan, look it up.
Their plan has been rejected outright and the democrats refused to
debate it in comittee or even consider it, that is the facts mon...

Where is it?

Right he

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...lth-care-pl_n_
205728.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/o7dp5e

I don't make it up as I go along ya' know..


Jesus, did you read it? It's exactly what we have now!

Jesus? Well, thanks for the compliment, but I am not even close...
Assuming you are not talking about the guy down on the corner

Either way, I gotta' go see dad now.. Later.

--
Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:41 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:


There is an immense gap between wanting healthcare reform and wanting
the government version. A majority acknowledges that we have problems.
But the fix according to the Fed's fix is not good to most people.
So, let's go with the Republican plan. Oh, that's right, they don't have
one, and from what I can see, there are only about 3 Republican Senators
giving input to the Democrats. The rest are behaving as the Party of NO!
I there have been several Republican plans put forth. But as the
private citizen who dare to say anything against the obamanation, they
were shunted out the door, and never got heard in committee.

Loogie has not seen any of that in the news. Indeed, there are several
house members (GOP) who have put forward bills and proposals and all of
them have been shut out and even censored...


Many, many people on both sides have. Putting forth little things here
and there doesn't make a comprehensive plan.

Yes, and several on the right have put up bills, not just amendments...

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:43:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed
the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras
appointed the new president under the Courts supervision.

As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to
their national health care plan.
Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one
was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron
stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill".
What is he smoking...

Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx
Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort
reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone
would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the
trial lawyers..

Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll
finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing
major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken,
"congress" IS government!

Yes, everyone wants healthcare, but not this plan, period... Every poll
that directly addresses "the plan as it is now" is against it, strongly.
By a much bigger mandate than the 1-2% "mandate" Obama won...

http://www.hcla.org/pdf/HCLA%2006%20...ct%20Sheet.pdf

That is one piece of the pie, again...
Why do you keep editing out the link from the Huffington Post I put up
yesterday? I deleted my read articles yesterday so I don't have it right
here...


Here it is:

Right he

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...lth-care-pl_n_
205728.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/o7dp5e

I don't make it up as I go along ya' know..
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

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says...

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:43:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama's support of legally replaced Honduras Chavez wanna-be Zalaya
failed and the thug won't be back in power any time soon. The Obama
admin realizing they had no basis for complaining about Zelayas ouster
had to back down. Constitutional law won and Obama and Chavez and
Castro lost.
zalaya is a stupid ******* but obama, unlike his predecessor, believes
in the rule of law. i realize that, to right wingers, the rule of law
is something for other people, and power is the only law...but to some
of us, constitutional principles still have meaning.
To review the facts of the case, the Supreme Court of Honduras removed
the sitting president for illegal activities. The Congress of Honduras
appointed the new president under the Courts supervision.

As with everything else, if the obamadytes disagree with it, it is
trivialized or ignored. They still think there is no opposition to
their national health care plan.
Really.. I just watched 25 questions to Arlen Specter (sp?) and only one
was supportive (even she had problems with the bill), yet the moron
stood there and said something like "most Americans want this bill".
What is he smoking...

Why would he have to be smoking something, Scotty? Here, take a look:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/ma...this-year.aspx
Yes, we want health care reform. Not a govt. takeover.. Think Tort
reform, and freedom of choice across state lines. Those two issues alone
would make a huge difference but the Democrats will not go against the
trial lawyers..

Did you LOOK at the poll? Notice the words "a USA Today/Gallup poll
finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing
major healthcare reform legislation this year." If I'm not mistaken,
"congress" IS government!

Yes, everyone wants healthcare, but not this plan, period... Every poll
that directly addresses "the plan as it is now" is against it, strongly.
By a much bigger mandate than the 1-2% "mandate" Obama won...

http://www.hcla.org/pdf/HCLA%2006%20...ct%20Sheet.pdf

That is one piece of the pie, again...
Why do you keep editing out the link from the Huffington Post I put up
yesterday? I deleted my read articles yesterday so I don't have it right
here...


Here it is:

Right he

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...lth-care-pl_n_
205728.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/o7dp5e

I don't make it up as I go along ya' know..

Thank you. I hope we don't have to hear the republicans don't have a
plan/party of no.. etc. anymore... It just is not true. Truth is the
repubs are being shut out of the process totally but no news
organizations are talking about it, "so it can't be true" snerk

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Wafa free since 2009