On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.

I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable.

I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics,
directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I
would expect our political leadership to do the same.

I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being
called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your
right and everyone's right.

I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back.

It's about time.

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says...

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.

I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable.

I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics,
directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I
would expect our political leadership to do the same.

I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being
called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your
right and everyone's right.

I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back.

It's about time.

And you have known liars like Pelosi (remember the CIA issue which has
been squashed) saying she is seeing swasticka's at these meetings and of
course that is bad. Fact is, nobody can find a picture of the health
care oppositition bearing swasticka's at any of these meetings. However
the news showed dozens of pictures of them at anti bush rallies, hitler
mustaches, etc... I guess it's only ok if it's brown shirts like ACORN,
code pink, and Union officials..

Oh, and they are the only ones allowed to enjoy freedom of speech.. it's
getting pretty bad..

--
Wafa free since 2009

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.
That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.
I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable.

I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics,
directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I
would expect our political leadership to do the same.

I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being
called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your
right and everyone's right.

I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back.

It's about time.

And you have known liars like Pelosi (remember the CIA issue which has
been squashed) saying she is seeing swasticka's at these meetings and of
course that is bad. Fact is, nobody can find a picture of the health
care oppositition bearing swasticka's at any of these meetings. However
the news showed dozens of pictures of them at anti bush rallies, hitler
mustaches, etc... I guess it's only ok if it's brown shirts like ACORN,
code pink, and Union officials..

Oh, and they are the only ones allowed to enjoy freedom of speech.. it's
getting pretty bad..



Freedom of speech at a town hall meeting means you listen to the
presenter, you ask questions, you get answers, and you are courteous to
your fellow citizens who are there to ask questions, get answers, and
learn from the dialogues.

Of course, you and your kind fear that sort of dialogue.

H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.
That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't
read it in it's entirety.
I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable.

I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics,
directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I
would expect our political leadership to do the same.

I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being
called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your
right and everyone's right.

I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back.

It's about time.

And you have known liars like Pelosi (remember the CIA issue which has
been squashed) saying she is seeing swasticka's at these meetings and
of course that is bad. Fact is, nobody can find a picture of the
health care oppositition bearing swasticka's at any of these meetings.
However the news showed dozens of pictures of them at anti bush
rallies, hitler mustaches, etc... I guess it's only ok if it's brown
shirts like ACORN, code pink, and Union officials..

Oh, and they are the only ones allowed to enjoy freedom of speech..
it's getting pretty bad..



Freedom of speech at a town hall meeting means you listen to the
presenter, you ask questions, you get answers, and you are courteous to
your fellow citizens who are there to ask questions, get answers, and
learn from the dialogues.

Of course, you and your kind fear that sort of dialogue.

No, that's your MO here, WAFA.

H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.
That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't
read it in it's entirety.
I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable.

I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics,
directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I
would expect our political leadership to do the same.

I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being
called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your
right and everyone's right.

I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back.

It's about time.

And you have known liars like Pelosi (remember the CIA issue which has
been squashed) saying she is seeing swasticka's at these meetings and
of course that is bad. Fact is, nobody can find a picture of the
health care oppositition bearing swasticka's at any of these meetings.
However the news showed dozens of pictures of them at anti bush
rallies, hitler mustaches, etc... I guess it's only ok if it's brown
shirts like ACORN, code pink, and Union officials..

Oh, and they are the only ones allowed to enjoy freedom of speech..
it's getting pretty bad..



Freedom of speech at a town hall meeting means you listen to the
presenter, you ask questions, you get answers, and you are courteous to
your fellow citizens who are there to ask questions, get answers, and
learn from the dialogues.

Of course, you and your kind fear that sort of dialogue.

It sucks to be on the receiving end of the people's dissatisfaction.

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:41:02 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:


That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read
it in it's entirety.

I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable.

I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics,
directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I
would expect our political leadership to do the same.

I respect your ambition. You have considerable reading ahead of you.
Once you get through the House bill, there will be the Senate bill, then
the reconciliation bill, ...

I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being
called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your
right and everyone's right.

Most people understand the differences between concerned citizens, and
mobs. Mobs are disruptive. But hey, whatever floats your boat. I'm
sure our democracy will survive.

I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back.

It's about time.

Maybe, but on health care, it's reaching critical mass, rapidly becoming
20%GDP. That is unsustainable. Health care in this country is broken,
and something will be done about it. The status quo can not continue.

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:31:32 -0500, thunder
wrote:

Maybe, but on health care, it's reaching critical mass, rapidly becoming
20%GDP. That is unsustainable. Health care in this country is broken,
and something will be done about it. The status quo can not continue.

I agree with you - in complete agreement actually.

This, however, ain't the answer. Growing health care from 18% to 30%
of GDP isn't sound either.

Want an example? My daughter treat a lot of Medicare/Medicade, Plan B
people along with her regular patient load.

She and her partner have to hire what is called a "coder" - Medical
Coding Specialist - just to fill out the paperwork properly to send in
for reimbursement which takes it's sweet time getting back to her - as
much as six to eight months in general and it's just about covers her
expenses - as a rule.

$85,000/yr for a Medical Coding Specialist.

Her practice is her, her partner (a surgeon), an NP and a PA. Four
direct care providers supported by 2 nurses, 4 clerks, an office
manager and this coding specialist.

That's what's broken about health care.

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:31:32 -0500, thunder
wrote:

Maybe, but on health care, it's reaching critical mass, rapidly becoming
20%GDP. That is unsustainable. Health care in this country is broken,
and something will be done about it. The status quo can not continue.

I agree with you - in complete agreement actually.

This, however, ain't the answer. Growing health care from 18% to 30%
of GDP isn't sound either.

Want an example? My daughter treat a lot of Medicare/Medicade, Plan B
people along with her regular patient load.

She and her partner have to hire what is called a "coder" - Medical
Coding Specialist - just to fill out the paperwork properly to send in
for reimbursement which takes it's sweet time getting back to her - as
much as six to eight months in general and it's just about covers her
expenses - as a rule.

$85,000/yr for a Medical Coding Specialist.

Her practice is her, her partner (a surgeon), an NP and a PA. Four
direct care providers supported by 2 nurses, 4 clerks, an office
manager and this coding specialist.

That's what's broken about health care.


Good Lord... up here that work is usually done by a $25-30K per year
receptionst.
An exception might be a very large specialist group.
My wife used to deal with them on a regular basis........and I can recall my
next door neighbour (GP) when he was complaining he had to get a new
computer when this procedure went to a direct connection, rather than the
old system of mailing in claims.

On 8/7/2009 8:39 PM, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:31:32 -0500,
wrote:

Maybe, but on health care, it's reaching critical mass, rapidly becoming
20%GDP. That is unsustainable. Health care in this country is broken,
and something will be done about it. The status quo can not continue.

I agree with you - in complete agreement actually.

This, however, ain't the answer. Growing health care from 18% to 30%
of GDP isn't sound either.

Want an example? My daughter treat a lot of Medicare/Medicade, Plan B
people along with her regular patient load.

She and her partner have to hire what is called a "coder" - Medical
Coding Specialist - just to fill out the paperwork properly to send in
for reimbursement which takes it's sweet time getting back to her - as
much as six to eight months in general and it's just about covers her
expenses - as a rule.

$85,000/yr for a Medical Coding Specialist.

Her practice is her, her partner (a surgeon), an NP and a PA. Four
direct care providers supported by 2 nurses, 4 clerks, an office
manager and this coding specialist.

That's what's broken about health care.


$85K/year is way above the average for a coding specialist.

D.Duck wrote:
On 8/7/2009 8:39 PM, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:31:32 -0500,
wrote:

Maybe, but on health care, it's reaching critical mass, rapidly becoming
20%GDP. That is unsustainable. Health care in this country is broken,
and something will be done about it. The status quo can not continue.

I agree with you - in complete agreement actually.

This, however, ain't the answer. Growing health care from 18% to 30%
of GDP isn't sound either.

Want an example? My daughter treat a lot of Medicare/Medicade, Plan B
people along with her regular patient load.

She and her partner have to hire what is called a "coder" - Medical
Coding Specialist - just to fill out the paperwork properly to send in
for reimbursement which takes it's sweet time getting back to her - as
much as six to eight months in general and it's just about covers her
expenses - as a rule.

$85,000/yr for a Medical Coding Specialist.

Her practice is her, her partner (a surgeon), an NP and a PA. Four
direct care providers supported by 2 nurses, 4 clerks, an office
manager and this coding specialist.

That's what's broken about health care.


$85K/year is way above the average for a coding specialist.


Shhhh...don't confuse Tom.