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Obama hostage crisis, day 2
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... We need to get tougher to deal with this. Should have just been a nuke, one each for Iraq and Afganistan. Over in 30 minutes. Does Canada have nukes? Serious question. I don't know the answer. Eisboch |
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Obama hostage crisis, day 2
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... We need to get tougher to deal with this. Should have just been a nuke, one each for Iraq and Afganistan. Over in 30 minutes. Does Canada have nukes? Serious question. I don't know the answer. Not officially. But officially we have uranium, mines and partial refinement capabilities to make them  If we have them, they would be US made and supplied. Some rumours fly around here and there. My guess is they could be moved from the Dakota's to Cold Lake in no time.... if they already are not there. |
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#3
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Obama hostage crisis, day 2
On Apr 11, 5:41*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... We need to get tougher to deal with this. *Should have just been a nuke, one each for Iraq and Afganistan. *Over in 30 minutes. Does Canada have nukes? Serious question. * I don't know the answer. Not officially. *But officially we have uranium, mines and partial refinement capabilities to make them If we have them, they would be US made and supplied. *Some rumours fly around here and there. *My guess is they could be moved from the Dakota's to Cold Lake in no time.... if they already are not there. The question is what is a desireable outcome here. If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this point. |
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Obama hostage crisis, day 2
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The question is what is a desireable outcome here. If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this point. -------------------------- I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future occurrences, however...... Our culture values life. The purpose of law enforcement and the military is to protect and secure civilian life. There have been many examples of police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or fatality in the effort to save one civilian life. The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all possible. Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences. Eisboch |
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#5
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Obama hostage crisis, day 2
Eisboch wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The question is what is a desireable outcome here. If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this point. -------------------------- I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future occurrences, however...... Our culture values life. The purpose of law enforcement and the military is to protect and secure civilian life. There have been many examples of police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or fatality in the effort to save one civilian life. The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all possible. Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences. Eisboch Only a complete asshole would think it ok to sacrifice the ship's captain, especially after he exchanged himself to further the safety of this crew. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
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#6
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Obama hostage crisis, day 2
On Apr 11, 9:08*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message .... The question is what is a desireable outcome here. If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. *A desireable outcome is to minimize future occurences. *This may be entirely different from saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many more deaths. *Obama is not capable of understanding this. *Paying ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being taken. *Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this point. -------------------------- I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future occurrences, however...... Our culture values life. *The purpose of law enforcement and the military is to protect and secure civilian life. *There have been many examples of police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or fatality in the effort to save one civilian life. The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all possible. Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences. Eisboch Only a complete asshole would think it ok to sacrifice the ship's captain, especially after he exchanged himself to further the safety of this crew. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time ANY attempt at negotiation will CAUSE future incidents so logically should not be considered. It is all well and good to feel for the family of the hostage but we also have to feel for the hundrerds of potential future hostages. This logically means no negotiations. You may call being logical asshole behavior but it works better than emotionalism. Saving the hostage should be secondary to minimizing future incidents. I do not see any way out of that and I dont think you can either. |
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#7
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Obama hostage crisis, day 2
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:29:14 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:
Saving the hostage should be secondary to minimizing future incidents. I do not see any way out of that and I dont think you can either. In another forum, I just read *the* solution. Instead of tracking down and killing these pirates, we should track down and kill anyone who has paid ransom to these pirates. Case closed, no profit, no piracy. |
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#8
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Obama hostage crisis, day 2
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... ANY attempt at negotiation will CAUSE future incidents so logically should not be considered. It is all well and good to feel for the family of the hostage but we also have to feel for the hundrerds of potential future hostages. This logically means no negotiations. You may call being logical asshole behavior but it works better than emotionalism. Saving the hostage should be secondary to minimizing future incidents. I do not see any way out of that and I dont think you can either. ---------------------------------------------------------- Negotiation does not necessarily mean paying ransom or allowing them to go free. If that was going on, this incident would be over by now. Negotiation can also be wearing down the pirate's resolve and making them realize that they have no other option but to surrender. I am not there or privy to what the negotiations are, but I suspect the latter is what is going on. Eisboch |
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#9
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Obama hostage crisis, day 2
"HK" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The question is what is a desireable outcome here. If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this point. -------------------------- I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future occurrences, however...... Our culture values life. The purpose of law enforcement and the military is to protect and secure civilian life. There have been many examples of police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or fatality in the effort to save one civilian life. The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all possible. Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences. Eisboch Only a complete asshole would think it ok to sacrifice the ship's captain, especially after he exchanged himself to further the safety of this crew. Try yes, most certainly they should try to save the captain. No question there. But letting them go is absolutely stupid. I wonder how long it takes for a decent navy seal pair to pop out of the water and empty a 9mm into some 4 or 5 pirates weak from no fresh water or food? Can't be that tough. |
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#10
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Obama hostage crisis, day 2
Canuck57 wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The question is what is a desireable outcome here. If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this point. -------------------------- I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future occurrences, however...... Our culture values life. The purpose of law enforcement and the military is to protect and secure civilian life. There have been many examples of police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or fatality in the effort to save one civilian life. The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all possible. Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences. Eisboch Only a complete asshole would think it ok to sacrifice the ship's captain, especially after he exchanged himself to further the safety of this crew. Try yes, most certainly they should try to save the captain. No question there. But letting them go is absolutely stupid. I wonder how long it takes for a decent navy seal pair to pop out of the water and empty a 9mm into some 4 or 5 pirates weak from no fresh water or food? Can't be that tough. You just gotta love right-wing keyboard warriors... -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
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