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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:53:37 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "BAR" wrote in message m... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:15:16 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:03:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:10:03 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:49:12 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:56:26 -0500, John H penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:17:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:04:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 31 2008, 2:47 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:25:34 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: (considering what hasn't changed here in this NG) http://www.slate.com/id/2202423/pagenum/all/ Even though it was Bush's fault, Obama will have that fixed in no time. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Here's what I find odd. Seems that those who have already concluded that Obama is a bad president, even though he hasn't been in office yet, are the very same ones that didn't see that Bush would be a miserable failure, and STILL don't see it. Who has made conclusions that Obama will be a bad president? Bush wasn't a miserable failure. His accomplishments in Iraq and Afghanistan are remarkable. If it hadn't been for the Barney Frank crowd, he would have had a great economy going for him. John H Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. What country would you have had him 'punish'? 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were from one country. That country, to this day, broadcasts strong anti-American sentiment on their government owned radio. That same government, having close ties to the Bush administration, walked away from the mess, entirely unchallenged by the US government for their role in the death of 3,000 Americans. Their hands are just as dirty as Afghanistan's. In addition, although this country has claimed to arrest Al Qaeda operatives within their borders, I don't think any have been charged (or accused) of having terrorist targets *outside* of that country's borders. Afghanistan makes sense, but why punish Iraq and then let this country go free..... Doubters will attempt to trash the source of this information. That will be funny to watch, as the doubters try and rain disrespect all over OUR SOLDIERS, who uncovered the information about our so-called "allies", who provided the majority of foreign fighters who came to kill our soldiers. "The data come largely from a trove of documents and computers discovered in September, when American forces raided a tent camp in the desert near Sinjar, close to the Syrian border. The raid's target was an insurgent cell believed to be responsible for smuggling the vast majority of foreign fighters into Iraq. The most significant discovery was a collection of biographical sketches that listed hometowns and other details for more than 700 fighters brought into Iraq since August 2006." I suppose, using your logic, we should wreak havoc on Mexico from whence have come a whole passel of murderers, rapists, and other assorted felons. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Based on YOUR logic, we should've attacked Peru in retaliation for Pearl Harbor. Enuff. Bye. It's fun to scare you away like this. You can't face your own "logic", if you can call it logic. Doug. I've presented nothing. I've asked a question. You've still not answered it. It's been long enough since 9/11 for you to know who really attacked us. You really can't answer the question, can you? You don't know who attacked us. Suggestion: Move your TV set to the attic for a year. Football is rotting your brain, old soldier. Doug, have you ever noticed that many liberals, when asked a question, willl ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? Here, oh brave man, "What country would you have had him 'punish'?" My goal at this point in the discussion is to find out if you can name the country which attacked us on 9/11. You may be avoiding the answer because you believe the attackers did not officially represent the country from which most of them originated. That's just an opinion which I do not share. So, let's keep it simple: Where did most of the attackers come from? "New Jersey", "Germany" or "Florida" are not permissible answers. What is your point? Why don't you name the country and lay out an set of arguments for punishing that country and the ramifications of punishing that country? I already laid out a set of arguments. Don't be lazy. Read more of the messages in this thread, instead of picking and choosing the ones that are easy to respond to. Note: As far as I'm concerned, you've laid out nothing beyond your original statement, to wit: Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. Until you answered the question posed, your 'arguments' were meaningless. You have to start over. |
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:04:07 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:49:14 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:28:59 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message news:9s2dnY21f4sAjMPUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganew s.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 31 2008, 2:47 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:25:34 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: (considering what hasn't changed here in this NG) http://www.slate.com/id/2202423/pagenum/all/ Even though it was Bush's fault, Obama will have that fixed in no time. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Here's what I find odd. Seems that those who have already concluded that Obama is a bad president, even though he hasn't been in office yet, are the very same ones that didn't see that Bush would be a miserable failure, and STILL don't see it. ================== I think Obama makes his doubters nervous and perhaps defensive because he can speak English. He can correctly assemble plural and singular verbs & nouns, something Bush had difficulty with. This makes Obama an elitist in the eyes of his doubters, although these are the same people who also like to complain about the "failed education system". When the "system" succeeds, it produces elitists. The "system" just can't win. :-) The only time Obama sounds polished is when he is reading the words from a tele-prompter. Otherwise, he and Caroline Kennedy sound like a couple of 12 year old girls in a junior high school hallway. Considering who you voted for in two previous elections, you are not very well qualified to make that determination. Doug, have you ever noticed that many liberals, when asked a question, willl ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? I've noticed that with conservatives, too. Fortunately, I'm not a liberal, so let's move away from useless labels. Like this? "Football is rotting your brain, old soldier." Is that what you want to move away from? Doug, have you ever noticed that YOU, when asked a question, will ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? I didn't "BEGIN" with personal insults. You did what you always do when faced with this particular issue: You stalled, with intent to bait and annoy. I interpret this as your complete lack of faith in our military, which is not a particularly conservative trait. You think we could not have punished Saudi Arabia in the exact same way we handled Iraq. Why do you have such a low opinion of our military? Doug, have you ever noticed that YOU, when asked a question, will ignore the question, **quickly change the subject**, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? |
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"John H" wrote in message
... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:52:42 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:30:49 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message m... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:15:16 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:opmql4ddpftn8a7qkqv6sa1reuj6hnuur8@4ax. com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:03:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:i4kql49nqc2rohr9rm4mlfs5snrkqmdbbo@4a x.com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:10:03 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:5leql41nfqmlh62bup84k14farj4ggdhf9@ 4ax.com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:49:12 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message news:9crpl49k4608ilg3qus7rtgtr7duhm7eo ... On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:56:26 -0500, John H penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:17:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:6inpl4dqaql6ds684kgn0ug14i91ei ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:04:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 31 2008, 2:47 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:25:34 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: (considering what hasn't changed here in this NG) http://www.slate.com/id/2202423/pagenum/all/ Even though it was Bush's fault, Obama will have that fixed in no time. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Here's what I find odd. Seems that those who have already concluded that Obama is a bad president, even though he hasn't been in office yet, are the very same ones that didn't see that Bush would be a miserable failure, and STILL don't see it. Who has made conclusions that Obama will be a bad president? Bush wasn't a miserable failure. His accomplishments in Iraq and Afghanistan are remarkable. If it hadn't been for the Barney Frank crowd, he would have had a great economy going for him. John H Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. What country would you have had him 'punish'? 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were from one country. That country, to this day, broadcasts strong anti-American sentiment on their government owned radio. That same government, having close ties to the Bush administration, walked away from the mess, entirely unchallenged by the US government for their role in the death of 3,000 Americans. Their hands are just as dirty as Afghanistan's. In addition, although this country has claimed to arrest Al Qaeda operatives within their borders, I don't think any have been charged (or accused) of having terrorist targets *outside* of that country's borders. Afghanistan makes sense, but why punish Iraq and then let this country go free..... Doubters will attempt to trash the source of this information. That will be funny to watch, as the doubters try and rain disrespect all over OUR SOLDIERS, who uncovered the information about our so-called "allies", who provided the majority of foreign fighters who came to kill our soldiers. "The data come largely from a trove of documents and computers discovered in September, when American forces raided a tent camp in the desert near Sinjar, close to the Syrian border. The raid's target was an insurgent cell believed to be responsible for smuggling the vast majority of foreign fighters into Iraq. The most significant discovery was a collection of biographical sketches that listed hometowns and other details for more than 700 fighters brought into Iraq since August 2006." I suppose, using your logic, we should wreak havoc on Mexico from whence have come a whole passel of murderers, rapists, and other assorted felons. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Based on YOUR logic, we should've attacked Peru in retaliation for Pearl Harbor. Enuff. Bye. It's fun to scare you away like this. You can't face your own "logic", if you can call it logic. Doug. I've presented nothing. I've asked a question. You've still not answered it. It's been long enough since 9/11 for you to know who really attacked us. You really can't answer the question, can you? You don't know who attacked us. Suggestion: Move your TV set to the attic for a year. Football is rotting your brain, old soldier. Doug, have you ever noticed that many liberals, when asked a question, willl ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? Here, oh brave man, "What country would you have had him 'punish'?" My goal at this point in the discussion is to find out if you can name the country which attacked us on 9/11. You may be avoiding the answer because you believe the attackers did not officially represent the country from which most of them originated. That's just an opinion which I do not share. So, let's keep it simple: Where did most of the attackers come from? "New Jersey", "Germany" or "Florida" are not permissible answers. Your statement: Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. My question: What country would you have had him 'punish'? OK - just out of curiosity, I'll name the country: Saudi Arabia. Now I'm curious to hear you explain why we could not have punished Saudi Arabia, because more than any other country you can name, they were responsible 9/11. Saudi Arabia was also responsible for sending more foreign fighters than any other into Iraq. Tell me why we could not have done to Saudi Arabia what we did to Iraq. Thank you. But, first things first. You seem to think that the government and people of a country are responsible and should be punished for the acts its current or former citizens against the citizens or properties of this county, whether or not those acts are sanctioned by the government of the country. The acts of the 9/11 thugs ***WERE*** sanctioned after the fact by the royal family, which, in case you don't know, are the entirety of the government of Saudi Arabia. That's hard for Americans to wrap their heads around because we have no such arrangement here. In the past, I've told you to read more, and you've provided some sort of nonsensical response. I'll try again. Get to your library: http://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Devil.../dp/1400050219 If you believe that we should 'punish' Saudi Arabia for the acts of a few of its current or former citizens, then that logic should be applied to any country from whence citizens have acted against the people or properties of this country. How about when the actions of one ruler do not represent the desires of his citizens? We don't need to pursue this idea any further, now do we? There have been many more than 18 murderers, rapists, plunderers, and pillagers who've illegally entered this country from Mexico. Using your logic, should we not wreak havoc on Mexico? Nice try. No....wait. Not even "nice". Lame. |
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On Jan 2, 9:14*am, John H wrote:
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:04:07 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:49:14 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:28:59 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message news:9s2dnY21f4sAjMPUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganew s.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 31 2008, 2:47 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:25:34 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: (considering what hasn't changed here in this NG) http://www.slate.com/id/2202423/pagenum/all/ Even though it was Bush's fault, Obama will have that fixed in no time. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Here's what I find odd. Seems that those who have already concluded that Obama is a bad president, even though he hasn't been in office yet, are the very same ones that didn't see that Bush would be a miserable failure, and STILL don't see it. ================== I think Obama makes his doubters nervous and perhaps defensive because he can speak English. He can correctly assemble plural and singular verbs & nouns, something Bush had difficulty with. This makes Obama an elitist in the eyes of his doubters, although these are the same people who also like to complain about the "failed education system". When the "system" succeeds, it produces elitists. The "system" just can't win. :-) The only time Obama sounds polished is when he is reading the words from a tele-prompter. Otherwise, he and Caroline Kennedy sound like a couple of 12 year old girls in a junior high school hallway. Considering who you voted for in two previous elections, you are not very well qualified to make that determination. Doug, have you ever noticed that many liberals, when asked a question, willl ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? I've noticed that with conservatives, too. Fortunately, I'm not a liberal, so let's move away from useless labels. Like this? "Football is rotting your brain, old soldier." Is that what you want to move away from? Doug, have you ever noticed that YOU, when asked a question, will ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? I didn't "BEGIN" with personal insults. You did what you always do when faced with this particular issue: You stalled, with intent to bait and annoy. I interpret this as your complete lack of faith in our military, which is not a particularly conservative trait. You think we could not have punished Saudi Arabia in the exact same way we handled Iraq. Why do you have such a low opinion of our military? Doug, have you ever noticed that YOU, when asked a question, will ignore the question, **quickly change the subject**, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That sounds an awful lot like someone else here..... |
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"John H" wrote in message
... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:15:39 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:52:42 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message m... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:30:49 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:mc2sl4tt7v5u388uqhdragm2tgs0novbb7@4ax. com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:15:16 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:opmql4ddpftn8a7qkqv6sa1reuj6hnuur8@4a x.com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:03:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:i4kql49nqc2rohr9rm4mlfs5snrkqmdbbo@ 4ax.com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:10:03 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:5leql41nfqmlh62bup84k14farj4ggdhf ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:49:12 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message news:9crpl49k4608ilg3qus7rtgtr7duhm7 ... On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:56:26 -0500, John H penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:17:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:6inpl4dqaql6ds684kgn0ug14i91 ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:04:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 31 2008, 2:47 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:25:34 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: (considering what hasn't changed here in this NG) http://www.slate.com/id/2202423/pagenum/all/ Even though it was Bush's fault, Obama will have that fixed in no time. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Here's what I find odd. Seems that those who have already concluded that Obama is a bad president, even though he hasn't been in office yet, are the very same ones that didn't see that Bush would be a miserable failure, and STILL don't see it. Who has made conclusions that Obama will be a bad president? Bush wasn't a miserable failure. His accomplishments in Iraq and Afghanistan are remarkable. If it hadn't been for the Barney Frank crowd, he would have had a great economy going for him. John H Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. What country would you have had him 'punish'? 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were from one country. That country, to this day, broadcasts strong anti-American sentiment on their government owned radio. That same government, having close ties to the Bush administration, walked away from the mess, entirely unchallenged by the US government for their role in the death of 3,000 Americans. Their hands are just as dirty as Afghanistan's. In addition, although this country has claimed to arrest Al Qaeda operatives within their borders, I don't think any have been charged (or accused) of having terrorist targets *outside* of that country's borders. Afghanistan makes sense, but why punish Iraq and then let this country go free..... Doubters will attempt to trash the source of this information. That will be funny to watch, as the doubters try and rain disrespect all over OUR SOLDIERS, who uncovered the information about our so-called "allies", who provided the majority of foreign fighters who came to kill our soldiers. "The data come largely from a trove of documents and computers discovered in September, when American forces raided a tent camp in the desert near Sinjar, close to the Syrian border. The raid's target was an insurgent cell believed to be responsible for smuggling the vast majority of foreign fighters into Iraq. The most significant discovery was a collection of biographical sketches that listed hometowns and other details for more than 700 fighters brought into Iraq since August 2006." I suppose, using your logic, we should wreak havoc on Mexico from whence have come a whole passel of murderers, rapists, and other assorted felons. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Based on YOUR logic, we should've attacked Peru in retaliation for Pearl Harbor. Enuff. Bye. It's fun to scare you away like this. You can't face your own "logic", if you can call it logic. Doug. I've presented nothing. I've asked a question. You've still not answered it. It's been long enough since 9/11 for you to know who really attacked us. You really can't answer the question, can you? You don't know who attacked us. Suggestion: Move your TV set to the attic for a year. Football is rotting your brain, old soldier. Doug, have you ever noticed that many liberals, when asked a question, willl ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? Here, oh brave man, "What country would you have had him 'punish'?" My goal at this point in the discussion is to find out if you can name the country which attacked us on 9/11. You may be avoiding the answer because you believe the attackers did not officially represent the country from which most of them originated. That's just an opinion which I do not share. So, let's keep it simple: Where did most of the attackers come from? "New Jersey", "Germany" or "Florida" are not permissible answers. Your statement: Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. My question: What country would you have had him 'punish'? OK - just out of curiosity, I'll name the country: Saudi Arabia. Now I'm curious to hear you explain why we could not have punished Saudi Arabia, because more than any other country you can name, they were responsible 9/11. Saudi Arabia was also responsible for sending more foreign fighters than any other into Iraq. Tell me why we could not have done to Saudi Arabia what we did to Iraq. Thank you. But, first things first. You seem to think that the government and people of a country are responsible and should be punished for the acts its current or former citizens against the citizens or properties of this county, whether or not those acts are sanctioned by the government of the country. The acts of the 9/11 thugs ***WERE*** sanctioned after the fact by the royal family, which, in case you don't know, are the entirety of the government of Saudi Arabia. That's hard for Americans to wrap their heads around because we have no such arrangement here. In the past, I've told you to read more, and you've provided some sort of nonsensical response. I'll try again. Get to your library: "...after the fact...." http://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Devil.../dp/1400050219 Now, this sounds like a book to put your faith in. "Most of the stories he extends are mostly stories either heard on the street or stuff he learned of from acquaintances. Such sources usually disfigure facts, if not totally make them up. Some of the stories sound more like weak plots for low-budget movies rather than real life incidents, such as the Million Dollars briefcase "accidentally" left behind by Khashoggi, a Saudi Billionaire, after meeting with Richard Nixon." And yet, Baer (whose experience dwarfs yours or mine) is considered a reliable authority on the issue. You will now ask who considers him a reliable authority. If you believe that we should 'punish' Saudi Arabia for the acts of a few of its current or former citizens, then that logic should be applied to any country from whence citizens have acted against the people or properties of this country. How about when the actions of one ruler do not represent the desires of his citizens? We don't need to pursue this idea any further, now do we? There have been many more than 18 murderers, rapists, plunderers, and pillagers who've illegally entered this country from Mexico. Using your logic, should we not wreak havoc on Mexico? Nice try. No....wait. Not even "nice". Lame. Doug, have you ever noticed that YOU, when asked a question, will ***ignore the question***, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? Onward: Please provide your opinion on the information in this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/wo...hp&oref=slogin |
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:15:39 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:52:42 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:30:49 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message om... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:15:16 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:opmql4ddpftn8a7qkqv6sa1reuj6hnuur8@4ax .com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:03:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:i4kql49nqc2rohr9rm4mlfs5snrkqmdbbo@4 ax.com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:10:03 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:5leql41nfqmlh62bup84k14farj4ggdhf9 @4ax.com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:49:12 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message news:9crpl49k4608ilg3qus7rtgtr7duhm7e ... On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:56:26 -0500, John H penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:17:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:6inpl4dqaql6ds684kgn0ug14i91e ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:04:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 31 2008, 2:47 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:25:34 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: (considering what hasn't changed here in this NG) http://www.slate.com/id/2202423/pagenum/all/ Even though it was Bush's fault, Obama will have that fixed in no time. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Here's what I find odd. Seems that those who have already concluded that Obama is a bad president, even though he hasn't been in office yet, are the very same ones that didn't see that Bush would be a miserable failure, and STILL don't see it. Who has made conclusions that Obama will be a bad president? Bush wasn't a miserable failure. His accomplishments in Iraq and Afghanistan are remarkable. If it hadn't been for the Barney Frank crowd, he would have had a great economy going for him. John H Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. What country would you have had him 'punish'? 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were from one country. That country, to this day, broadcasts strong anti-American sentiment on their government owned radio. That same government, having close ties to the Bush administration, walked away from the mess, entirely unchallenged by the US government for their role in the death of 3,000 Americans. Their hands are just as dirty as Afghanistan's. In addition, although this country has claimed to arrest Al Qaeda operatives within their borders, I don't think any have been charged (or accused) of having terrorist targets *outside* of that country's borders. Afghanistan makes sense, but why punish Iraq and then let this country go free..... Doubters will attempt to trash the source of this information. That will be funny to watch, as the doubters try and rain disrespect all over OUR SOLDIERS, who uncovered the information about our so-called "allies", who provided the majority of foreign fighters who came to kill our soldiers. "The data come largely from a trove of documents and computers discovered in September, when American forces raided a tent camp in the desert near Sinjar, close to the Syrian border. The raid's target was an insurgent cell believed to be responsible for smuggling the vast majority of foreign fighters into Iraq. The most significant discovery was a collection of biographical sketches that listed hometowns and other details for more than 700 fighters brought into Iraq since August 2006." I suppose, using your logic, we should wreak havoc on Mexico from whence have come a whole passel of murderers, rapists, and other assorted felons. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Based on YOUR logic, we should've attacked Peru in retaliation for Pearl Harbor. Enuff. Bye. It's fun to scare you away like this. You can't face your own "logic", if you can call it logic. Doug. I've presented nothing. I've asked a question. You've still not answered it. It's been long enough since 9/11 for you to know who really attacked us. You really can't answer the question, can you? You don't know who attacked us. Suggestion: Move your TV set to the attic for a year. Football is rotting your brain, old soldier. Doug, have you ever noticed that many liberals, when asked a question, willl ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? Here, oh brave man, "What country would you have had him 'punish'?" My goal at this point in the discussion is to find out if you can name the country which attacked us on 9/11. You may be avoiding the answer because you believe the attackers did not officially represent the country from which most of them originated. That's just an opinion which I do not share. So, let's keep it simple: Where did most of the attackers come from? "New Jersey", "Germany" or "Florida" are not permissible answers. Your statement: Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. My question: What country would you have had him 'punish'? OK - just out of curiosity, I'll name the country: Saudi Arabia. Now I'm curious to hear you explain why we could not have punished Saudi Arabia, because more than any other country you can name, they were responsible 9/11. Saudi Arabia was also responsible for sending more foreign fighters than any other into Iraq. Tell me why we could not have done to Saudi Arabia what we did to Iraq. Thank you. But, first things first. You seem to think that the government and people of a country are responsible and should be punished for the acts its current or former citizens against the citizens or properties of this county, whether or not those acts are sanctioned by the government of the country. The acts of the 9/11 thugs ***WERE*** sanctioned after the fact by the royal family, which, in case you don't know, are the entirety of the government of Saudi Arabia. That's hard for Americans to wrap their heads around because we have no such arrangement here. In the past, I've told you to read more, and you've provided some sort of nonsensical response. I'll try again. Get to your library: "...after the fact...." http://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Devil.../dp/1400050219 Now, this sounds like a book to put your faith in. "Most of the stories he extends are mostly stories either heard on the street or stuff he learned of from acquaintances. Such sources usually disfigure facts, if not totally make them up. Some of the stories sound more like weak plots for low-budget movies rather than real life incidents, such as the Million Dollars briefcase "accidentally" left behind by Khashoggi, a Saudi Billionaire, after meeting with Richard Nixon." If you believe that we should 'punish' Saudi Arabia for the acts of a few of its current or former citizens, then that logic should be applied to any country from whence citizens have acted against the people or properties of this country. How about when the actions of one ruler do not represent the desires of his citizens? We don't need to pursue this idea any further, now do we? There have been many more than 18 murderers, rapists, plunderers, and pillagers who've illegally entered this country from Mexico. Using your logic, should we not wreak havoc on Mexico? Nice try. No....wait. Not even "nice". Lame. Doug, have you ever noticed that YOU, when asked a question, will ***ignore the question***, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:30:49 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:15:16 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:03:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:10:03 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:49:12 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:56:26 -0500, John H penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:17:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:04:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 31 2008, 2:47 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:25:34 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: (considering what hasn't changed here in this NG) http://www.slate.com/id/2202423/pagenum/all/ Even though it was Bush's fault, Obama will have that fixed in no time. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Here's what I find odd. Seems that those who have already concluded that Obama is a bad president, even though he hasn't been in office yet, are the very same ones that didn't see that Bush would be a miserable failure, and STILL don't see it. Who has made conclusions that Obama will be a bad president? Bush wasn't a miserable failure. His accomplishments in Iraq and Afghanistan are remarkable. If it hadn't been for the Barney Frank crowd, he would have had a great economy going for him. John H Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. What country would you have had him 'punish'? 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were from one country. That country, to this day, broadcasts strong anti-American sentiment on their government owned radio. That same government, having close ties to the Bush administration, walked away from the mess, entirely unchallenged by the US government for their role in the death of 3,000 Americans. Their hands are just as dirty as Afghanistan's. In addition, although this country has claimed to arrest Al Qaeda operatives within their borders, I don't think any have been charged (or accused) of having terrorist targets *outside* of that country's borders. Afghanistan makes sense, but why punish Iraq and then let this country go free..... Doubters will attempt to trash the source of this information. That will be funny to watch, as the doubters try and rain disrespect all over OUR SOLDIERS, who uncovered the information about our so-called "allies", who provided the majority of foreign fighters who came to kill our soldiers. "The data come largely from a trove of documents and computers discovered in September, when American forces raided a tent camp in the desert near Sinjar, close to the Syrian border. The raid's target was an insurgent cell believed to be responsible for smuggling the vast majority of foreign fighters into Iraq. The most significant discovery was a collection of biographical sketches that listed hometowns and other details for more than 700 fighters brought into Iraq since August 2006." I suppose, using your logic, we should wreak havoc on Mexico from whence have come a whole passel of murderers, rapists, and other assorted felons. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Based on YOUR logic, we should've attacked Peru in retaliation for Pearl Harbor. Enuff. Bye. It's fun to scare you away like this. You can't face your own "logic", if you can call it logic. Doug. I've presented nothing. I've asked a question. You've still not answered it. It's been long enough since 9/11 for you to know who really attacked us. You really can't answer the question, can you? You don't know who attacked us. Suggestion: Move your TV set to the attic for a year. Football is rotting your brain, old soldier. Doug, have you ever noticed that many liberals, when asked a question, willl ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? Here, oh brave man, "What country would you have had him 'punish'?" My goal at this point in the discussion is to find out if you can name the country which attacked us on 9/11. You may be avoiding the answer because you believe the attackers did not officially represent the country from which most of them originated. That's just an opinion which I do not share. So, let's keep it simple: Where did most of the attackers come from? "New Jersey", "Germany" or "Florida" are not permissible answers. Your statement: Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. My question: What country would you have had him 'punish'? OK - just out of curiosity, I'll name the country: Saudi Arabia. Now I'm curious to hear you explain why we could not have punished Saudi Arabia, because more than any other country you can name, they were responsible 9/11. Did the Saudi Arabian government send the people or did the people go on their on accord? Saudi Arabia was also responsible for sending more foreign fighters than any other into Iraq. Did the Saudi Arabian government send the people or did the people go on their on accord? Tell me why we could not have done to Saudi Arabia what we did to Iraq. Iraq was a threat to the flow of oil in the entire region. The US military's presence in Saudi Arabia was a threat to the ruling family and thus a threat to the stability of the country and its oil. Regardless of what you think oil is extremely important to our daily lives, we cannot live without it right now. Also, the fact that we cannot drill for it off our own coasts, due to Democrats in Congress and environmental wackos, is the reason we are in the middle east. If we pumped our own oil out of the ground where ever it is found we would be better off. |
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... Your statement: Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. My question: What country would you have had him 'punish'? OK - just out of curiosity, I'll name the country: Saudi Arabia. Now I'm curious to hear you explain why we could not have punished Saudi Arabia, because more than any other country you can name, they were responsible 9/11. Did the Saudi Arabian government send the people or did the people go on their on accord? The Saudi royal family (which is the Saudi government in its entirety) gives cash support to schools which turn out terrorists. When any of our politicians (rarely) suggest that the Saudis need to own up to their crimes, those politicians are quickly muzzled. If I recall, there have been perhaps two "what a heinous crime" comments from congressmen since 9/11. That's it. That's all. Only last year did the Saudis begin making a token effort to "rehabilitate" people yelling about jihad. You didn't read about this, did you? Saudi Arabia was also responsible for sending more foreign fighters than any other into Iraq. Did the Saudi Arabian government send the people or did the people go on their on accord? They were aware of it and did nothing to stop it. Therefore, they had intent to see it continue. Thanks for asking. That was an excellent question. Tell me why we could not have done to Saudi Arabia what we did to Iraq. Iraq was a threat to the flow of oil in the entire region. The US military's presence in Saudi Arabia was a threat to the ruling family and thus a threat to the stability of the country and its oil. Right. Time to eliminate the ruling family. We built that country. Time to take it back. Regardless of what you think oil is extremely important to our daily lives, we cannot live without it right now. Also, the fact that we cannot drill for it off our own coasts, due to Democrats in Congress and environmental wackos, is the reason we are in the middle east. If we pumped our own oil out of the ground where ever it is found we would be better off. You never saw me say that oil was not worth protecting, using our military to do so. |
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"John H" wrote in message
... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:31:25 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:15:39 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message m... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:52:42 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:lr6sl41qc66du6mekjihh6q7ed4uifner2@4ax. com... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:30:49 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:mc2sl4tt7v5u388uqhdragm2tgs0novbb7@4a x.com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:15:16 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:opmql4ddpftn8a7qkqv6sa1reuj6hnuur8@ 4ax.com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:03:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:i4kql49nqc2rohr9rm4mlfs5snrkqmdbb ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:10:03 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:5leql41nfqmlh62bup84k14farj4ggd ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:49:12 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message news:9crpl49k4608ilg3qus7rtgtr7duh ... On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:56:26 -0500, John H penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:17:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:6inpl4dqaql6ds684kgn0ug14i ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:04:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 31 2008, 2:47 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:25:34 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: (considering what hasn't changed here in this NG) http://www.slate.com/id/2202423/pagenum/all/ Even though it was Bush's fault, Obama will have that fixed in no time. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Here's what I find odd. Seems that those who have already concluded that Obama is a bad president, even though he hasn't been in office yet, are the very same ones that didn't see that Bush would be a miserable failure, and STILL don't see it. Who has made conclusions that Obama will be a bad president? Bush wasn't a miserable failure. His accomplishments in Iraq and Afghanistan are remarkable. If it hadn't been for the Barney Frank crowd, he would have had a great economy going for him. John H Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. What country would you have had him 'punish'? 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were from one country. That country, to this day, broadcasts strong anti-American sentiment on their government owned radio. That same government, having close ties to the Bush administration, walked away from the mess, entirely unchallenged by the US government for their role in the death of 3,000 Americans. Their hands are just as dirty as Afghanistan's. In addition, although this country has claimed to arrest Al Qaeda operatives within their borders, I don't think any have been charged (or accused) of having terrorist targets *outside* of that country's borders. Afghanistan makes sense, but why punish Iraq and then let this country go free..... Doubters will attempt to trash the source of this information. That will be funny to watch, as the doubters try and rain disrespect all over OUR SOLDIERS, who uncovered the information about our so-called "allies", who provided the majority of foreign fighters who came to kill our soldiers. "The data come largely from a trove of documents and computers discovered in September, when American forces raided a tent camp in the desert near Sinjar, close to the Syrian border. The raid's target was an insurgent cell believed to be responsible for smuggling the vast majority of foreign fighters into Iraq. The most significant discovery was a collection of biographical sketches that listed hometowns and other details for more than 700 fighters brought into Iraq since August 2006." I suppose, using your logic, we should wreak havoc on Mexico from whence have come a whole passel of murderers, rapists, and other assorted felons. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Based on YOUR logic, we should've attacked Peru in retaliation for Pearl Harbor. Enuff. Bye. It's fun to scare you away like this. You can't face your own "logic", if you can call it logic. Doug. I've presented nothing. I've asked a question. You've still not answered it. It's been long enough since 9/11 for you to know who really attacked us. You really can't answer the question, can you? You don't know who attacked us. Suggestion: Move your TV set to the attic for a year. Football is rotting your brain, old soldier. Doug, have you ever noticed that many liberals, when asked a question, willl ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? Here, oh brave man, "What country would you have had him 'punish'?" My goal at this point in the discussion is to find out if you can name the country which attacked us on 9/11. You may be avoiding the answer because you believe the attackers did not officially represent the country from which most of them originated. That's just an opinion which I do not share. So, let's keep it simple: Where did most of the attackers come from? "New Jersey", "Germany" or "Florida" are not permissible answers. Your statement: Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. My question: What country would you have had him 'punish'? OK - just out of curiosity, I'll name the country: Saudi Arabia. Now I'm curious to hear you explain why we could not have punished Saudi Arabia, because more than any other country you can name, they were responsible 9/11. Saudi Arabia was also responsible for sending more foreign fighters than any other into Iraq. Tell me why we could not have done to Saudi Arabia what we did to Iraq. Thank you. But, first things first. You seem to think that the government and people of a country are responsible and should be punished for the acts its current or former citizens against the citizens or properties of this county, whether or not those acts are sanctioned by the government of the country. The acts of the 9/11 thugs ***WERE*** sanctioned after the fact by the royal family, which, in case you don't know, are the entirety of the government of Saudi Arabia. That's hard for Americans to wrap their heads around because we have no such arrangement here. In the past, I've told you to read more, and you've provided some sort of nonsensical response. I'll try again. Get to your library: "...after the fact...." http://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Devil.../dp/1400050219 Now, this sounds like a book to put your faith in. "Most of the stories he extends are mostly stories either heard on the street or stuff he learned of from acquaintances. Such sources usually disfigure facts, if not totally make them up. Some of the stories sound more like weak plots for low-budget movies rather than real life incidents, such as the Million Dollars briefcase "accidentally" left behind by Khashoggi, a Saudi Billionaire, after meeting with Richard Nixon." And yet, Baer (whose experience dwarfs yours or mine) is considered a reliable authority on the issue. You will now ask who considers him a reliable authority. If you believe that we should 'punish' Saudi Arabia for the acts of a few of its current or former citizens, then that logic should be applied to any country from whence citizens have acted against the people or properties of this country. How about when the actions of one ruler do not represent the desires of his citizens? We don't need to pursue this idea any further, now do we? There have been many more than 18 murderers, rapists, plunderers, and pillagers who've illegally entered this country from Mexico. Using your logic, should we not wreak havoc on Mexico? Nice try. No....wait. Not even "nice". Lame. Doug, have you ever noticed that YOU, when asked a question, will ***ignore the question***, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? Onward: Please provide your opinion on the information in this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/wo...hp&oref=slogin No, not 'onward'. Using your logic, should we not wreak havoc on Mexico? Yes, but in a way that's appropriate to the issue. And, additionally, should we not 'punish' *any* country whose citizens or leaders expressed happiness after the 9/11 incident? Nope. That's not a good way to use our soldiers, although that doesn't matter to you. Are you prepared to discuss the way the Saudis caused the deaths of more soldiers in Iraq than anyone other foreign power in the region? If you are not prepared to discuss this issue, please explain why. Is there something in the article which you believe to be inaccurate? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/wo...hp&oref=slogin |
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:31:25 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:15:39 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:52:42 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message om... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:30:49 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:mc2sl4tt7v5u388uqhdragm2tgs0novbb7@4ax .com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:15:16 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:opmql4ddpftn8a7qkqv6sa1reuj6hnuur8@4 ax.com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:03:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:i4kql49nqc2rohr9rm4mlfs5snrkqmdbbo @4ax.com... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:10:03 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:5leql41nfqmlh62bup84k14farj4ggdh ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:49:12 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message news:9crpl49k4608ilg3qus7rtgtr7duhm ... On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:56:26 -0500, John H penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:17:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message news:6inpl4dqaql6ds684kgn0ug14i9 ... On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:04:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 31 2008, 2:47 pm, John H wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:25:34 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: (considering what hasn't changed here in this NG) http://www.slate.com/id/2202423/pagenum/all/ Even though it was Bush's fault, Obama will have that fixed in no time. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Here's what I find odd. Seems that those who have already concluded that Obama is a bad president, even though he hasn't been in office yet, are the very same ones that didn't see that Bush would be a miserable failure, and STILL don't see it. Who has made conclusions that Obama will be a bad president? Bush wasn't a miserable failure. His accomplishments in Iraq and Afghanistan are remarkable. If it hadn't been for the Barney Frank crowd, he would have had a great economy going for him. John H Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. What country would you have had him 'punish'? 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were from one country. That country, to this day, broadcasts strong anti-American sentiment on their government owned radio. That same government, having close ties to the Bush administration, walked away from the mess, entirely unchallenged by the US government for their role in the death of 3,000 Americans. Their hands are just as dirty as Afghanistan's. In addition, although this country has claimed to arrest Al Qaeda operatives within their borders, I don't think any have been charged (or accused) of having terrorist targets *outside* of that country's borders. Afghanistan makes sense, but why punish Iraq and then let this country go free..... Doubters will attempt to trash the source of this information. That will be funny to watch, as the doubters try and rain disrespect all over OUR SOLDIERS, who uncovered the information about our so-called "allies", who provided the majority of foreign fighters who came to kill our soldiers. "The data come largely from a trove of documents and computers discovered in September, when American forces raided a tent camp in the desert near Sinjar, close to the Syrian border. The raid's target was an insurgent cell believed to be responsible for smuggling the vast majority of foreign fighters into Iraq. The most significant discovery was a collection of biographical sketches that listed hometowns and other details for more than 700 fighters brought into Iraq since August 2006." I suppose, using your logic, we should wreak havoc on Mexico from whence have come a whole passel of murderers, rapists, and other assorted felons. -- ** Good Day! ** John H Based on YOUR logic, we should've attacked Peru in retaliation for Pearl Harbor. Enuff. Bye. It's fun to scare you away like this. You can't face your own "logic", if you can call it logic. Doug. I've presented nothing. I've asked a question. You've still not answered it. It's been long enough since 9/11 for you to know who really attacked us. You really can't answer the question, can you? You don't know who attacked us. Suggestion: Move your TV set to the attic for a year. Football is rotting your brain, old soldier. Doug, have you ever noticed that many liberals, when asked a question, willl ignore the question, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? Here, oh brave man, "What country would you have had him 'punish'?" My goal at this point in the discussion is to find out if you can name the country which attacked us on 9/11. You may be avoiding the answer because you believe the attackers did not officially represent the country from which most of them originated. That's just an opinion which I do not share. So, let's keep it simple: Where did most of the attackers come from? "New Jersey", "Germany" or "Florida" are not permissible answers. Your statement: Too bad he failed to punish the country responsible for attacking us. My question: What country would you have had him 'punish'? OK - just out of curiosity, I'll name the country: Saudi Arabia. Now I'm curious to hear you explain why we could not have punished Saudi Arabia, because more than any other country you can name, they were responsible 9/11. Saudi Arabia was also responsible for sending more foreign fighters than any other into Iraq. Tell me why we could not have done to Saudi Arabia what we did to Iraq. Thank you. But, first things first. You seem to think that the government and people of a country are responsible and should be punished for the acts its current or former citizens against the citizens or properties of this county, whether or not those acts are sanctioned by the government of the country. The acts of the 9/11 thugs ***WERE*** sanctioned after the fact by the royal family, which, in case you don't know, are the entirety of the government of Saudi Arabia. That's hard for Americans to wrap their heads around because we have no such arrangement here. In the past, I've told you to read more, and you've provided some sort of nonsensical response. I'll try again. Get to your library: "...after the fact...." http://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Devil.../dp/1400050219 Now, this sounds like a book to put your faith in. "Most of the stories he extends are mostly stories either heard on the street or stuff he learned of from acquaintances. Such sources usually disfigure facts, if not totally make them up. Some of the stories sound more like weak plots for low-budget movies rather than real life incidents, such as the Million Dollars briefcase "accidentally" left behind by Khashoggi, a Saudi Billionaire, after meeting with Richard Nixon." And yet, Baer (whose experience dwarfs yours or mine) is considered a reliable authority on the issue. You will now ask who considers him a reliable authority. If you believe that we should 'punish' Saudi Arabia for the acts of a few of its current or former citizens, then that logic should be applied to any country from whence citizens have acted against the people or properties of this country. How about when the actions of one ruler do not represent the desires of his citizens? We don't need to pursue this idea any further, now do we? There have been many more than 18 murderers, rapists, plunderers, and pillagers who've illegally entered this country from Mexico. Using your logic, should we not wreak havoc on Mexico? Nice try. No....wait. Not even "nice". Lame. Doug, have you ever noticed that YOU, when asked a question, will ***ignore the question***, quickly change the subject, or begin with personal insults, rather than simply answer the question? Onward: Please provide your opinion on the information in this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/wo...hp&oref=slogin No, not 'onward'. Using your logic, should we not wreak havoc on Mexico? And, additionally, should we not 'punish' *any* country whose citizens or leaders expressed happiness after the 9/11 incident? |
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