On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:59:18 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:40:49 -0700, Jack wrote:


Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.

Yeah, but ... tying health care to business is the wrong approach, IMO.
Besides the anti-competitive costs to business in the world market, if
you get sick with a long-term illness, you are SOL. A dirty little
secret, most employee health insurance policies end when you aren't
collecting a pay check. Try paying for CORBA with just a disability
check, if you even get a disability check.

This is usually the point when the insurance carrier declairs that it was
a pre-existing condition and refuse to pay anything.

Been there for that approach.

RLM wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:59:18 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:40:49 -0700, Jack wrote:


Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.
Yeah, but ... tying health care to business is the wrong approach, IMO.
Besides the anti-competitive costs to business in the world market, if
you get sick with a long-term illness, you are SOL. A dirty little
secret, most employee health insurance policies end when you aren't
collecting a pay check. Try paying for CORBA with just a disability
check, if you even get a disability check.

This is usually the point when the insurance carrier declairs that it was
a pre-existing condition and refuse to pay anything.

Been there for that approach.



There are lots of dirty little secrets in connection with our current
health care insurance fiasco, and some of them are not so little and not
so secretive. There are all sorts of horror stories, for example,
relating to denials of needed service, making patients and their
providers jump through hoops, reimbursement horrors, et cetera.

It's sort of humorous that those who oppose the modernizations being
discussed think everything will get "worse" when the government steps
in. I suspect the percentage of those satisfied with the way social
security and medicare are run is higher than those who are satisified
with the way medical insurance is run.

H the K wrote:
RLM wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:59:18 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:40:49 -0700, Jack wrote:


Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.
Yeah, but ... tying health care to business is the wrong approach,
IMO. Besides the anti-competitive costs to business in the world
market, if you get sick with a long-term illness, you are SOL. A
dirty little secret, most employee health insurance policies end when
you aren't collecting a pay check. Try paying for CORBA with just a
disability check, if you even get a disability check.

This is usually the point when the insurance carrier declairs that it was
a pre-existing condition and refuse to pay anything.
Been there for that approach.



There are lots of dirty little secrets in connection with our current
health care insurance fiasco, and some of them are not so little and not
so secretive. There are all sorts of horror stories, for example,
relating to denials of needed service, making patients and their
providers jump through hoops, reimbursement horrors, et cetera.

It's sort of humorous that those who oppose the modernizations being
discussed think everything will get "worse" when the government steps
in. I suspect the percentage of those satisfied with the way social
security and medicare are run is higher than those who are satisified
with the way medical insurance is run.

The problem most of us have is the falsehood that you push that
providing everyone with government funded health insurance will solve
the problem of access to health care. There is no access to health care
problem. The problem is that people are not paying for the health care
they are receiving and the costs are being passed onto those who are
paying via their health insurance.

When you go to a restaurant and sit down and eat a meal and get up and
walk out without paying for it you are stealing. But, when you go to the
hospital emergency room and receive medical care and leave without
paying for it nobody says anything. Both are examples of stealing.

BAR wrote:



There is no access to health care
problem.


We've been hearing that b.s. from conservatives for decades. It wasn't
true then and it isn't true today.

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:



There is no access to health care
problem.


We've been hearing that b.s. from conservatives for decades. It wasn't
true then and it isn't true today.

Provide examples of the problem you allege people have accessing health
care in the USA?

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:



There is no access to health care
problem.


We've been hearing that b.s. from conservatives for decades. It wasn't
true then and it isn't true today.

Provide examples of the problem you allege people have accessing health
care in the USA?


Oh, please. Do some reading on other than reich-wing sites. Why do you
righties always try to insist that everyone else do your homework for you?

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:



There is no access to health care
problem.


We've been hearing that b.s. from conservatives for decades. It
wasn't true then and it isn't true today.

Provide examples of the problem you allege people have accessing
health care in the USA?


Oh, please. Do some reading on other than reich-wing sites. Why do you
righties always try to insist that everyone else do your homework for you?

Talking out of your ass again Harry. You can't support your assertions
again.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:00 -0400, BAR wrote:


The problem most of us have is the falsehood that you push that
providing everyone with government funded health insurance will solve
the problem of access to health care. There is no access to health care
problem. The problem is that people are not paying for the health care
they are receiving and the costs are being passed onto those who are
paying via their health insurance.

It can be argued that those very same health insurance plans aren't
paying their fair share. You do know that health insurance plans get a
*very* discounted rate, don't you? There is also a new trick many are
using. If the hospital is in the network, they pay the pre-negotiated
discounted rate, but here's the trick. When the hospital is not in the
network, many insurance plans still will only pay the discounted rates.
That also leaves the health care professionals SOL.

Add to that, if you don't have insurance, you pay through the nose, far
above normal rates.

When you go to a restaurant and sit down and eat a meal and get up and
walk out without paying for it you are stealing. But, when you go to the
hospital emergency room and receive medical care and leave without
paying for it nobody says anything. Both are examples of stealing.

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:00 -0400, BAR wrote:


The problem most of us have is the falsehood that you push that
providing everyone with government funded health insurance will solve
the problem of access to health care. There is no access to health care
problem. The problem is that people are not paying for the health care
they are receiving and the costs are being passed onto those who are
paying via their health insurance.

It can be argued that those very same health insurance plans aren't
paying their fair share. You do know that health insurance plans get a
*very* discounted rate, don't you? There is also a new trick many are
using. If the hospital is in the network, they pay the pre-negotiated
discounted rate, but here's the trick. When the hospital is not in the
network, many insurance plans still will only pay the discounted rates.
That also leaves the health care professionals SOL.

Get everyone who uses the hospital to pay for the services they use.

Add to that, if you don't have insurance, you pay through the nose, far
above normal rates.

I thought they weren't allowed to deny you care if you couldn't or
wouldn't pay for it.

When you go to a restaurant and sit down and eat a meal and get up and
walk out without paying for it you are stealing. But, when you go to the
hospital emergency room and receive medical care and leave without
paying for it nobody says anything. Both are examples of stealing.

"BAR" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:00 -0400, BAR wrote:


The problem most of us have is the falsehood that you push that
providing everyone with government funded health insurance will solve
the problem of access to health care. There is no access to health care
problem. The problem is that people are not paying for the health care
they are receiving and the costs are being passed onto those who are
paying via their health insurance.

It can be argued that those very same health insurance plans aren't
paying their fair share. You do know that health insurance plans get a
*very* discounted rate, don't you? There is also a new trick many are
using. If the hospital is in the network, they pay the pre-negotiated
discounted rate, but here's the trick. When the hospital is not in the
network, many insurance plans still will only pay the discounted rates.
That also leaves the health care professionals SOL.

Get everyone who uses the hospital to pay for the services they use.

Add to that, if you don't have insurance, you pay through the nose, far
above normal rates.

I thought they weren't allowed to deny you care if you couldn't or
wouldn't pay for it.

When you go to a restaurant and sit down and eat a meal and get up and
walk out without paying for it you are stealing. But, when you go to the
hospital emergency room and receive medical care and leave without
paying for it nobody says anything. Both are examples of stealing.


Easy cure would be make it the law, that if you pay cash, you get the best
insurance pay rate plus maybe 10%. When I see the negotiated charges, the
under insured or those without insurance and have assets, they are getting
ripped of.