On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:33:46 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:35 -0700, BottleBob
wrote:



wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:17:31 -0800, sittingduck
wrote:

Chip Auger wrote:

1: jon_banquer : 34
2: Gunner Asch : 34
3: Cliff : 31
Are the three stooges sick? What gives?

Asch is in the hospital.............

Tom:

Gunner's in the hospital?

Yes, since last Wednesday.

He just got OUT of the hospital, where
there some complications?

That is my guess.

Is it serious?

I don't know but it's an unexpected hospital stay six weeks after open
heart surgery, I would guess it's serious.

Tom

Dang welfare state !!!!
I'd wager he ignored the doctor's instructions,
may have pulled his sternum open with some gun crazy
stuff .... not taken his $$ meds .. ?

Worst case might be endocarditis .....
--
Cliff

On Mar 17, 2:10*am, Cliff wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:33:46 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:35 -0700, BottleBob
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:17:31 -0800, sittingduck
wrote:

Chip Auger wrote:

*1: jon_banquer : 34
*2: Gunner Asch : 34
*3: Cliff : 31
Are the three stooges sick? What gives?

Asch is in the hospital.............

Tom:

* * * *Gunner's in the hospital? *

Yes, since last Wednesday.

He just got OUT of the hospital, where
there some complications? *

That is my guess.

Is it serious?

I don't know but it's an unexpected hospital stay six weeks after open
heart surgery, I would guess it's serious.

Tom

* Dang welfare state !!!!
* I'd wager he ignored the doctor's instructions,
may have pulled his sternum open with some gun crazy
stuff .... not taken his $$ meds .. ?

* Worst case might be endocarditis .....
--
Cliff

I'm going with "pulled his sternum open"

I warned him directly about this possibility, but evidently he thinks
he is uber mench and doesn't have to live by the Laws of Nature.

As a survivor of a few broken bones of my own, they take a very long
time to heal the older a person gets. He tried to go back to work too
soon, and FUBARED himself up, no doubt about it.

When will we see him again? Depends on how much damage he did to
himself.

Nick

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:21:27 -0700 (PDT), Nicholas
wrote:

On Mar 17, 2:10?am, Cliff wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:33:46 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:35 -0700, BottleBob
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:17:31 -0800, sittingduck
wrote:

Chip Auger wrote:

?1: jon_banquer : 34
?2: Gunner Asch : 34
?3: Cliff : 31
Are the three stooges sick? What gives?

Asch is in the hospital.............

Tom:

? ? ? ?Gunner's in the hospital? ?

Yes, since last Wednesday.

He just got OUT of the hospital, where
there some complications? ?

That is my guess.

Is it serious?

I don't know but it's an unexpected hospital stay six weeks after open
heart surgery, I would guess it's serious.

Tom

? Dang welfare state !!!!
? I'd wager he ignored the doctor's instructions,
may have pulled his sternum open with some gun crazy
stuff .... not taken his $$ meds .. ?

? Worst case might be endocarditis .....
--
Cliff

I'm going with "pulled his sternum open"

I warned him directly about this possibility, but evidently he thinks
he is uber mench and doesn't have to live by the Laws of Nature.

As a survivor of a few broken bones of my own, they take a very long
time to heal the older a person gets. He tried to go back to work too
soon, and FUBARED himself up, no doubt about it.

When will we see him again? Depends on how much damage he did to
himself.

Nick

Talked to him about an hour ago. He had a stroke. Doctors aren't sure
why. He should be released sometime this afternoon.

Matt

Matt Stawicki wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:21:27 -0700 (PDT), Nicholas
wrote:

On Mar 17, 2:10?am, Cliff wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:33:46 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:35 -0700, BottleBob
wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:17:31 -0800, sittingduck
wrote:
Chip Auger wrote:
?1: jon_banquer : 34
?2: Gunner Asch : 34
?3: Cliff : 31
Are the three stooges sick? What gives?
Asch is in the hospital.............
Tom:
? ? ? ?Gunner's in the hospital? ?
Yes, since last Wednesday.
He just got OUT of the hospital, where
there some complications? ?
That is my guess.
Is it serious?
I don't know but it's an unexpected hospital stay six weeks after open
heart surgery, I would guess it's serious.
Tom
? Dang welfare state !!!!
? I'd wager he ignored the doctor's instructions,
may have pulled his sternum open with some gun crazy
stuff .... not taken his $$ meds .. ?

? Worst case might be endocarditis .....
--
Cliff
I'm going with "pulled his sternum open"

I warned him directly about this possibility, but evidently he thinks
he is uber mench and doesn't have to live by the Laws of Nature.

As a survivor of a few broken bones of my own, they take a very long
time to heal the older a person gets. He tried to go back to work too
soon, and FUBARED himself up, no doubt about it.

When will we see him again? Depends on how much damage he did to
himself.

Nick

Talked to him about an hour ago. He had a stroke. Doctors aren't sure
why. He should be released sometime this afternoon.

Matt

Strokes are no fun. Hope he gets better.

Dan

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:36:17 -0800, Matt Stawicki
wrote:
snip

Nick

Talked to him about an hour ago. He had a stroke. Doctors aren't sure
why. He should be released sometime this afternoon.

Matt
-------------
Good to hear that he will be released soon.

Lots of clots floating around after open heart surgery, and if
you skimp on your medications the problem can be worse. Also a
heart attack can indicate the entire body is wearing out.

His commentaries and observations have been missed.

Now if there were only some way to stay 30 years old until we
die....


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:10:52 -0400, Cliff wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:33:46 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:35 -0700, BottleBob
wrote:



wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:17:31 -0800, sittingduck
wrote:

Chip Auger wrote:

1: jon_banquer : 34 2: Gunner Asch
: 34 3: Cliff :
31
Are the three stooges sick? What gives?

Asch is in the hospital.............

Tom:

Gunner's in the hospital?

Yes, since last Wednesday.

He just got OUT of the hospital, where there some complications?

That is my guess.

Is it serious?

I don't know but it's an unexpected hospital stay six weeks after open
heart surgery, I would guess it's serious.

Tom

Dang welfare state !!!!
I'd wager he ignored the doctor's instructions,
may have pulled his sternum open with some gun crazy stuff .... not
taken his $$ meds .. ?

Worst case might be endocarditis .....

Highest probability is a stroke/clot. Given his years of bile for the
poor and health care, I wonder what the tab is for Gunner, the Welfare
Queen, now?

Something just doesn't fit. Gunner claimed he was making $75/hour yet
had no health insurance. At his age of 54, 55, 56 health insurance would
cost less than a day's work. Even if he was 70 as one post indicated
Blue Cross with a $5k deductable would still be less than two days a
month.

Was gunner lying about his income or irresponsible about his health
needs? In either case he is now the lowest form of life in his own
words. Gunner should have watched "My Name Is Earl."

--
Regards, Curly
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"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:10:52 -0400, Cliff wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:33:46 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:35 -0700, BottleBob
wrote:



wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:17:31 -0800, sittingduck
wrote:

Chip Auger wrote:

1: jon_banquer : 34 2: Gunner Asch
: 34 3: Cliff :
31
Are the three stooges sick? What gives?

Asch is in the hospital.............

Tom:

Gunner's in the hospital?

Yes, since last Wednesday.

He just got OUT of the hospital, where there some complications?

That is my guess.

Is it serious?

I don't know but it's an unexpected hospital stay six weeks after open
heart surgery, I would guess it's serious.

Tom

Dang welfare state !!!!
I'd wager he ignored the doctor's instructions,
may have pulled his sternum open with some gun crazy stuff .... not
taken his $$ meds .. ?

Worst case might be endocarditis .....

Highest probability is a stroke/clot. Given his years of bile for the
poor and health care, I wonder what the tab is for Gunner, the Welfare
Queen, now?

Something just doesn't fit. Gunner claimed he was making $75/hour yet
had no health insurance. At his age of 54, 55, 56 health insurance would
cost less than a day's work. Even if he was 70 as one post indicated
Blue Cross with a $5k deductable would still be less than two days a
month.

Was gunner lying about his income or irresponsible about his health
needs? In either case he is now the lowest form of life in his own
words. Gunner should have watched "My Name Is Earl."

--
Regards, Curly

$75/hour is a reasonable rate for an experienced machine tool mechanic. But
he's self-employed, which means that you don't get many billable hours when
things are slow. I worked on that basis for a couple of decades as a
freelance writer; some weeks I worked 60 hours or more, others, none at all.
My impression is that Gunner works long hours when the work is there. He may
need a better marketing approach to even it out. g

Considering where the business is now it's likely that he can't rely on a
specific monthly income so it's hard to commit to something like individual
health insurance. It cost me around $12,500/year a few years back, when I
was paying the whole thing myself. It's around $15,000 now for the same
coverage, with typical coverage you'd get if you worked for a good company.
That's why we need a better plan in this country. If you're self-employed
and you don't have close to a year's worth of savings to start with, health
insurance is problematic.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:15:46 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:10:52 -0400, Cliff wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:33:46 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:35 -0700, BottleBob
wrote:



wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:17:31 -0800, sittingduck
wrote:

Chip Auger wrote:

1: jon_banquer : 34 2: Gunner Asch
: 34 3: Cliff :
31
Are the three stooges sick? What gives?

Asch is in the hospital.............

Tom:

Gunner's in the hospital?

Yes, since last Wednesday.

He just got OUT of the hospital, where there some complications?

That is my guess.

Is it serious?

I don't know but it's an unexpected hospital stay six weeks after open
heart surgery, I would guess it's serious.

Tom

Dang welfare state !!!!
I'd wager he ignored the doctor's instructions,
may have pulled his sternum open with some gun crazy stuff .... not
taken his $$ meds .. ?

Worst case might be endocarditis .....

Highest probability is a stroke/clot. Given his years of bile for the
poor and health care, I wonder what the tab is for Gunner, the Welfare
Queen, now?

Something just doesn't fit. Gunner claimed he was making $75/hour yet
had no health insurance. At his age of 54, 55, 56 health insurance
would cost less than a day's work. Even if he was 70 as one post
indicated Blue Cross with a $5k deductable would still be less than two
days a month.

Was gunner lying about his income or irresponsible about his health
needs? In either case he is now the lowest form of life in his own
words. Gunner should have watched "My Name Is Earl."

--
Regards, Curly

$75/hour is a reasonable rate for an experienced machine tool mechanic.
But he's self-employed, which means that you don't get many billable
hours when things are slow. I worked on that basis for a couple of
decades as a freelance writer; some weeks I worked 60 hours or more,
others, none at all. My impression is that Gunner works long hours when
the work is there. He may need a better marketing approach to even it
out. g

Considering where the business is now it's likely that he can't rely on
a specific monthly income so it's hard to commit to something like
individual health insurance. It cost me around $12,500/year a few years
back, when I was paying the whole thing myself. It's around $15,000 now
for the same coverage, with typical coverage you'd get if you worked for
a good company. That's why we need a better plan in this country. If
you're self-employed and you don't have close to a year's worth of
savings to start with, health insurance is problematic.

Those prices are not indicative of normal health, didn't you say that you
had a pre-existing condition? Gunner didn't.

But I don't want to segue into health care costs, the bottom line in this
thread is that Gunner abused the poor who had to rely on public health
and even the institution itself.

Now Gunner is the Welfare Queen he so hates.

--
Regards, Curly
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Arrest Bush
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"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:15:46 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:10:52 -0400, Cliff wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:33:46 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:35 -0700, BottleBob
wrote:



wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:17:31 -0800, sittingduck
wrote:

Chip Auger wrote:

1: jon_banquer : 34 2: Gunner Asch
: 34 3: Cliff :
31
Are the three stooges sick? What gives?

Asch is in the hospital.............

Tom:

Gunner's in the hospital?

Yes, since last Wednesday.

He just got OUT of the hospital, where there some complications?

That is my guess.

Is it serious?

I don't know but it's an unexpected hospital stay six weeks after open
heart surgery, I would guess it's serious.

Tom

Dang welfare state !!!!
I'd wager he ignored the doctor's instructions,
may have pulled his sternum open with some gun crazy stuff .... not
taken his $$ meds .. ?

Worst case might be endocarditis .....

Highest probability is a stroke/clot. Given his years of bile for the
poor and health care, I wonder what the tab is for Gunner, the Welfare
Queen, now?

Something just doesn't fit. Gunner claimed he was making $75/hour yet
had no health insurance. At his age of 54, 55, 56 health insurance
would cost less than a day's work. Even if he was 70 as one post
indicated Blue Cross with a $5k deductable would still be less than two
days a month.

Was gunner lying about his income or irresponsible about his health
needs? In either case he is now the lowest form of life in his own
words. Gunner should have watched "My Name Is Earl."

--
Regards, Curly

$75/hour is a reasonable rate for an experienced machine tool mechanic.
But he's self-employed, which means that you don't get many billable
hours when things are slow. I worked on that basis for a couple of
decades as a freelance writer; some weeks I worked 60 hours or more,
others, none at all. My impression is that Gunner works long hours when
the work is there. He may need a better marketing approach to even it
out. g

Considering where the business is now it's likely that he can't rely on
a specific monthly income so it's hard to commit to something like
individual health insurance. It cost me around $12,500/year a few years
back, when I was paying the whole thing myself. It's around $15,000 now
for the same coverage, with typical coverage you'd get if you worked for
a good company. That's why we need a better plan in this country. If
you're self-employed and you don't have close to a year's worth of
savings to start with, health insurance is problematic.

Those prices are not indicative of normal health, didn't you say that you
had a pre-existing condition? Gunner didn't.

Those were prices under COBRA. Everyone pays the same rate, exactly like
job-based insurance.

Again, that was for a typical policy, two individual family members
included. If you're buying on your own, without COBRA, you won't go for the
bells and whistles.

In CA, rates are lower than in NJ. But a policy for someone over 55 or so
ain't gonna be cheap. Gunner probably had enough preconditions to either
jack up the prices or to exclude covered conditions, in any case.


But I don't want to segue into health care costs, the bottom line in this
thread is that Gunner abused the poor who had to rely on public health
and even the institution itself.

Now Gunner is the Welfare Queen he so hates.

--
Regards, Curly

It's not the first time he's had second thoughts about how health care
works. We'll see what he thinks when he gets back.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:49:13 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:15:46 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
news On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:10:52 -0400, Cliff wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:33:46 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:35 -0700, BottleBob
wrote:



wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:17:31 -0800, sittingduck
wrote:

Chip Auger wrote:

1: jon_banquer : 34 2: Gunner Asch
: 34 3: Cliff
: 31
Are the three stooges sick? What gives?

Asch is in the hospital.............

Tom:

Gunner's in the hospital?

Yes, since last Wednesday.

He just got OUT of the hospital, where there some complications?

That is my guess.

Is it serious?

I don't know but it's an unexpected hospital stay six weeks after
open heart surgery, I would guess it's serious.

Tom

Dang welfare state !!!!
I'd wager he ignored the doctor's instructions,
may have pulled his sternum open with some gun crazy stuff .... not
taken his $$ meds .. ?

Worst case might be endocarditis .....

Highest probability is a stroke/clot. Given his years of bile for
the poor and health care, I wonder what the tab is for Gunner, the
Welfare Queen, now?

Something just doesn't fit. Gunner claimed he was making $75/hour
yet had no health insurance. At his age of 54, 55, 56 health
insurance would cost less than a day's work. Even if he was 70 as
one post indicated Blue Cross with a $5k deductable would still be
less than two days a month.

Was gunner lying about his income or irresponsible about his health
needs? In either case he is now the lowest form of life in his own
words. Gunner should have watched "My Name Is Earl."

--
Regards, Curly

$75/hour is a reasonable rate for an experienced machine tool
mechanic. But he's self-employed, which means that you don't get many
billable hours when things are slow. I worked on that basis for a
couple of decades as a freelance writer; some weeks I worked 60 hours
or more, others, none at all. My impression is that Gunner works long
hours when the work is there. He may need a better marketing approach
to even it out. g

Considering where the business is now it's likely that he can't rely
on a specific monthly income so it's hard to commit to something like
individual health insurance. It cost me around $12,500/year a few
years back, when I was paying the whole thing myself. It's around
$15,000 now for the same coverage, with typical coverage you'd get if
you worked for a good company. That's why we need a better plan in
this country. If you're self-employed and you don't have close to a
year's worth of savings to start with, health insurance is
problematic.

Those prices are not indicative of normal health, didn't you say that
you had a pre-existing condition? Gunner didn't.

Those were prices under COBRA. Everyone pays the same rate, exactly like
job-based insurance.

Again, that was for a typical policy, two individual family members
included. If you're buying on your own, without COBRA, you won't go for
the bells and whistles.

In CA, rates are lower than in NJ. But a policy for someone over 55 or
so ain't gonna be cheap. Gunner probably had enough preconditions to
either jack up the prices or to exclude covered conditions, in any case.

The premise here was gunner, alone. I stand by my original data that if
he makes the income claimed that he could have purchased health insurance
for less than a day per month of income.

He didn't and became the Welfare Queen that he's spent years hoisting as
the enemy of America.

But I don't want to segue into health care costs, the bottom line in
this thread is that Gunner abused the poor who had to rely on public
health and even the institution itself.

Now Gunner is the Welfare Queen he so hates.

--
Regards, Curly

It's not the first time he's had second thoughts about how health care
works. We'll see what he thinks when he gets back.

We'll see what happens when his personal property is confiscated for the
bills he ran up. Remember, he spoke here about transferring it to
someone else to avoid paying his bills.

He became the parasitic leach that he once blamed on the poor.

--
Regards, Curly
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Arrest Bush
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