Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.

You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at that
point.

BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.

You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at that
point.

I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be darned
near militant in telling everyone that global warming just isn't
happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?

Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.

--Vic

While every one thinks of the Franklin expedition freezing to death
trapped in the Arctic Ice, transpolar trips are nothing new.

While archaeological records have not shown Norwegian Vikings reached
the Alaskan side of the northwest passage, it is known that they sailed
as far north and west as Ellesmere Island, Skraeling Island. This was
in the 10th and 11th century before the Little ice age that cause much
unrest in Europe.

One of the first trans Arctic trips was Larsen's trip in 1944, Larsen's
first transit took two seasons. The return trip was far more swift than
his first; the 28 months he took on his first trip was significantly
reduced, setting the mark for having traversed it in a single season

On July 1, 1957, the United States Coast Guard cutter Storis departed in
company with U.S. Coast Guard cutters Bramble (WLB-392) and SPAR
(WLB-403) to search for a deep draft channel through the Arctic Ocean
and to collect hydrographic information. Upon her return to Greenland
waters, the Storis became the first U.S.-registered vessel to
circumnavigate North America. Shortly after her return in late 1957, she
was reassigned to her new home port of Kodiak, Alaska.

If you read the history of Arctic exploration you will find the some
years everything is frozen and you can not get as ship into the region.
Now as it was 60 years ago and nearly 1000 years ago it may be possible
to transverse the Arctic by ship.

Global weather changes are cyclic, and the cycles have been occurring
long before puny man appeared on the face of the earth and will continue
long after he disappears. We are in one of the cycles,and long term
temperature information shows we should be more worried about the return
of the ice ages rather than global warming.

There is a lot of good information on the climate coming out of the
Archaeological exploration of human activity in the ice age settlements
in the English channel

There are many other sources of information on Arctic Exploration but
you can start here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage

NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.

You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.

I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be darned
near militant in telling everyone that global warming just isn't
happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?

Where is the peer reviewed data.

BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.

You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.

I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?

Where is the peer reviewed data.



Can you see Russia from there?

--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.

You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.

I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be darned
near militant in telling everyone that global warming just isn't
happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?

I wonder how we are having so many below average temperature days this
year? They are even calling this the year without summer in New England.

Can you tell me why we had the Medival Warming Period? Why did it occur?
What made it stop?

What caused the last ice age? What caused the glaciers across the
northern hemisphere to recede?

If global warming exists the solution is not Cap and Trade. The solution
is not light bulbs full of hazardous materials that cannot be thrown
away in a landfill.

BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.

You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.

I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?

Where is the peer reviewed data.


http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed
significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality.
Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s,
and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the last
600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global warming of
the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.

You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.

I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?

Where is the peer reviewed data.



Can you see Russia from there?


Can you see Cuba?

NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.

You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.

I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?

Where is the peer reviewed data.


http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

NOAA's data is based upon faulty measurements and only goes back a
couple of decades.


http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed
significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality.
Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s,
and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the last
600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global warming of
the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.

Which means absolutely nothing. When you look at the Earth you have to
look using a time scale of geologic proportions. Six hundred and twelve
hundred years don't constitute data points.

What caused the glaciers to recede at the end of the last ice age?