Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST


Just heard that. The primary reason is because of inflated inventory of
unsold cars.

Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home, per
their contract.

The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. He stated that unless the
government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) that Chrysler
will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter 7 liquidation.

Ford has also announced production cutbacks.

Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.

Eisboch


That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.

"That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers
applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living."

Depends on what you mean by "adequate wage" and "decent living."


Around here the local factories pay maintenance workers something like
$18-22.00 hr. and are pretty well satisfied with it. . When the Ford
plant in St. Louis closed a couple years ago, a guy running a
pneumatic air wrench tightening lug nuts was making $34.00 an hr.

The maintenance workers in one place must attend seminars and
schooling (company paid, of course) on equipment repair and must sign
their names to maintenance procedures which are then signed by
supervisors so that machinery is maintained properly and by code.
the guy with the lug wrench has a lunch bucket.

So I look at it like this. One group isn't making enough, or the other
is making too much.

"Quite bitching about losing at the table. "

One is still going to work daily and the other one's plant got shut
down.

So who lost?

nada wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST


Just heard that. The primary reason is because of inflated inventory
of unsold cars.

Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home,
per their contract.

The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. He stated that unless
the government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) that
Chrysler will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter
7 liquidation.

Ford has also announced production cutbacks.

Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.

Eisboch

That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.

No one is owed a job for life.

If you give a days labor you get paid for a days labor. That's it.

On Dec 17, 10:19*pm, BAR wrote:
nada wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST

Just heard that. *The primary reason is because of inflated inventory
of unsold cars.

Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home,
per their contract.

The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. * He stated that unless
the government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) *that
Chrysler will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter
7 liquidation.

Ford has also announced production cutbacks.

Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.

Eisboch

That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.

No one is owed a job for life.

If you give a days labor you get paid for a days labor. That's it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This coming from a sock puppet... Whos probably never worked for a
days wages...... Too stupid to get a Union Job...so he's totally
against Unions.

wrote:
On Dec 17, 10:19 pm, BAR wrote:
nada wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST
Just heard that. The primary reason is because of inflated inventory
of unsold cars.
Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home,
per their contract.
The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. He stated that unless
the government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) that
Chrysler will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter
7 liquidation.
Ford has also announced production cutbacks.
Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.
Eisboch
That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.
No one is owed a job for life.

If you give a days labor you get paid for a days labor. That's it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This coming from a sock puppet... Whos probably never worked for a
days wages...... Too stupid to get a Union Job...so he's totally
against Unions.


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a
day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

On Dec 17, 10:48*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 17, 10:19 pm, BAR wrote:
nada wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST
Just heard that. *The primary reason is because of inflated inventory
of unsold cars.
Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home,
per their contract.
The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. * He stated that unless
the government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) *that
Chrysler will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter
7 liquidation.
Ford has also announced production cutbacks.
Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.
Eisboch
That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.
No one is owed a job for life.

If you give a days labor you get paid for a days labor. That's it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This coming from a sock puppet... Whos probably never worked for a
days wages...... Too stupid to get a Union Job...so he's totally
against Unions.

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a
day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When was the last time you worked for a living?

Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

When was the last time you worked for a living?


Every night, asshole. I haul the cars after they're made...but you
dont remember that, do you, Mr Sock Puppet.
The " Temp " office not called lately?

Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 17, 10:19 pm, BAR wrote:
nada wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST
Just heard that. The primary reason is because of inflated inventory
of unsold cars.
Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home,
per their contract.
The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. He stated that unless
the government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) that
Chrysler will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter
7 liquidation.
Ford has also announced production cutbacks.
Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.
Eisboch
That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed
what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks
made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.
No one is owed a job for life.

If you give a days labor you get paid for a days labor. That's it.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This coming from a sock puppet... Whos probably never worked for a
days wages...... Too stupid to get a Union Job...so he's totally
against Unions.


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a
day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs and
my future needs.

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:


Actually, he doesn't really have a job. He's an "at-will" employee, a
day worker, as it were, with no benefits whatsoever.

What benefits do I need? I take responsibility for my current needs and
my future needs.


To each his own. I am thankful for my many years of union membership and
the fact that I kept it up even though I haven't worked at my skilled
union trade for a long, long time. I've paid for my benefits, but thanks
to collective effort, they are far superior and at a lower price than I
could have purchased individually. Plus, they have been "portable," and
not related to payroll employment I have had since.

The pension I will be getting if ever I put in for it will be small, but
the health benefits all these years have been first-rate.

The best financial decision I ever made was the day after I realized for
certain "the stock market" was a fraud. I got almost entirely out of the
market then, and haven't looked back. Some of my buddies took a real
bath in their 401k accounts, and I feel for them.

I'm friendly with the head of investments at one of the international
union pension funds. They stopped investing in stocks about 25 years ago
because no matter what they bought, someone complained about the
corporation's behavior. I'm not familiar with their portfolio, but I do
know they keep well ahead of liabilities for their current and future
defined benefit pension holders.

wrote:
On Dec 17, 10:19 pm, BAR wrote:
nada wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Chrysler says to shut down all production for month
Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:27pm EST
Just heard that. The primary reason is because of inflated inventory
of unsold cars.
Interestingly, union workers will still be paid while they stay home,
per their contract.
The Chrysler CEO was just interviewed on CNN. He stated that unless
the government comes through soon with a bridge loan (bailout) that
Chrysler will most likely bypass Chapter 11 and go directly to Chapter
7 liquidation.
Ford has also announced production cutbacks.
Detroit is putting the pressure on the government to do something.
Eisboch
That's the employee's fault how? You did whatever. Auto workers applied
for auto mfg jobs. You resent anyone that labors, for a living getting
an adequate wage. In your world only stock swindlers and gamblers are
entitled to a decent living. Wall Street and Washington designed what we
get. Wall Street, ICE, and Global Banking swindlers and loan sharks made
the mess we are in. We bailed them out and the game continues. We are
waiting on the bill and can't afford a car and the bill too especially
when the jobs and technologies are no win India, China etc. They are
getting wage slave labor and they are reintroducing it to us, part time
no benefits, of course, for remaining jobs. The Hamptons and other in
spots are rocking, with our bailout money. Everybody else is waiting on
our Elected Officials to rectify the corruption and bring back America.
It ain't happening. They are just trying, to secure the Scoundrels
future, that did this to us. They otherwise are keeping silent because
they haven't got balls and an idea, of what to do, because it might
offend the Offenders. Welcome to Feudalism, of Globalism. We are about
to get an interjection, of Socialism, for us but they offenders are not
affected, that can bee seen yet. Neither one is what the Republic is
about. Quite bitching about losing at the table. Yale might be offering
remedial course on giving your cash, to the right Investment Banker and
which table, to play.
No one is owed a job for life.

If you give a days labor you get paid for a days labor. That's it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This coming from a sock puppet... Whos probably never worked for a
days wages...... Too stupid to get a Union Job...so he's totally
against Unions.

The last time I worked an hourly wage job was when I worked for
McDonalds in high school some 30 years ago.

I've worked white collar jobs ever since I was 17 years old.