"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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You are incredibly naive. Specter is being welcomed with open arms by
the highest ranking leaders of the Democratic Party. He is being given
seniority based upon his entree date to the U.S. Senate. Every major
Democrat will raise money for him and campaign on his behalf.. The only
way he will not be the Democratic nominee in 2010 is if his cancer or
death keeps him out of it. He is 79, after all.



That's the "official" party line.

The reality is that many politicians, both Republicans and Democrats
think he is a weasel.
Not my opinion. Watch any of the interviews conducted right after his
announcement.
He's taking care of him and his position and used this opportunity to
negotiate himself a nice, secure position, seniority and guarantied
re-election.

The Swine Flew.

Eisboch


You mean, Specter is just like every other pol?
Horrors.

At least through his actions, the ultracon crazies running the GOP are
stymied for a while.


"EVERY other pol". Interesting.

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:20:00 -0400, HK wrote:


What the GOP is doing now reminds me of Mao's Cultural Revolution in
China, devised to "purge" the country and the party of those whose
thoughts were not steeped in doctrine. The difference, of course, is
that the Republicans are out of power and all they are doing is
diminishing their numbers.

Purge is a good name for it. The few moderates left make easy targets
for the "true believers", but when the politically conservatives and the
religious conservatives that define the Republican base start targeting
each other, it's going to get truly ugly. I don't get it. To me, it's
guaranteed self-destruct.


I'm not even sure what a "political conservative" is anymore. Most
Republican federal officeholders "talk the talk" about being
conservative, but they don't seem to be able to walk the walk, or even
outline or flesh out any sort of plan for this country to move
forward...well, other than blowing more money on the military or cutting
taxes for the wealthy or weakening already weak regulations.

Personally, I'd love to see a shootout with real weapons between the
so-called political conservatives and the religious conservatives. I
don't care what the latter do in their churches, but when they try to
force their superstitions and backwardness on the general public, I
resent it.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:41:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


They'll eventually get their act together and reform the GOP. Old ideas
die slowly.
We need a strong, healthy two party system to protect from extremism in
either direction.

I agree with needing a strong, healthy two party system, and we will have
it, but I seriously don't think it's going to be the GOP. The infighting
is getting quite vicious, and may cause wounds to deep to heal. The
chances of a party split are just as likely as reforming, IMO.

Oh, what the hell,

"I hereby announce my canda ...... no..... what ...... am I nuts?


Eisboch

That's another part, who in their right mind would want to run for office
these days? That's rhetorical. ;-) Just look at Washington, and you know
no one in their right mind runs for office. ;-(

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:20:00 -0400, HK wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots

Ah. now I see where the problem lies. ;-) Specter was never a favorite
of mine. IMO, he's always come across as a pompous, self-righteous ass,
but he is popular in Pennsylvania.

Specter didn't jump ship. He was driven out of the party. That there is
no room in the modern day Republican Party for a 5 time elected Senator
should be troubling for all Republicans. In a democracy, he who has the
most votes wins. You don't get the most votes by driving them into the
other parties hands.

I've been reading a little online about the feeding frenzy developing
around Lindsey Graham. Graham stated that the Republican Party should be
more open to moderate Republicans. He's now the target of some quite
vile characterizations. It's quite sad. Graham is quite a bit too
conservative for my tastes, but he is one of the more competent Senators
on that side of the aisle. I could see him making a strong run for the
Presidency. Unfortunately, I don't see the Republican Party surviving.


What the GOP is doing now reminds me of Mao's Cultural Revolution in
China, devised to "purge" the country and the party of those whose
thoughts were not steeped in doctrine. The difference, of course, is
that the Republicans are out of power and all they are doing is
diminishing their numbers.

Yes. Also reminds me of something else. This is the 20th anniversary
of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
I recall sitting in the corporate lunch room about a week before that
with a high level systems analyst.
An epitome of "logic."
I mentioned how nice it was that The Wall was coming down. Communism
had failed. The Cold War was over.
I thought anybody with sense knew that.
He pooh-poohed me. It was impossible the Wall would come down.
Of course his ideology needed that wall.
Most of the Republicans left are those who don't see that the
Republican Wall has collapsed.
But as it was in 1989, it's the end of an era.
It's hard to predict if they can rebuild a better wall.
Won't take much if the Dems screw up though, and I don't see any sense
in their economic policy for the long-term.

Well, so long as the GOP insists on moving further to the right, my only
wish for the party is further humiliation.

They aren't humiliated. Paranoids don't get humiliated.
We need at least 2 parties. None will succeed until they address jobs
and balance of trade.
Did you hear the uproar about the "buy America" language in the
stimulus package?
From the right and the left. They had to take it out.
Balance that against the Dems saying that jobs will be created by
manufacturing wind turbines and solar cells.
Sorry, the Chinese can manufacture them cheaper.
That basic conflict has to be addressed.
This economy will continue to slide downhill unless protectionist
manufacturing policies are put in place, or until U.S. wages are close
to matching Chinese wages.
BTW, that "card check" no secret ballot BS won't fly.
Legislation addressing methods of holding a fair vote for union
representation through secret ballot might be tried.
That BS about the secret vote not being compromised shows
who is honest in their thinking and who isn't.
Luckily there are plenty of Dems in the Senate who won't buy that.

--Vic

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:59 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:03:28 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote:
As opposed to a criminal congress bought and paid for by big
corporations like GE and lazy union bitches... I guess your ideal
government is one that doesn't reach across the isle, do business in
the open, or allow free speech... America as we know it is ****ed.
Time to stock up on ammo...
What are you going to do with the ammo? If you fill out the federal
form
honestly, you won't be able to buy a handgun.
This is just the sort of imbalanced jerk that psychological tests for
gun ownership should ferret out as a threat to himself and others.

my hometown is pittsburgh. having seen what the gun crowd did to
police officers there recently, i'm even more inclined to advocate
repeal of the 2nd amendment. the more i see about gun nuts, the more i
know the 2nd is dangerous for freedom.

Whom do you blame for embezzlement? The money crowd?


No embezzler in history stole more than the bankers and wall streeters.

They couldn't have done it without the help and support of the f----d up
federal government.

On Apr 29, 9:04*am, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:20:00 -0400, HK wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, Eisboch wrote:

Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots

Ah. now I see where the problem lies. ;-) *Specter was never a favorite
of mine. *IMO, he's always come across as a pompous, self-righteous ass,
but he is popular in Pennsylvania. *

Specter didn't jump ship. *He was driven out of the party. That there is
no room in the modern day Republican Party for a 5 time elected Senator
should be troubling for all Republicans. *In a democracy, he who has the
most votes wins. *You don't get the most votes by driving them into the
other parties hands. *

I've been reading a little online about the feeding frenzy developing
around Lindsey Graham. *Graham stated that the Republican Party should be
more open to moderate Republicans. *He's now the target of some quite
vile characterizations. *It's quite sad. *Graham is quite a bit too
conservative for my tastes, but he is one of the more competent Senators
on that side of the aisle. *I could see him making a strong run for the
Presidency. *Unfortunately, I don't see the Republican Party surviving.

What the GOP is doing now reminds me of Mao's Cultural Revolution in
China, devised to "purge" the country and the party of those whose
thoughts were not steeped in doctrine. The difference, of course, is
that the Republicans are out of power and all they are doing is
diminishing their numbers.

Yes. *Also reminds me of something else. *This is the 20th anniversary
of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
I recall sitting in the corporate lunch room about a week before that
with a high level systems analyst.
An epitome of "logic."
I mentioned how nice it was that The Wall was coming down. *Communism
had failed. *The Cold War was over.
I thought anybody with sense knew that.
He pooh-poohed me. *It was impossible the Wall would come down.
Of course his ideology needed that wall.
Most of the Republicans left are those who don't see that the
Republican Wall has collapsed.

This line of thought is intellectually dishonest to say the least. It
suggests that there are not many left when in fact, half of the
country is still republican. Remember, Obama only won by a point or
two... Just about the amount of votes criminal fraud organizations
such as ACORN manufactured...

But as it was in 1989, it's the end of an era.
It's hard to predict if they can rebuild a better wall.
Won't take much if the Dems screw up though, and I don't see any sense
in their economic policy for the long-term.

Well, so long as the GOP insists on moving further to the right, my only
wish for the party is further humiliation.

They aren't humiliated. *Paranoids don't get humiliated.
We need at least 2 parties. *None will succeed until they address jobs
and balance of trade.
Did you hear the uproar about the "buy America" language in the
stimulus package?
From the right and the left. *They had to take it out.
Balance that against the Dems saying that jobs will be created by
manufacturing wind turbines and solar cells.
Sorry, the Chinese can manufacture them cheaper. *
That basic conflict has to be addressed.
This economy will continue to slide downhill unless protectionist
manufacturing policies are put in place, or until U.S. wages are close
to matching Chinese wages.
BTW, that "card check" no secret ballot BS won't fly.
Legislation addressing methods of holding a fair vote for union
representation through secret ballot might be tried.
That BS about the secret vote not being compromised shows
who is honest in their thinking and who isn't.
Luckily there are plenty of Dems in the Senate who won't buy that.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

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On Apr 28, 4:24*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:54 pm, HK wrote:

Never said I couldn't purchace a firearm.. *Hey, for all you know, I
could already have it.

*snerk

Well, as usual if thought you had the integerity I would suggest a
wager.. But of course we all know you are not good for it. Lack of
moral core seems to run rampid with your type...

On Apr 28, 4:46*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:56:08 -0400, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Apr 28, 8:18 am, HK wrote:
By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent David Espo, Ap Special
Correspondent – 3 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Several officials say veteran Republican Sen. Arlen Specter
of Pennsylvania intends to switch parties, advancing his own hopes of
winning a new term next year while pushing Democrats one step closer to
a 60-vote filibuster-resistant majority.

good move for him as *many of us moderate democrats have been voting
for *him for years. glad to see he recognized the reality.

and it looks like the GOP in PA may be dying, or at least becoming *a
party of angry white conservative males...http://
tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/why-specter-did-it----and-had-to-
do-it.php

doesn't bode well for the GOP in PA

It's sorta fun to watch the current iteration of GOP head over Niagara
Falls sans barrel.

Maybe the GOP will be born again, but without the Crazy Christians and
the neocons.

The barrel is being provided courtesy *Boner, Cantor, McConnell,
Limbaugh, Hannity and *Beck.

They've marginalized the party to the point of being *small enough to,
as Grover Norquist once pined, "drown in a bathtub."

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Of course like most of your ilk, you can not deal with facts.. Half of
the country is still Republican, the margine by which Obama won can be
easily attibuted to the criminal activity and vote buying of ACORN and
the DNC.... Anyway, back to your stories, sometimes they are even
amusing...

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:06:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
om...



You are incredibly naive. Specter is being welcomed with open arms by the
highest ranking leaders of the Democratic Party. He is being given
seniority based upon his entree date to the U.S. Senate. Every major
Democrat will raise money for him and campaign on his behalf.. The only
way he will not be the Democratic nominee in 2010 is if his cancer or
death keeps him out of it. He is 79, after all.



That's the "official" party line.

The reality is that many politicians, both Republicans and Democrats think
he is a weasel.
Not my opinion. Watch any of the interviews conducted right after his
announcement.
He's taking care of him and his position and used this opportunity to
negotiate himself a nice, secure position, seniority and guarantied
re-election.

The Swine Flew.

http://sweasel.com/archives/3587

wrote:
On Apr 28, 4:24 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:54 pm, HK wrote:
Never said I couldn't purchace a firearm.. Hey, for all you know, I
could already have it.
snerk

Well, as usual if thought you had the integerity I would suggest a
wager.. But of course we all know you are not good for it. Lack of
moral core seems to run rampid with your type...


D.oh, I was an English major. Twice. I never had "integerity." This is
at least the third time you've gotten that simple word wrong.

"purchace," "integerity," "rampid"

Idiot.