On Jul 25, 11:55*am, H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:38:03 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:19:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

any idea of the cost of ownership of a single vs double engine boat?
total maintenance, gas consumption? benefits or penalties?

THanks all....
Good question. There are safety aspects to twin ownership - mainly
having a spare engine available in particular if you are planning on
running any distance off shore. I think you were looking at a boat in
the Long Island area if I recall. *That part of the world, twins if
you are getting offshore a little ways.

With respect to costs, well two times everything in terms of
maintenance. *I've got triple ETECS, three times everything in terms
of costs. *Only makes sense.

Complexity? Not really - seperate engines are generally seperate
systems with the exception of the electrical stuff - that can get
complicated with more than one engine depending on how the boat is
wired, but usually seperate systems.

It's a trade off in a number of areas - safety, convienence,
speed/weight ratios, etc. *One more of anything is going to cost you
additional money.
Triple eTecs...to assure one will be running when it is time to head for
port.

Yep.

Then again, I can afford to run mine more than 25 hours a summer and
not have to worry about paying my loan payment on a over priced 21'
center console with a bimini top.

A. I'm well over the 100 hour mark for this season.

B. Sorry, I don't "finance" boat purchases. My last Parker had no load,
and I used some of the proceeds from the sale of that one to pay cash
for the current Parker.

C. Speaking of overpriced center consoles, consider a 33-footer that
needs THREE 200+ outboards. It's too big to be a trailer boat, unless
you are crazy, and it sure as hell ain't a flats boat. For what you paid
for that gashog you could have bought a really nice diesel-powered boat.

D. A 21-footer is a near-perfect sized boat for Chesapeake Bay and its
environs, and also for my occasional trailer hauls down to Virginia Beach..

E. If your son the cop is driving that barge, you must be subsidizing
the gas... at cruise it has to be burning between 25 and 30 gallons an
hour... hehehe. Lunacy.

Well, fools and their money.

--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I have gone offshore in my Tolman with single 90 hp yammie but I also
have a 9.9 hp kicker pull start with separate fuel tank just in case.
The 9.9 can push the light Tolman up on a plane at 9 kts with 4 aboard
in calm water.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 25, 11:55 am, H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:38:03 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:19:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
any idea of the cost of ownership of a single vs double engine boat?
total maintenance, gas consumption? benefits or penalties?
THanks all....
Good question. There are safety aspects to twin ownership - mainly
having a spare engine available in particular if you are planning on
running any distance off shore. I think you were looking at a boat in
the Long Island area if I recall. That part of the world, twins if
you are getting offshore a little ways.
With respect to costs, well two times everything in terms of
maintenance. I've got triple ETECS, three times everything in terms
of costs. Only makes sense.
Complexity? Not really - seperate engines are generally seperate
systems with the exception of the electrical stuff - that can get
complicated with more than one engine depending on how the boat is
wired, but usually seperate systems.
It's a trade off in a number of areas - safety, convienence,
speed/weight ratios, etc. One more of anything is going to cost you
additional money.
Triple eTecs...to assure one will be running when it is time to head for
port.
Yep.
Then again, I can afford to run mine more than 25 hours a summer and
not have to worry about paying my loan payment on a over priced 21'
center console with a bimini top.
A. I'm well over the 100 hour mark for this season.

B. Sorry, I don't "finance" boat purchases. My last Parker had no load,
and I used some of the proceeds from the sale of that one to pay cash
for the current Parker.

C. Speaking of overpriced center consoles, consider a 33-footer that
needs THREE 200+ outboards. It's too big to be a trailer boat, unless
you are crazy, and it sure as hell ain't a flats boat. For what you paid
for that gashog you could have bought a really nice diesel-powered boat.

D. A 21-footer is a near-perfect sized boat for Chesapeake Bay and its
environs, and also for my occasional trailer hauls down to Virginia Beach.

E. If your son the cop is driving that barge, you must be subsidizing
the gas... at cruise it has to be burning between 25 and 30 gallons an
hour... hehehe. Lunacy.

Well, fools and their money.

--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I have gone offshore in my Tolman with single 90 hp yammie but I also
have a 9.9 hp kicker pull start with separate fuel tank just in case.
The 9.9 can push the light Tolman up on a plane at 9 kts with 4 aboard
in calm water.

Harry is just too damned stupid and narcissistic to realize that not
everyone wants just what he has, and that because some people have the
money, and the desire to do things other than what Harry does, that
doesn't mean they are fools. One of my hobbies is brewing beer, for
instance. Harry doesn't have the smarts or the will to get off of his
fat ass to do so, so he makes fun of zymurgy.

"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 25, 11:55 am, H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:38:03 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:19:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
any idea of the cost of ownership of a single vs double engine boat?
total maintenance, gas consumption? benefits or penalties?
THanks all....
Good question. There are safety aspects to twin ownership - mainly
having a spare engine available in particular if you are planning on
running any distance off shore. I think you were looking at a boat in
the Long Island area if I recall. That part of the world, twins if
you are getting offshore a little ways.
With respect to costs, well two times everything in terms of
maintenance. I've got triple ETECS, three times everything in terms
of costs. Only makes sense.
Complexity? Not really - seperate engines are generally seperate
systems with the exception of the electrical stuff - that can get
complicated with more than one engine depending on how the boat is
wired, but usually seperate systems.
It's a trade off in a number of areas - safety, convienence,
speed/weight ratios, etc. One more of anything is going to cost you
additional money.
Triple eTecs...to assure one will be running when it is time to head
for
port.
Yep.
Then again, I can afford to run mine more than 25 hours a summer and
not have to worry about paying my loan payment on a over priced 21'
center console with a bimini top.
A. I'm well over the 100 hour mark for this season.

B. Sorry, I don't "finance" boat purchases. My last Parker had no load,
and I used some of the proceeds from the sale of that one to pay cash
for the current Parker.

C. Speaking of overpriced center consoles, consider a 33-footer that
needs THREE 200+ outboards. It's too big to be a trailer boat, unless
you are crazy, and it sure as hell ain't a flats boat. For what you paid
for that gashog you could have bought a really nice diesel-powered boat.

D. A 21-footer is a near-perfect sized boat for Chesapeake Bay and its
environs, and also for my occasional trailer hauls down to Virginia
Beach.

E. If your son the cop is driving that barge, you must be subsidizing
the gas... at cruise it has to be burning between 25 and 30 gallons an
hour... hehehe. Lunacy.

Well, fools and their money.

--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I have gone offshore in my Tolman with single 90 hp yammie but I also
have a 9.9 hp kicker pull start with separate fuel tank just in case.
The 9.9 can push the light Tolman up on a plane at 9 kts with 4 aboard
in calm water.

Harry is just too damned stupid and narcissistic to realize that not
everyone wants just what he has, and that because some people have the
money, and the desire to do things other than what Harry does, that
doesn't mean they are fools. One of my hobbies is brewing beer, for
instance. Harry doesn't have the smarts or the will to get off of his fat
ass to do so, so he makes fun of zymurgy.

Will Rogers never met Hairy.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 25, 11:55 am, H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:38:03 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:19:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
any idea of the cost of ownership of a single vs double engine boat?
total maintenance, gas consumption? benefits or penalties?
THanks all....
Good question. There are safety aspects to twin ownership - mainly
having a spare engine available in particular if you are planning on
running any distance off shore. I think you were looking at a boat in
the Long Island area if I recall. That part of the world, twins if
you are getting offshore a little ways.
With respect to costs, well two times everything in terms of
maintenance. I've got triple ETECS, three times everything in terms
of costs. Only makes sense.
Complexity? Not really - seperate engines are generally seperate
systems with the exception of the electrical stuff - that can get
complicated with more than one engine depending on how the boat is
wired, but usually seperate systems.
It's a trade off in a number of areas - safety, convienence,
speed/weight ratios, etc. One more of anything is going to cost you
additional money.
Triple eTecs...to assure one will be running when it is time to head for
port.
Yep.
Then again, I can afford to run mine more than 25 hours a summer and
not have to worry about paying my loan payment on a over priced 21'
center console with a bimini top.
A. I'm well over the 100 hour mark for this season.

B. Sorry, I don't "finance" boat purchases. My last Parker had no load,
and I used some of the proceeds from the sale of that one to pay cash
for the current Parker.

C. Speaking of overpriced center consoles, consider a 33-footer that
needs THREE 200+ outboards. It's too big to be a trailer boat, unless
you are crazy, and it sure as hell ain't a flats boat. For what you paid
for that gashog you could have bought a really nice diesel-powered boat.

D. A 21-footer is a near-perfect sized boat for Chesapeake Bay and its
environs, and also for my occasional trailer hauls down to Virginia Beach.

E. If your son the cop is driving that barge, you must be subsidizing
the gas... at cruise it has to be burning between 25 and 30 gallons an
hour... hehehe. Lunacy.

Well, fools and their money.

--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I have gone offshore in my Tolman with single 90 hp yammie but I also
have a 9.9 hp kicker pull start with separate fuel tank just in case.
The 9.9 can push the light Tolman up on a plane at 9 kts with 4 aboard
in calm water.


I can see the eastern and western shore of the bay from the middle of
the bay. If my single outboard craps out (unlikely, since it is a four
stroke yamaha, not an unreliable two stroke eTec from the engines
labeled EVINRUDE), I can get a tow from a passing boat or call SeaTow on
the cell or on one of my VHF radios, since I have a fixed VHF and a
portable.

I'm not knocking your having a backup motor. It's a good idea. Tom has
two 200+ backup motors...

I think I read somewhere SW Tom is in the running for Saudi Arabia's Man
of the Year. Makes me warm all over than 4000 Americans have died so Tom
can burn 25+ gallons an hour of gasoline refined from Saudi crude.

No wonder he doesn't believe in global warming, eh?

On Jul 25, 12:39*pm, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 25, 11:55 am, H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:38:03 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:19:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
any idea of the cost of ownership of a single vs double engine boat?
total maintenance, gas consumption? benefits or penalties?
THanks all....
Good question. There are safety aspects to twin ownership - mainly
having a spare engine available in particular if you are planning on
running any distance off shore. I think you were looking at a boat in
the Long Island area if I recall. *That part of the world, twins if
you are getting offshore a little ways.
With respect to costs, well two times everything in terms of
maintenance. *I've got triple ETECS, three times everything in terms
of costs. *Only makes sense.
Complexity? Not really - seperate engines are generally seperate
systems with the exception of the electrical stuff - that can get
complicated with more than one engine depending on how the boat is
wired, but usually seperate systems.
It's a trade off in a number of areas - safety, convienence,
speed/weight ratios, etc. *One more of anything is going to cost you
additional money.
Triple eTecs...to assure one will be running when it is time to head for
port.
Yep.
Then again, I can afford to run mine more than 25 hours a summer and
not have to worry about paying my loan payment on a over priced 21'
center console with a bimini top.
A. I'm well over the 100 hour mark for this season.

B. Sorry, I don't "finance" boat purchases. My last Parker had no load,
and I used some of the proceeds from the sale of that one to pay cash
for the current Parker.

C. Speaking of overpriced center consoles, consider a 33-footer that
needs THREE 200+ outboards. It's too big to be a trailer boat, unless
you are crazy, and it sure as hell ain't a flats boat. For what you paid
for that gashog you could have bought a really nice diesel-powered boat.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 25, 12:39 pm, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 25, 11:55 am, H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:38:03 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:19:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
any idea of the cost of ownership of a single vs double engine boat?
total maintenance, gas consumption? benefits or penalties?
THanks all....
Good question. There are safety aspects to twin ownership - mainly
having a spare engine available in particular if you are planning on
running any distance off shore. I think you were looking at a boat in
the Long Island area if I recall. That part of the world, twins if
you are getting offshore a little ways.
With respect to costs, well two times everything in terms of
maintenance. I've got triple ETECS, three times everything in terms
of costs. Only makes sense.
Complexity? Not really - seperate engines are generally seperate
systems with the exception of the electrical stuff - that can get
complicated with more than one engine depending on how the boat is
wired, but usually seperate systems.
It's a trade off in a number of areas - safety, convienence,
speed/weight ratios, etc. One more of anything is going to cost you
additional money.
Triple eTecs...to assure one will be running when it is time to head for
port.
Yep.
Then again, I can afford to run mine more than 25 hours a summer and
not have to worry about paying my loan payment on a over priced 21'
center console with a bimini top.
A. I'm well over the 100 hour mark for this season.
B. Sorry, I don't "finance" boat purchases. My last Parker had no load,
and I used some of the proceeds from the sale of that one to pay cash
for the current Parker.
C. Speaking of overpriced center consoles, consider a 33-footer that
needs THREE 200+ outboards. It's too big to be a trailer boat, unless
you are crazy, and it sure as hell ain't a flats boat. For what you paid
for that gashog you could have bought a really nice diesel-powered boat.
D. A 21-footer is a near-perfect sized boat for Chesapeake Bay and its
environs, and also for my occasional trailer hauls down to Virginia Beach.
E. If your son the cop is driving that barge, you must be subsidizing
the gas... at cruise it has to be burning between 25 and 30 gallons an
hour... hehehe. Lunacy.
Well, fools and their money.
--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.
I have gone offshore in my Tolman with single 90 hp yammie but I also
have a 9.9 hp kicker pull start with separate fuel tank just in case.
The 9.9 can push the light Tolman up on a plane at 9 kts with 4 aboard
in calm water.
I can see the eastern and western shore of the bay from the middle of
the bay. If my single outboard craps out (unlikely, since it is a four
stroke yamaha, not an unreliable two stroke eTec from the engines
labeled EVINRUDE), I can get a tow from a passing boat or call SeaTow on
the cell or on one of my VHF radios, since I have a fixed VHF and a
portable.

I'm not knocking your having a backup motor. It's a good idea. Tom has
two 200+ backup motors...

I think I read somewhere SW Tom is in the running for Saudi Arabia's Man
of the Year. Makes me warm all over than 4000 Americans have died so Tom
can burn 25+ gallons an hour of gasoline refined from Saudi crude.

No wonder he doesn't believe in global warming, eh?

Harry:
Since you dun boated in these parts, you will know that in the Big
Bend of the FL Gulf, if you can see land, you are about to hit
bottom. This means that most of my sailing and a lot of my going
anywhere in the Tolman is kinda far out. Fortunately, the only places
the primary 90 hp has quit has been upriver where ti got clogged with
weeds.



Miles offshore, if I recall. I use to fish once in a while with a fellow
in a Gainesville fishing club. Most of their salt water fishing was on
your side of florida.

There are parts of the bay here that are very shallow even a mile or two
offshore. Weird. You're way out there, relatively speaking, and you are
in two to three feet of water. Fortunately the bottom in most places is
sandy-muddy.

Lu Powell wrote:

"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 25, 11:55 am, H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:38:03 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:19:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h

wrote:
any idea of the cost of ownership of a single vs double engine
boat?
total maintenance, gas consumption? benefits or penalties?
THanks all....
Good question. There are safety aspects to twin ownership - mainly
having a spare engine available in particular if you are planning on
running any distance off shore. I think you were looking at a
boat in
the Long Island area if I recall. That part of the world, twins if
you are getting offshore a little ways.
With respect to costs, well two times everything in terms of
maintenance. I've got triple ETECS, three times everything in terms
of costs. Only makes sense.
Complexity? Not really - seperate engines are generally seperate
systems with the exception of the electrical stuff - that can get
complicated with more than one engine depending on how the boat is
wired, but usually seperate systems.
It's a trade off in a number of areas - safety, convienence,
speed/weight ratios, etc. One more of anything is going to cost you
additional money.
Triple eTecs...to assure one will be running when it is time to
head for
port.
Yep.
Then again, I can afford to run mine more than 25 hours a summer and
not have to worry about paying my loan payment on a over priced 21'
center console with a bimini top.
A. I'm well over the 100 hour mark for this season.

B. Sorry, I don't "finance" boat purchases. My last Parker had no load,
and I used some of the proceeds from the sale of that one to pay cash
for the current Parker.

C. Speaking of overpriced center consoles, consider a 33-footer that
needs THREE 200+ outboards. It's too big to be a trailer boat, unless
you are crazy, and it sure as hell ain't a flats boat. For what you
paid
for that gashog you could have bought a really nice diesel-powered
boat.

D. A 21-footer is a near-perfect sized boat for Chesapeake Bay and its
environs, and also for my occasional trailer hauls down to Virginia
Beach.

E. If your son the cop is driving that barge, you must be subsidizing
the gas... at cruise it has to be burning between 25 and 30 gallons an
hour... hehehe. Lunacy.

Well, fools and their money.

--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

I have gone offshore in my Tolman with single 90 hp yammie but I also
have a 9.9 hp kicker pull start with separate fuel tank just in case.
The 9.9 can push the light Tolman up on a plane at 9 kts with 4 aboard
in calm water.

Harry is just too damned stupid and narcissistic to realize that not
everyone wants just what he has, and that because some people have the
money, and the desire to do things other than what Harry does, that
doesn't mean they are fools. One of my hobbies is brewing beer, for
instance. Harry doesn't have the smarts or the will to get off of his
fat ass to do so, so he makes fun of zymurgy.

Will Rogers never met Hairy.


I don't make fun of skilled brewmasters or winemakers...but Loogy? One
can only imagine the **** he brews.

H the K wrote:


A. I'm well over the 100 hour mark for this season.

Harry,
Why do you step outside and snap a photo of the hour meter?

--
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"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Harry is just too damned stupid and narcissistic to realize that not
everyone wants just what he has, and that because some people have the
money, and the desire to do things other than what Harry does, that
doesn't mean they are fools. One of my hobbies is brewing beer, for
instance. Harry doesn't have the smarts or the will to get off of his fat
ass to do so, so he makes fun of zymurgy.


Bull*hit!
You cook up batches of 'shine' and grow that 'Georgia Special' crop out
back.

Don White wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Harry is just too damned stupid and narcissistic to realize that not
everyone wants just what he has, and that because some people have the
money, and the desire to do things other than what Harry does, that
doesn't mean they are fools. One of my hobbies is brewing beer, for
instance. Harry doesn't have the smarts or the will to get off of his fat
ass to do so, so he makes fun of zymurgy.


Bull*hit!
You cook up batches of 'shine' and grow that 'Georgia Special' crop out
back.




Unlike Loogy, I'm not what you would call a "drinker." A few beers, a
few "girlie drinks" (margaritas, for example) a year, and that's it for
me. I do make one hell of a homemade lemonade or limeade, though... :)

Can you imagine how awful anything Loogy brews up has to be, and how
dangerous it would be to drink it?

Blech.





--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.