Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
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Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

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Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest
about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html


Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and
Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama
Canal revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band
wagon at that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice
free" when the republican politicians are forcing everyone
in their party to be darned near militant in telling
everyone that global warming just isn't happening despite
all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth
has warmed significantly over the last 140 years; Global
Warming is a reality. Multiple paleoclimatic studies
indicate that recent years, the 1990s, and the 20th century
are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the last 600, and
most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global warming
of the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global
warming. Earth has heated and cooled for it whole life.
What did man do to cause the last Ice Age about 15,000 years
ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago? And the warming
afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in
the past. We are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's
why the right's insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does
not enter into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a
building for me. You would ignore codes, etc as they are based
on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses,
strains, etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy,
you'd want me to design by a standard that was a few million
years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be
designing to codes at are as first written. They would not be
changed because of history. Exactly the opposite of what you
stated.

The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific
problem, not problems in general. As far as the topic I was
discussing, history does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the
cataclysmic events that shaped the climate at a given point in
time doesn't matter anymore. What does a history that involves
things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting earth, etc.
have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on climate
that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does? --

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!

Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.

Finally you get it.. Now I can go back to work

Back to work? A liberal socialist wouldn't be caught dead uttering those
words.