On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:20:00 -0400, HK wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots

Ah. now I see where the problem lies. ;-) Specter was never a favorite
of mine. IMO, he's always come across as a pompous, self-righteous ass,
but he is popular in Pennsylvania.

Specter didn't jump ship. He was driven out of the party. That there is
no room in the modern day Republican Party for a 5 time elected Senator
should be troubling for all Republicans. In a democracy, he who has the
most votes wins. You don't get the most votes by driving them into the
other parties hands.

I've been reading a little online about the feeding frenzy developing
around Lindsey Graham. Graham stated that the Republican Party should be
more open to moderate Republicans. He's now the target of some quite
vile characterizations. It's quite sad. Graham is quite a bit too
conservative for my tastes, but he is one of the more competent Senators
on that side of the aisle. I could see him making a strong run for the
Presidency. Unfortunately, I don't see the Republican Party surviving.


What the GOP is doing now reminds me of Mao's Cultural Revolution in
China, devised to "purge" the country and the party of those whose
thoughts were not steeped in doctrine. The difference, of course, is
that the Republicans are out of power and all they are doing is
diminishing their numbers.

Yes. Also reminds me of something else. This is the 20th anniversary
of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
I recall sitting in the corporate lunch room about a week before that
with a high level systems analyst.
An epitome of "logic."
I mentioned how nice it was that The Wall was coming down. Communism
had failed. The Cold War was over.
I thought anybody with sense knew that.
He pooh-poohed me. It was impossible the Wall would come down.
Of course his ideology needed that wall.
Most of the Republicans left are those who don't see that the
Republican Wall has collapsed.
But as it was in 1989, it's the end of an era.
It's hard to predict if they can rebuild a better wall.
Won't take much if the Dems screw up though, and I don't see any sense
in their economic policy for the long-term.

Well, so long as the GOP insists on moving further to the right, my only
wish for the party is further humiliation.

They aren't humiliated. Paranoids don't get humiliated.
We need at least 2 parties. None will succeed until they address jobs
and balance of trade.
Did you hear the uproar about the "buy America" language in the
stimulus package?
From the right and the left. They had to take it out.
Balance that against the Dems saying that jobs will be created by
manufacturing wind turbines and solar cells.
Sorry, the Chinese can manufacture them cheaper.
That basic conflict has to be addressed.
This economy will continue to slide downhill unless protectionist
manufacturing policies are put in place, or until U.S. wages are close
to matching Chinese wages.
BTW, that "card check" no secret ballot BS won't fly.
Legislation addressing methods of holding a fair vote for union
representation through secret ballot might be tried.
That BS about the secret vote not being compromised shows
who is honest in their thinking and who isn't.
Luckily there are plenty of Dems in the Senate who won't buy that.

--Vic

On Apr 29, 9:04*am, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:20:00 -0400, HK wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, Eisboch wrote:

Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots

Ah. now I see where the problem lies. ;-) *Specter was never a favorite
of mine. *IMO, he's always come across as a pompous, self-righteous ass,
but he is popular in Pennsylvania. *

Specter didn't jump ship. *He was driven out of the party. That there is
no room in the modern day Republican Party for a 5 time elected Senator
should be troubling for all Republicans. *In a democracy, he who has the
most votes wins. *You don't get the most votes by driving them into the
other parties hands. *

I've been reading a little online about the feeding frenzy developing
around Lindsey Graham. *Graham stated that the Republican Party should be
more open to moderate Republicans. *He's now the target of some quite
vile characterizations. *It's quite sad. *Graham is quite a bit too
conservative for my tastes, but he is one of the more competent Senators
on that side of the aisle. *I could see him making a strong run for the
Presidency. *Unfortunately, I don't see the Republican Party surviving.

What the GOP is doing now reminds me of Mao's Cultural Revolution in
China, devised to "purge" the country and the party of those whose
thoughts were not steeped in doctrine. The difference, of course, is
that the Republicans are out of power and all they are doing is
diminishing their numbers.

Yes. *Also reminds me of something else. *This is the 20th anniversary
of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
I recall sitting in the corporate lunch room about a week before that
with a high level systems analyst.
An epitome of "logic."
I mentioned how nice it was that The Wall was coming down. *Communism
had failed. *The Cold War was over.
I thought anybody with sense knew that.
He pooh-poohed me. *It was impossible the Wall would come down.
Of course his ideology needed that wall.
Most of the Republicans left are those who don't see that the
Republican Wall has collapsed.

This line of thought is intellectually dishonest to say the least. It
suggests that there are not many left when in fact, half of the
country is still republican. Remember, Obama only won by a point or
two... Just about the amount of votes criminal fraud organizations
such as ACORN manufactured...

But as it was in 1989, it's the end of an era.
It's hard to predict if they can rebuild a better wall.
Won't take much if the Dems screw up though, and I don't see any sense
in their economic policy for the long-term.

Well, so long as the GOP insists on moving further to the right, my only
wish for the party is further humiliation.

They aren't humiliated. *Paranoids don't get humiliated.
We need at least 2 parties. *None will succeed until they address jobs
and balance of trade.
Did you hear the uproar about the "buy America" language in the
stimulus package?
From the right and the left. *They had to take it out.
Balance that against the Dems saying that jobs will be created by
manufacturing wind turbines and solar cells.
Sorry, the Chinese can manufacture them cheaper. *
That basic conflict has to be addressed.
This economy will continue to slide downhill unless protectionist
manufacturing policies are put in place, or until U.S. wages are close
to matching Chinese wages.
BTW, that "card check" no secret ballot BS won't fly.
Legislation addressing methods of holding a fair vote for union
representation through secret ballot might be tried.
That BS about the secret vote not being compromised shows
who is honest in their thinking and who isn't.
Luckily there are plenty of Dems in the Senate who won't buy that.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


Yes. Â*Also reminds me of something else. Â*This is the 20th anniversary
of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
I recall sitting in the corporate lunch room about a week before that
with a high level systems analyst.
An epitome of "logic."
I mentioned how nice it was that The Wall was coming down. Â*Communism
had failed. Â*The Cold War was over.
I thought anybody with sense knew that.
He pooh-poohed me. Â*It was impossible the Wall would come down.
Of course his ideology needed that wall.
Most of the Republicans left are those who don't see that the
Republican Wall has collapsed.

This line of thought is intellectually dishonest to say the least. It
suggests that there are not many left when in fact, half of the
country is still republican. Remember, Obama only won by a point or
two... Just about the amount of votes criminal fraud organizations
such as ACORN manufactured...

Though I mentioned a U.S. ideologue, when the Wall fell there were
plenty of commies left in the USSR.
They were confused, disheartened, and paranoid.
Same with the Reps here.
That's the problem with ideologues, left and right.
They just can't see the writing on the Wall.
Same thing happened to the Dems, allowing Reagan.
Since the Wall fell, the idealogues most dangerous to America are the
globalists.
Wall Street and the Open Borders crowds.
They come dressed as both Dems and Reps.
I despise them.
People who follow party lines without thinking about what's best for
America are just tools.
Obama shows promise when he talks about America being the leader in
industry, education, and law.
He's specifically addressed the need to keep jobs here.
He's got some similarities with Pat Buchanan, strange as it seems.
But he's maybe half the partisan and twice as smart.
We'll see what happens as the unemployment rate continues to rise.
Like every President, he'll be measured on how he strengthens America.
The strength of America is the Constitution, family and jobs.
Pick any three.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Yes. Also reminds me of something else. This is the 20th anniversary
of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
I recall sitting in the corporate lunch room about a week before that
with a high level systems analyst.
An epitome of "logic."
I mentioned how nice it was that The Wall was coming down. Communism
had failed. The Cold War was over.
I thought anybody with sense knew that.
He pooh-poohed me. It was impossible the Wall would come down.
Of course his ideology needed that wall.
Most of the Republicans left are those who don't see that the
Republican Wall has collapsed.
This line of thought is intellectually dishonest to say the least. It
suggests that there are not many left when in fact, half of the
country is still republican. Remember, Obama only won by a point or
two... Just about the amount of votes criminal fraud organizations
such as ACORN manufactured...

Though I mentioned a U.S. ideologue, when the Wall fell there were
plenty of commies left in the USSR.
They were confused, disheartened, and paranoid.
Same with the Reps here.
That's the problem with ideologues, left and right.
They just can't see the writing on the Wall.
Same thing happened to the Dems, allowing Reagan.
Since the Wall fell, the idealogues most dangerous to America are the
globalists.
Wall Street and the Open Borders crowds.
They come dressed as both Dems and Reps.
I despise them.
People who follow party lines without thinking about what's best for
America are just tools.
Obama shows promise when he talks about America being the leader in
industry, education, and law.
He's specifically addressed the need to keep jobs here.
He's got some similarities with Pat Buchanan, strange as it seems.
But he's maybe half the partisan and twice as smart.
We'll see what happens as the unemployment rate continues to rise.
Like every President, he'll be measured on how he strengthens America.
The strength of America is the Constitution, family and jobs.
Pick any three.

--Vic


As a liberal Democrat, I have absolutely no problem with a closed
southern border. I also do not see the need for continuation of the H-1B
visa program or the continuation of any sort of tax credits for any
company exporting manufacturing, technological or service jobs to
countries with significantly lower labor costs.

Oh. "Half" the country is not Republican, and Obama won by six or seven
points, if memory serves. As usual, JustHate has it all wrong.