On Dec 18, 11:23*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:





Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.

To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?

In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

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So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. *Nice car. *Not great mileage.- Hide quoted text -

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I looked at them a bit when trying to decide on an SUV or a truck. I
like them a lot! Fit and finish is decent, good warranty and quite
comfortable.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.

To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?

In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. Nice car. Not great
mileage.

They had a pretty good deal on 2008 Santa Fes here last month.
We thought it was a bit big for our needs.

On Dec 18, 8:04*pm, wrote:
On Dec 18, 7:54*pm, Jim wrote:





Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.

To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.

Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?

Is Harry a lesbian?

In my next life.

The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.

You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I looked them over real good before I decided on my truck. I really
like them. They are comfortable, good warranty, etc.

wrote:
On Dec 18, 11:23 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:





Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.
What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.
To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.
The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.
The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.
I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.
Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?
Is Harry a lesbian?
In my next life.
The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.
You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. Nice car. Not great mileage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I looked at them a bit when trying to decide on an SUV or a truck. I
like them a lot! Fit and finish is decent, good warranty and quite
comfortable.

The wife just bought a Jeep Patriot 4x2 2.4L. The seats are hard and
narrow. It does have a lot of head room. Feels voluminous for the front
guys in the front seats. The one thing I did insist on was the larger
engine, she is getting 24 in the city and 28 to 29 on the highway. The
CVT transmission loves cruise control.

The problem with vehicles in this class is that the third row seats are
for midgets and toddlers. Try getting into them and sitting in them for
30 minutes and see how you like it. They are more of a sales gimmick
than usable seats.

BAR wrote:
wrote:


The problem with vehicles in this class is that the third row seats are
for midgets and toddlers. Try getting into them and sitting in them for
30 minutes and see how you like it. They are more of a sales gimmick
than usable seats.


Ever try to sit in the "jump seats" in an Austin-Healey? :)

Gene wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:46:20 -0500, Boater
wrote:

BAR wrote:
wrote:
The problem with vehicles in this class is that the third row seats are
for midgets and toddlers. Try getting into them and sitting in them for
30 minutes and see how you like it. They are more of a sales gimmick
than usable seats.

Ever try to sit in the "jump seats" in an Austin-Healey? :)

When I had any interest, whatsoever, in a back seat.... the winner
was.......


.................a Rambler Rebel.



I was able to accomplish the task in the front seats of an MG-A and a
TR-4. I had a P544 Volvo for a while, one of my very favorite cars, and
its backseat was big enough for a menage a tois. I know that for a fact!

But I was very young then, and a lot more "bendable" than I am now. So
were the girls.

Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.
What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs
and my future needs.
To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.
The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.
The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.
I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.
Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?
Is Harry a lesbian?
In my next life.
The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.
You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. Nice car. Not great
mileage.

They had a pretty good deal on 2008 Santa Fes here last month.
We thought it was a bit big for our needs.

Was the price reduced by 20%. It is a 1 year old vehicle.

BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.
What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current
needs
and my future needs.
To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union
membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far superior
and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.
The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be
small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.
The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I
realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.
I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.
Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant
other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?
Is Harry a lesbian?
In my next life.
The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.
You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. Nice car. Not great
mileage.

They had a pretty good deal on 2008 Santa Fes here last month.
We thought it was a bit big for our needs.

Was the price reduced by 20%. It is a 1 year old vehicle.
Sounds logical but I've never been able to get the right discount and
also get them to eat the first year depreciation. I walhed away from a 6
figure deal because of that. Ended up buying something else from someone
else.

Jim wrote:
BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Dec 18, 7:54 pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will"
employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.
What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current
needs
and my future needs.
To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union
membership
and the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my
skilled union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my
benefits, but thanks to collective effort, they are far
superior and
at a lower price than I could have purchased individually. Plus,
they have been "portable," and not related to payroll employment I
have had since.
The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be
small,
but the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.
The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I
realized
for certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely
out of the market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my
buddies
took a real bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.
I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the
international union pension funds. They stopped investing in
stocks
about 25 years ago because no matter what they bought, someone
complained about the corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with
their portfolio, but I do know they keep well ahead of liabilities
for their current and future defined benefit pension holders.
Aren't you eligible to piggy back on your "wife'/Significant
other's"
benefit plan? Does her union recognize domestic partnerships for
benefit programs?
Is Harry a lesbian?
In my next life.
The pile of **** known as FloridaJim is so curious about me. Strange.
You certainly are strange. But you do have a certain perverse
entertainment value.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
So, what do you guys think of the Hyundai Santa Fe? I was looking at
them tonight. Like the stability control and the room in the back
seats.. The cockpit is a little tighter than the Blazer and I don't
like the automatic 4WD. You can't lock it in maually, the computer
does it when it needs it...

My daughter has a Santa Fe in 2 wheel drive. Nice car. Not great
mileage.

They had a pretty good deal on 2008 Santa Fes here last month.
We thought it was a bit big for our needs.

Was the price reduced by 20%. It is a 1 year old vehicle.
Sounds logical but I've never been able to get the right discount and
also get them to eat the first year depreciation. I walhed away from a 6
figure deal because of that. Ended up buying something else from someone
else.

All you are doing by buying last years model, of anything, without a
deep discount is paying for the dealer's inability to sell the item in a
timely manner.

When the wife bought her new Jeep they tried to get her to buy a 2008.
at full price. I asked them how much they would give her for it as a
trade in in two months. They wouldn't answer.

On Dec 19, 12:34*pm, Boater wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:46:20 -0500, Boater
wrote:

BAR wrote:
wrote:
The problem with vehicles in this class is that the third row seats are
for midgets and toddlers. Try getting into them and sitting in them for
30 minutes and see how you like it. They are more of a sales gimmick
than usable seats.

Ever try to sit in the "jump seats" in an Austin-Healey? * :)

When I had any interest, whatsoever, in a back seat.... the winner
was.......

.................a Rambler Rebel.

I was able to accomplish the task in the front seats of an MG-A and a
TR-4. I had a P544 Volvo for a while, one of my very favorite cars, and
its backseat was big enough for a menage a tois. I know that for a fact!

But I was very young then, and a lot more "bendable" than I am now. So
were the girls.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

All right, saved for when I call Karen!