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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.

No, it's not understandable. This bill is one of the most important to
hit the streets in years, along with cap and trade. Those two bills
should have been read by their damn proponents, and the proponents
should be prepared to discuss them. It seems strange that the only
folks who seem to have read the bills are those in opposition to them.

The excuse that Congressmen have too much to read is preposterous.
This isn't another bill to rename a post office.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:


Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and
everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that.

I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think*
they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a
fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the
U.S., even when people have health care insurance.

Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term
illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt.


Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance
reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care
insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the
Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about
Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term
illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario.

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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:41:03 -0400, Another John wrote:


No, it's not understandable. This bill is one of the most important to
hit the streets in years, along with cap and trade. Those two bills
should have been read by their damn proponents, and the proponents
should be prepared to discuss them. It seems strange that the only folks
who seem to have read the bills are those in opposition to them.

You are right, this bill is one of the most important bills in recent
memory, and the health care problem isn't a recent one. You might want
to consider all this could have been avoided. Up until recently,
Republicans were in control of the White House, and both Houses of
Congress. They could have done something about the spiraling health care
costs, but they didn't. Now the Democrats are. I guess that means you
pound sand.

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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:48:59 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:41:03 -0400, Another John wrote:


No, it's not understandable. This bill is one of the most important to
hit the streets in years, along with cap and trade. Those two bills
should have been read by their damn proponents, and the proponents
should be prepared to discuss them. It seems strange that the only folks
who seem to have read the bills are those in opposition to them.

You are right, this bill is one of the most important bills in recent
memory, and the health care problem isn't a recent one. You might want
to consider all this could have been avoided. Up until recently,
Republicans were in control of the White House, and both Houses of
Congress. They could have done something about the spiraling health care
costs, but they didn't. Now the Democrats are. I guess that means you
pound sand.

Another side-stepping of the issue. Actually, the 'pound sand'
philosophy is at the root of most of the Democrat activity now. They
should just say that from the git-go. It would be much more up-front
and honest.

The bull**** excuses you, jps, and Harry come up with are just that -
bull****.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Denounce your neighbors
 

H the K wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:


Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and
everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that.

I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think*
they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's
a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in
the U.S., even when people have health care insurance.
Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long
term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt.


Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance
reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care
insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the
Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about
Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term
illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario.


Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our
health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the
health care system.

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thunder wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:41:03 -0400, Another John wrote:


No, it's not understandable. This bill is one of the most important to
hit the streets in years, along with cap and trade. Those two bills
should have been read by their damn proponents, and the proponents
should be prepared to discuss them. It seems strange that the only folks
who seem to have read the bills are those in opposition to them.

You are right, this bill is one of the most important bills in recent
memory, and the health care problem isn't a recent one. You might want
to consider all this could have been avoided. Up until recently,
Republicans were in control of the White House, and both Houses of
Congress. They could have done something about the spiraling health care
costs, but they didn't. Now the Democrats are. I guess that means you
pound sand.

The Democrats wouldn't let the Republicans solve the problem. Just like
they wouldn't let Bush reform Social Security. It doesn't matter what
the outcome is because you can always claim that economic forces or the
other guy sand bagged your programs. There is political hay to be made
in being the party in control when the legislation passes and having the
ability to say we passed the bill to fix it.

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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.

I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list.
MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how to
disrupt town hall meetings.

Harry, I know Bob MacGuffie very well. He's a total loon. A very nice
guy, but a total freakin' loon.

He has exactly 15 perople who subscribe to his email list. And I'm not
one of them.

That's some POWERFUL right wing organizer huh? In particular where
he's not even an Republican.

However, speaking of organizing,

http://fderfler.posterous.com/livebl...stors-town-hal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_252720.html

Hmmm - let's see - genuine citizens concerned about their future
health care being removed from their control against ogranized Union
thugs and ACORN Organizers.

I wonder.

Here's what you don't get Harry - People are ****ed off. They are
pushing back against what they see as radicalism and leftist
philosophy. Every person I've talked to about specifics in the HC bill
- what this does, what that does, get angry and concerned.

They also want to know why the "elites" and Unions aren't being made
to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen.

And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer,
you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore.

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Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.
That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.
I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list.
MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how to
disrupt town hall meetings.

Harry, I know Bob MacGuffie very well. He's a total loon. A very nice
guy, but a total freakin' loon.

He has exactly 15 perople who subscribe to his email list. And I'm not
one of them.

That's some POWERFUL right wing organizer huh? In particular where
he's not even an Republican.

However, speaking of organizing,

http://fderfler.posterous.com/livebl...stors-town-hal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_252720.html

Hmmm - let's see - genuine citizens concerned about their future
health care being removed from their control against ogranized Union
thugs and ACORN Organizers.

I wonder.

Here's what you don't get Harry - People are ****ed off. They are
pushing back against what they see as radicalism and leftist
philosophy. Every person I've talked to about specifics in the HC bill
- what this does, what that does, get angry and concerned.

They also want to know why the "elites" and Unions aren't being made
to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen.
1Z76508R0315298452


And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer,
you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore.


Please, Tom, save your b.s. for the weak-minded "believers" here, eh? It
is patently obvious the Republicans are engaged in an organized campaign
to disrupt town hall meetings discussing health care issues.

I appreciate that many Americans are concerned. Some are going to town
hall meetings to get answers. Sadly, at some of those meetings,
Republi-thugs are disrupting the meetings.

Oh...my personal health care insurance has no connection with my
self-employed status. Sorry. :)

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H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.
That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't
read it in it's entirety.
I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list.
MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how
to disrupt town hall meetings.

Harry, I know Bob MacGuffie very well. He's a total loon. A very nice
guy, but a total freakin' loon.

He has exactly 15 perople who subscribe to his email list. And I'm not
one of them.

That's some POWERFUL right wing organizer huh? In particular where
he's not even an Republican.
However, speaking of organizing,
http://fderfler.posterous.com/livebl...stors-town-hal


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_252720.html


Hmmm - let's see - genuine citizens concerned about their future
health care being removed from their control against ogranized Union
thugs and ACORN Organizers.

I wonder.

Here's what you don't get Harry - People are ****ed off. They are
pushing back against what they see as radicalism and leftist
philosophy. Every person I've talked to about specifics in the HC bill
- what this does, what that does, get angry and concerned.

They also want to know why the "elites" and Unions aren't being made
to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen. 1Z76508R0315298452


And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer,
you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore.


Please, Tom, save your b.s. for the weak-minded "believers" here, eh? It
is patently obvious the Republicans are engaged in an organized campaign
to disrupt town hall meetings discussing health care issues.

Great spin Harry. Too bad it isn't true. Just like the tea parties the
bi-partisan uprising surrounding health care is a grass roots genuine
one and not a David Axelrod astro-turf manufactured one.

I appreciate that many Americans are concerned. Some are going to town
hall meetings to get answers. Sadly, at some of those meetings,
Republi-thugs are disrupting the meetings.

The Community Organizer and Chief Barack Hussein Obama has unleashed the
his corps of brown ****s, known as ACORN, and the true thugs will be
out in force now. As we have already seen ACORN will be packing the town
hall meetings before the doors are "opened" to the public only to find
that the town hall is already at capacity.

Good by 1st amendment.

Oh...my personal health care insurance has no connection with my
self-employed status. Sorry. :)

We know you have been leeching off of a union that you haven't actually
worked for in 40 years. It is too bad they haven't figured out that you
are only a member to reap the benefits from those poor working stiffs.

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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:32:34 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:59 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's
about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really
smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's
opinions and can discuss and debate rationally.

Perhaps, you can give us a synopsis of the discussion.

It was interesting to say the least.

What I found most interesting is that nobody, other than myself and
two otehr people there - one a tax accountant, the other a local
doctor, had actually attempted to read the bill.

I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

I did manage to get a question in, but the answer was as stated above
- they would not and could not answer specific line item questions
about the bill - only about the genral over view of the bill and how
it would affect Americans.

And we found out that our Rep is not going to be addressing health
care in individual forums but will be conducting an "open" town hall
conference call. WTF?

These "phone" (phony) town halls are becoming pretty popular... It is a
whole lot easier to control the questions and set them up that way. The
Health Care Reform bill is a farce, and everyone knows it.

~~ sigh ~~

It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former
counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being
very well received even among Democrats.

Should be an interesting August.



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