"H the K" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
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Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT


• America has a health care crisis.

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America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

Eisboch


Spoken like a "true Republican have."
"I've got mine, screw the poor, eh?"


You missed the point entirely, Harry.
Nobody is talking about "screwing the poor".
Those that can't afford health insurance are the reason we *have* a crisis.

Health care isn't the problem. Affording it is the problem.

Man, you are so programmed into your way of thinking that you jump to
typical and immediate conclusions.

Eisboch

"H the K" wrote in message
news

Eisboch wrote:

America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

Eisboch


Spoken like a "true Republican have."
"I've got mine, screw the poor, eh?"




I'll give you a personal example of what I am talking about Harry.

I have a nephew who simply can't hold a job. It's not that he's not
capable of doing so.
He just can't tolerate working for anybody. He one of those people who,
after two weeks on a job, thinks he's smarter than anyone else in the
company. He has made his way through life doing all kinds of
"self-employed" type work .... flipping cars, building decks on houses, etc.
He's not lazy ... he just can't work for anyone but himself.

After he got married and had a couple of kids, he started to realize that he
should have some form of health insurance to cover his growing family. He
tried again getting a "real" job with benefits, but as before, it didn't
last. I got involved in a discussion with him and made the point that he
may have to change his arrogant attitude in the best interests of his
family. Sometimes you have to do things in life that you don't want to do
because you have responsibilites to others in addition to your own, was my
pitch.

Well, he tried again and again gave up and went back to his screwball way of
making a living.
No health insurance. Can't afford it.

Recently his young daughter developed a potentially serious medical problem.
She ended up at the Children's Hospital in Boston and received excellent
care. She now has surgery scheduled to correct the medical condition.

He laughs at me and my lectures now. All the costs are covered by someone
else.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

Eisboch

Spoken like a "true Republican have."
"I've got mine, screw the poor, eh?"



I'll give you a personal example of what I am talking about Harry.

I have a nephew who simply can't hold a job. It's not that he's not
capable of doing so.
He just can't tolerate working for anybody. He one of those people who,
after two weeks on a job, thinks he's smarter than anyone else in the
company. He has made his way through life doing all kinds of
"self-employed" type work .... flipping cars, building decks on houses, etc.
He's not lazy ... he just can't work for anyone but himself.

After he got married and had a couple of kids, he started to realize that he
should have some form of health insurance to cover his growing family. He
tried again getting a "real" job with benefits, but as before, it didn't
last. I got involved in a discussion with him and made the point that he
may have to change his arrogant attitude in the best interests of his
family. Sometimes you have to do things in life that you don't want to do
because you have responsibilites to others in addition to your own, was my
pitch.

Well, he tried again and again gave up and went back to his screwball way of
making a living.
No health insurance. Can't afford it.

Recently his young daughter developed a potentially serious medical problem.
She ended up at the Children's Hospital in Boston and received excellent
care. She now has surgery scheduled to correct the medical condition.

He laughs at me and my lectures now. All the costs are covered by someone
else.

Eisboch



For everyone like your nephew's kid, there are 10 more kids who don't
get any medical attention, or the wrong sort of medical attention or the
cheapest of "patches" medical attention, or medical attention long after
whatever problem there is has escalated into something a lot more serious.

Virtually every other modern western nation has proper medical
insurance/coverage as a basic right. We are about the only country which
does not.

Why not? Because the medical insurance companies/drug
companies/hospitals don't want it...it's socialism, it interferes with
profit, it forces economies, it changes things.

I just love the TV ads in which that crook who used to run HCA whines
about the possibility of "government bureaucrats" making health
decisions...as opposed to "insurance company bureaucrats" making health
decisions?

"H the K" wrote in message
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For everyone like your nephew's kid, there are 10 more kids who don't get
any medical attention, or the wrong sort of medical attention or the
cheapest of "patches" medical attention, or medical attention long after
whatever problem there is has escalated into something a lot more serious.


That's because health care and insurance has become unaffordable for many.
Make it more affordable for those that can work.

How?

By relieving those who pay for health insurance the costs of development of
new equipment, procedures and drugs. *That* should be the role of the
government. If we can bail out wall street corporations, we can subsidize
some of the medical industry.

Users of the health care system should pay for services rendered and not the
development costs of those systems. Make the use cost affordable, not free.
Of course those who cannot work to pay for their medical service needs
should be cared for by us, but not those who can pay, but don't or won't.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
For everyone like your nephew's kid, there are 10 more kids who don't get
any medical attention, or the wrong sort of medical attention or the
cheapest of "patches" medical attention, or medical attention long after
whatever problem there is has escalated into something a lot more serious.


That's because health care and insurance has become unaffordable for many.
Make it more affordable for those that can work.

How?

By relieving those who pay for health insurance the costs of development of
new equipment, procedures and drugs. *That* should be the role of the
government. If we can bail out wall street corporations, we can subsidize
some of the medical industry.

Users of the health care system should pay for services rendered and not the
development costs of those systems. Make the use cost affordable, not free.
Of course those who cannot work to pay for their medical service needs
should be cared for by us, but not those who can pay, but don't or won't.

Eisboch

Eisboch,
I hope you realize you are talking to a brick wall.



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"Just Regigie" wrote in message
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Eisboch,
I hope you realize you are talking to a brick wall.




I know. Everything should be free.
I'll never understand, I guess.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Just Regigie" wrote in message
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Eisboch,
I hope you realize you are talking to a brick wall.




I know. Everything should be free.
I'll never understand, I guess.

Eisboch




I'm not advocating "free" anything. Where do you get these ideas?

Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
For everyone like your nephew's kid, there are 10 more kids who don't get
any medical attention, or the wrong sort of medical attention or the
cheapest of "patches" medical attention, or medical attention long after
whatever problem there is has escalated into something a lot more serious.


That's because health care and insurance has become unaffordable for many.
Make it more affordable for those that can work.

How?

By relieving those who pay for health insurance the costs of development of
new equipment, procedures and drugs. *That* should be the role of the
government. If we can bail out wall street corporations, we can subsidize
some of the medical industry.

Users of the health care system should pay for services rendered and not the
development costs of those systems. Make the use cost affordable, not free.
Of course those who cannot work to pay for their medical service needs
should be cared for by us, but not those who can pay, but don't or won't.

Eisboch




Sounds like more tax breaks for corporations to me. No thanks.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 07:40:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"H the K" wrote in message
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For everyone like your nephew's kid, there are 10 more kids who don't get
any medical attention, or the wrong sort of medical attention or the
cheapest of "patches" medical attention, or medical attention long after
whatever problem there is has escalated into something a lot more serious.


That's because health care and insurance has become unaffordable for many.
Make it more affordable for those that can work.

How?

By relieving those who pay for health insurance the costs of development of
new equipment, procedures and drugs. *That* should be the role of the
government. If we can bail out wall street corporations, we can subsidize
some of the medical industry.

Users of the health care system should pay for services rendered and not the
development costs of those systems. Make the use cost affordable, not free.
Of course those who cannot work to pay for their medical service needs
should be cared for by us, but not those who can pay, but don't or won't.

Now there's a good point and one that should be taken into account.

And there's an additional issue - Americans are actually paying for
costs of other nations for drug treatments. Did you know that I can
get Retuxin in France, paying for it myself, for about 1/4 the cost of
obtaining the same treatment in the US? In Germany, if I paid for it
myself, it's about 1/3 the cost. Same in Spain.

It's almost worth flying to France every couple of months to get it.

The only drawback is that it's France. :)

I do like Spain though.

But I don't speak Spanish.

And I don't like German food.

"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 07:40:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"H the K" wrote in message
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For everyone like your nephew's kid, there are 10 more kids who don't
get
any medical attention, or the wrong sort of medical attention or the
cheapest of "patches" medical attention, or medical attention long after
whatever problem there is has escalated into something a lot more
serious.


That's because health care and insurance has become unaffordable for many.
Make it more affordable for those that can work.

How?

By relieving those who pay for health insurance the costs of development
of
new equipment, procedures and drugs. *That* should be the role of the
government. If we can bail out wall street corporations, we can
subsidize
some of the medical industry.

Users of the health care system should pay for services rendered and not
the
development costs of those systems. Make the use cost affordable, not
free.
Of course those who cannot work to pay for their medical service needs
should be cared for by us, but not those who can pay, but don't or won't.

Now there's a good point and one that should be taken into account.

And there's an additional issue - Americans are actually paying for
costs of other nations for drug treatments. Did you know that I can
get Retuxin in France, paying for it myself, for about 1/4 the cost of
obtaining the same treatment in the US? In Germany, if I paid for it
myself, it's about 1/3 the cost. Same in Spain.

It's almost worth flying to France every couple of months to get it.

The only drawback is that it's France. :)

I do like Spain though.

But I don't speak Spanish.

And I don't like German food.

Rosetta Stone is about $250 to teach you Spanish.