H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

Ah... it sounded like you were complaining about the high cost of
insurance. But now I understand that you're both "retired", with your
wife choosing to work at a basic job where the insurance cost 25% of
her pay. Nothing wrong with that.

No, my wife is 17 years younger than me and will be working for a long
time yet, insurance or not. And she's the highest paid in her unit
except for the manager. The rest there can't afford the insurance, so
they go to the e-room for everything. That's the problem. The high
cost of health care/insurance. There ain't no free lunch except the
one those paying for health insurance are buying for the others.
Whether I complain about it or not, you may have noticed that others
are.

I agree that the people who choose to not insure, then use the
emergency room for free health care is a problem. However, if you're
rooting for national health care so your wife can quit work and I'll
have to pick up your health care tab... well, I have a problem with
that.

Tell me your problem with paying my SS and I'll shed a couple tears.
My problem isn't with paying, it's with a system that only *some* pay
into, and a system that locks people into jobs because health
insurance isn't universally available and portable. Stifles and puts
artificial constraints into movement in the job market, and gives
foreigners a competitive edge in trade.

--Vic
Part of our high costs are the E room. I had a toothache while in
Sorrento, Italy. A Saturday and no dentist working. I was told to
go to the local hospital and go to the "Pronto Soccorso" entrance.
Happens to be free to everyone, foreign, locals etc. Was like a walk
in doctors office. There were people there with hurting ankle, etc.
Had a Doctor, nurse & aid and clerk. No big tests, no major
equipment. If you needed more, they sent you to the hospital, where
I would have had to pay. Much cheaper setup than our E rooms and
Urgent Care clinics.

I guess if you could get it by the Doctopr/Nurse union the government
could cut a lot of this off at the pass by opening store front "Quack
in the box" operations in the places where poor people live. They
could staff it with military or ex-military medical people when they
stop the war. My niece was a navy Corpsman for 12 years. If she can
treat the aches and pains of a ship full of sailors or save a Marine
with a sucking chest wound, there is not much in the ghetto she can't
handle. Unfortunately they want her to go to another 4 year course
before she can give someone, stateside, a shot.


And I thought we were over "separate and unequal."

Is it equality of opportunity or equality of outcomes that drives you
Harry?

I wouldn't see a non-physician or nurse practitioner for a medical
issue. Why should a poor person? The nurses who draw my blood for tests
or give me a flu shot, et cetera, are college graduate nurses who have
passed board exams, are licensed, and required to continue their
educations during their professional life.

RN's are not required to have a college degree. Medical corpsman do not
have college degrees nor do Army medics. Most EMTs and Phlebotomists do
not have college degrees either. Why are you shunning highly trained,
certified and licensed working stiffs? Hell some of them are in unions.
Nice of you to screw over the union guys you elitist snob.

I have a sister who started out as an LPN, became an RN, received her
BSN and now is an NP.

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

Ah... it sounded like you were complaining about the high cost of
insurance. But now I understand that you're both "retired", with
your
wife choosing to work at a basic job where the insurance cost 25% of
her pay. Nothing wrong with that.

No, my wife is 17 years younger than me and will be working for a long
time yet, insurance or not. And she's the highest paid in her unit
except for the manager. The rest there can't afford the insurance, so
they go to the e-room for everything. That's the problem. The high
cost of health care/insurance. There ain't no free lunch except the
one those paying for health insurance are buying for the others.
Whether I complain about it or not, you may have noticed that others
are.

I agree that the people who choose to not insure, then use the
emergency room for free health care is a problem. However, if you're
rooting for national health care so your wife can quit work and I'll
have to pick up your health care tab... well, I have a problem with
that.

Tell me your problem with paying my SS and I'll shed a couple tears.
My problem isn't with paying, it's with a system that only *some* pay
into, and a system that locks people into jobs because health
insurance isn't universally available and portable. Stifles and puts
artificial constraints into movement in the job market, and gives
foreigners a competitive edge in trade.

--Vic
Part of our high costs are the E room. I had a toothache while in
Sorrento, Italy. A Saturday and no dentist working. I was told to
go to the local hospital and go to the "Pronto Soccorso" entrance.
Happens to be free to everyone, foreign, locals etc. Was like a
walk in doctors office. There were people there with hurting ankle,
etc. Had a Doctor, nurse & aid and clerk. No big tests, no major
equipment. If you needed more, they sent you to the hospital, where
I would have had to pay. Much cheaper setup than our E rooms and
Urgent Care clinics.

I guess if you could get it by the Doctopr/Nurse union the government
could cut a lot of this off at the pass by opening store front "Quack
in the box" operations in the places where poor people live. They
could staff it with military or ex-military medical people when they
stop the war. My niece was a navy Corpsman for 12 years. If she can
treat the aches and pains of a ship full of sailors or save a Marine
with a sucking chest wound, there is not much in the ghetto she can't
handle. Unfortunately they want her to go to another 4 year course
before she can give someone, stateside, a shot.


And I thought we were over "separate and unequal."

Is it equality of opportunity or equality of outcomes that drives you
Harry?

I wouldn't see a non-physician or nurse practitioner for a medical
issue. Why should a poor person? The nurses who draw my blood for
tests or give me a flu shot, et cetera, are college graduate nurses
who have passed board exams, are licensed, and required to continue
their educations during their professional life.

RN's are not required to have a college degree. Medical corpsman do not
have college degrees nor do Army medics. Most EMTs and Phlebotomists do
not have college degrees either. Why are you shunning highly trained,
certified and licensed working stiffs? Hell some of them are in unions.
Nice of you to screw over the union guys you elitist snob.

I have a sister who started out as an LPN, became an RN, received her
BSN and now is an NP.


I don't "shop" for nurses. The ones I encounter at my doctor's
officesare college grads who have passed exams and are licensed. That's
who the doctors at our PPO hire.

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack

wrote:

Ah... it sounded like you were complaining about the high cost of
insurance. But now I understand that you're both "retired", with
your
wife choosing to work at a basic job where the insurance cost 25% of
her pay. Nothing wrong with that.

No, my wife is 17 years younger than me and will be working for a
long
time yet, insurance or not. And she's the highest paid in her unit
except for the manager. The rest there can't afford the
insurance, so
they go to the e-room for everything. That's the problem. The high
cost of health care/insurance. There ain't no free lunch except the
one those paying for health insurance are buying for the others.
Whether I complain about it or not, you may have noticed that others
are.

I agree that the people who choose to not insure, then use the
emergency room for free health care is a problem. However, if
you're
rooting for national health care so your wife can quit work and I'll
have to pick up your health care tab... well, I have a problem with
that.

Tell me your problem with paying my SS and I'll shed a couple tears.
My problem isn't with paying, it's with a system that only *some* pay
into, and a system that locks people into jobs because health
insurance isn't universally available and portable. Stifles and puts
artificial constraints into movement in the job market, and gives
foreigners a competitive edge in trade.

--Vic
Part of our high costs are the E room. I had a toothache while in
Sorrento, Italy. A Saturday and no dentist working. I was told to
go to the local hospital and go to the "Pronto Soccorso" entrance.
Happens to be free to everyone, foreign, locals etc. Was like a
walk in doctors office. There were people there with hurting
ankle, etc. Had a Doctor, nurse & aid and clerk. No big tests, no
major equipment. If you needed more, they sent you to the
hospital, where I would have had to pay. Much cheaper setup than
our E rooms and Urgent Care clinics.

I guess if you could get it by the Doctopr/Nurse union the government
could cut a lot of this off at the pass by opening store front "Quack
in the box" operations in the places where poor people live. They
could staff it with military or ex-military medical people when they
stop the war. My niece was a navy Corpsman for 12 years. If she can
treat the aches and pains of a ship full of sailors or save a Marine
with a sucking chest wound, there is not much in the ghetto she can't
handle. Unfortunately they want her to go to another 4 year course
before she can give someone, stateside, a shot.


And I thought we were over "separate and unequal."

Is it equality of opportunity or equality of outcomes that drives you
Harry?

I wouldn't see a non-physician or nurse practitioner for a medical
issue. Why should a poor person? The nurses who draw my blood for
tests or give me a flu shot, et cetera, are college graduate nurses
who have passed board exams, are licensed, and required to continue
their educations during their professional life.

RN's are not required to have a college degree. Medical corpsman do
not have college degrees nor do Army medics. Most EMTs and
Phlebotomists do not have college degrees either. Why are you
shunning highly trained, certified and licensed working stiffs? Hell
some of them are in unions. Nice of you to screw over the union guys
you elitist snob.

I have a sister who started out as an LPN, became an RN, received her
BSN and now is an NP.


I don't "shop" for nurses. The ones I encounter at my doctor's
officesare college grads who have passed exams and are licensed. That's
who the doctors at our PPO hire.

Your doctors are not good businessmen.

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack

wrote:

Ah... it sounded like you were complaining about the high cost of
insurance. But now I understand that you're both "retired",
with your
wife choosing to work at a basic job where the insurance cost
25% of
her pay. Nothing wrong with that.

No, my wife is 17 years younger than me and will be working for a
long
time yet, insurance or not. And she's the highest paid in her unit
except for the manager. The rest there can't afford the
insurance, so
they go to the e-room for everything. That's the problem. The high
cost of health care/insurance. There ain't no free lunch except the
one those paying for health insurance are buying for the others.
Whether I complain about it or not, you may have noticed that others
are.

I agree that the people who choose to not insure, then use the
emergency room for free health care is a problem. However, if
you're
rooting for national health care so your wife can quit work and
I'll
have to pick up your health care tab... well, I have a problem with
that.

Tell me your problem with paying my SS and I'll shed a couple tears.
My problem isn't with paying, it's with a system that only *some*
pay
into, and a system that locks people into jobs because health
insurance isn't universally available and portable. Stifles and
puts
artificial constraints into movement in the job market, and gives
foreigners a competitive edge in trade.

--Vic
Part of our high costs are the E room. I had a toothache while in
Sorrento, Italy. A Saturday and no dentist working. I was told
to go to the local hospital and go to the "Pronto Soccorso"
entrance. Happens to be free to everyone, foreign, locals etc.
Was like a walk in doctors office. There were people there with
hurting ankle, etc. Had a Doctor, nurse & aid and clerk. No big
tests, no major equipment. If you needed more, they sent you to
the hospital, where I would have had to pay. Much cheaper setup
than our E rooms and Urgent Care clinics.

I guess if you could get it by the Doctopr/Nurse union the government
could cut a lot of this off at the pass by opening store front "Quack
in the box" operations in the places where poor people live. They
could staff it with military or ex-military medical people when they
stop the war. My niece was a navy Corpsman for 12 years. If she can
treat the aches and pains of a ship full of sailors or save a Marine
with a sucking chest wound, there is not much in the ghetto she can't
handle. Unfortunately they want her to go to another 4 year course
before she can give someone, stateside, a shot.


And I thought we were over "separate and unequal."

Is it equality of opportunity or equality of outcomes that drives you
Harry?

I wouldn't see a non-physician or nurse practitioner for a medical
issue. Why should a poor person? The nurses who draw my blood for
tests or give me a flu shot, et cetera, are college graduate nurses
who have passed board exams, are licensed, and required to continue
their educations during their professional life.

RN's are not required to have a college degree. Medical corpsman do
not have college degrees nor do Army medics. Most EMTs and
Phlebotomists do not have college degrees either. Why are you
shunning highly trained, certified and licensed working stiffs? Hell
some of them are in unions. Nice of you to screw over the union guys
you elitist snob.

I have a sister who started out as an LPN, became an RN, received her
BSN and now is an NP.


I don't "shop" for nurses. The ones I encounter at my doctor's
officesare college grads who have passed exams and are licensed.
That's who the doctors at our PPO hire.

Your doctors are not good businessmen.

Really? My guess is that every one of them makes a lot more than you do.

"H the K" wrote in message
m...


I don't "shop" for nurses. The ones I encounter at my doctor's officesare
college grads who have passed exams and are licensed. That's who the
doctors at our PPO hire.


Harry, we can only take you for your word, but your experience is very much
in the minority.
Almost elitist in a way.

In this dismal economy and rising unemployment, some of the few bright spots
for careers are in the fields of medical technicians, EMT's, nurses and
aids that do not require a college education. They require training and
certification of course, but they are fully qualified to perform many basic
procedures, leaving the RNs and Doctors free to deal with more important
activities.

With the shortage of RN's, we should be encouraging it.

Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
I don't "shop" for nurses. The ones I encounter at my doctor's officesare
college grads who have passed exams and are licensed. That's who the
doctors at our PPO hire.


Harry, we can only take you for your word,

LOL


--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
I don't "shop" for nurses. The ones I encounter at my doctor's officesare
college grads who have passed exams and are licensed. That's who the
doctors at our PPO hire.


Harry, we can only take you for your word, but your experience is very much
in the minority.
Almost elitist in a way.

In this dismal economy and rising unemployment, some of the few bright spots
for careers are in the fields of medical technicians, EMT's, nurses and
aids that do not require a college education. They require training and
certification of course, but they are fully qualified to perform many basic
procedures, leaving the RNs and Doctors free to deal with more important
activities.

With the shortage of RN's, we should be encouraging it.




It's elitist to "accept" the health care providers my doctor's office
provides to its patients. I'll have to tell my doctor that the next time
I see him...I'm sure he'll have a good laugh over it.

I don't select the staff there...the doctors who own the practice do.

"H the K" wrote in message
m...

It's elitist to "accept" the health care providers my doctor's office
provides to its patients. I'll have to tell my doctor that the next time I
see him...I'm sure he'll have a good laugh over it.

I don't select the staff there...the doctors who own the practice do.


When you were a kid did you also pedal your bicycle backwards?

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
It's elitist to "accept" the health care providers my doctor's office
provides to its patients. I'll have to tell my doctor that the next time I
see him...I'm sure he'll have a good laugh over it.

I don't select the staff there...the doctors who own the practice do.


When you were a kid did you also pedal your bicycle backwards?

Eisboch




Only when I shifted gears.

I'm sure my doc will get a kick out it when I tell him he has to hire
less qualified staff so the jackoffs on rec.boats will be happier with
the way he and his partners run their business.

"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
It's elitist to "accept" the health care providers my doctor's office
provides to its patients. I'll have to tell my doctor that the next time
I see him...I'm sure he'll have a good laugh over it.

I don't select the staff there...the doctors who own the practice do.


When you were a kid did you also pedal your bicycle backwards?

Eisboch


Only when I shifted gears.

I'm sure my doc will get a kick out it when I tell him he has to hire less
qualified staff so the jackoffs on rec.boats will be happier with the way
he and his partners run their business.

He can hire whoever he wants and you can brag about who you go to all you
want. Point is, it doesn't require a college education to walk to the
waiting room carrying a clipboard, call out "Harry Krause", lead you to a
scale, weigh you, take you to an examination room, take and record your
blood pressure, then say, "the doctor will be with you shortly".

Eisboch