Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on the beach.
I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to learn. No offense I hope.

--Mike


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
I really like the way it came out.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197bw.jpg

On Dec 16, 10:45*pm, "Mike" wrote:
Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on the beach..
I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to learn. No offense I hope.

--Mike

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:cpogk4h6rt110p9aigo5rs16mcscigli7s@4ax .com...



I really like the way it came out.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197bw.jpg- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I hate to pile on but I guess I don't get b&w for this subject either.
It reminds me of dazzle camouflage.

Now if there was a nekid woman in it...

Steve P.

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:45:51 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on the beach.
I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to learn. No offense I hope.

Neanderthal. :)

Here's the original converted from RAW (ORF) into .jpeg at high Q and
without editing.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197org.jpg

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:45:51 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on the beach.
I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to learn. No offense I hope.

Neanderthal. :)

Here's the original converted from RAW (ORF) into .jpeg at high Q and
without editing.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197org.jpg


Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

http://www.farnsworthhouse.org/photos.htm

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:47:26 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:45:51 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on the beach.
I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to learn. No offense I hope.

Neanderthal. :)

Here's the original converted from RAW (ORF) into .jpeg at high Q and
without editing.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197org.jpg


Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

http://www.farnsworthhouse.org/photos.htm

Tell you what Harry - you seem to be an expert on these things - I'll
give you password access to a directory on my web site just for you
and you can post your stuff there. All yours - you can post all your
best work for everybody to see and look at, comment on, etc.

Open offer - no strings.

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:47:26 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:45:51 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on the beach.
I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to learn. No offense I hope.
Neanderthal. :)

Here's the original converted from RAW (ORF) into .jpeg at high Q and
without editing.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197org.jpg

Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

http://www.farnsworthhouse.org/photos.htm

Tell you what Harry - you seem to be an expert on these things - I'll
give you password access to a directory on my web site just for you
and you can post your stuff there. All yours - you can post all your
best work for everybody to see and look at, comment on, etc.

Open offer - no strings.


Calm down, Tom. All I said was that I thought your original photo was
more, well, photogenic, than your Photoshopped versions. You seem to be
taking that as an insult, but it isn't. Think about it.

Did you bother to look at the photos of the Mies Farnsworth House? If
you did, you would have seen plain, simple, elegant design, unadorned,
and virtually impossible to improve upon. "Less is more." Do you think
that house needs to be Rococo-ized? Do you think Leonardo could have
improved on Mona Lisa by Photoshopping a different background?

I guess we have a totally different visual philosophy. I don't believe
nature needs a lot of improvement to be attractive. You do.

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:16:58 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:47:26 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:45:51 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on the beach.
I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to learn. No offense I hope.
Neanderthal. :)

Here's the original converted from RAW (ORF) into .jpeg at high Q and
without editing.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197org.jpg

Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

http://www.farnsworthhouse.org/photos.htm

Tell you what Harry - you seem to be an expert on these things - I'll
give you password access to a directory on my web site just for you
and you can post your stuff there. All yours - you can post all your
best work for everybody to see and look at, comment on, etc.

Open offer - no strings.

Calm down, Tom. All I said was that I thought your original photo was
more, well, photogenic, than your Photoshopped versions. You seem to be
taking that as an insult, but it isn't. Think about it.

Did you bother to look at the photos of the Mies Farnsworth House? If
you did, you would have seen plain, simple, elegant design, unadorned,
and virtually impossible to improve upon. "Less is more." Do you think
that house needs to be Rococo-ized? Do you think Leonardo could have
improved on Mona Lisa by Photoshopping a different background?

It's not the point - contempory modernism is a Scandinavian artistic
construct which came about as a sort of '40s era industrial simplicity
where form didn't always meet function from an esthetic sense. It was
totally sterile and uninteresting which is why it died a quick death
in the early '50s which ushered in the era of post-modern art and
architecture - form met function while being esthetically pleasing.

However, photography is an art form and as such, modernism produced
Pablo Picasso who over his career veered from Symbolist imagery to
Surrealism - all and any of which were never boring, sterile or
monotone in concept or execution and still called "modernist".

I guess we have a totally different visual philosophy. I don't believe
nature needs a lot of improvement to be attractive. You do.

I'm dead serious about this Harry. I really want to see your creative
side - see how you interpret your world visually.

Let's see your stuff - put it out there.

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:16:58 -0500, Boater
wrote:


Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

http://www.farnsworthhouse.org/photos.htm




However, photography is an art form and as such, modernism produced
Pablo Picasso who over his career veered from Symbolist imagery to
Surrealism - all and any of which were never boring, sterile or
monotone in concept or execution and still called "modernist".

Let's see your stuff - put it out there.


I don't know what all the fuss is about. Some pictures look very nice
natural. Some look very nice photoshopped. Personally, I have a lot of fun
with PaintShop Pro. Here's a modified picture taken of
a horse paddock that I modified in PSP to look like an oil painting. Both
the original photo and the "painting" look fine to me.

http://www.eisboch.com/paintshoppainting2.jpg

Eisboch

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:16:58 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:47:26 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:45:51 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on the beach.
I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to learn. No offense I hope.
Neanderthal. :)

Here's the original converted from RAW (ORF) into .jpeg at high Q and
without editing.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197org.jpg
Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

Most photographers call Harry's form of photography unimaginative snapshots

Here are some Quotes from a famous photographer who totally disagrees
with Harry's concept of photographer and art.



A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the
deepest sense, about what is being photographed.
Ansel Adams

A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into.
Ansel Adams

A true photograph need not be explained, nor can it be contained in words.
Ansel Adams

Dodging and burning are steps to take care of mistakes God made in
establishing tonal relationships.
Ansel Adams

I tried to keep both arts alive, but the camera won. I found that while
the camera does not express the soul, perhaps a photograph can!
Ansel Adams

In my mind's eye, I visualize how a particular... sight and feeling will
appear on a print. If it excites me, there is a good chance it will make
a good photograph. It is an intuitive sense, an ability that comes from
a lot of practice.
Ansel Adams

In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a
form of exploration.
Ansel Adams

It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the
environment.
Ansel Adams

It is my intention to present - through the medium of photography -
intuitive observations of the natural world which may have meaning to
the spectators.
Ansel Adams

Landscape photography is the supreme test of the photographer - and
often the supreme disappointment.
Ansel Adams

Millions of men have lived to fight, build palaces and boundaries, shape
destinies and societies; but the compelling force of all times has been
the force of originality and creation profoundly affecting the roots of
human spirit.
Ansel Adams

Myths and creeds are heroic struggles to comprehend the truth in the world.
Ansel Adams

No man has the right to dictate what other men should perceive, create
or produce, but all should be encouraged to reveal themselves, their
perceptions and emotions, and to build confidence in the creative spirit.
Ansel Adams

Not everybody trusts paintings but people believe photographs.
Ansel Adams

Photography is more than a medium for factual communication of ideas. It
is a creative art.
Ansel Adams

Photography, as a powerful medium of expression and communications,
offers an infinite variety of perception, interpretation and execution.
Ansel Adams

Some photographers take reality... and impose the domination of their
own thought and spirit. Others come before reality more tenderly and a
photograph to them is an instrument of love and revelation.
Ansel Adams

Sometimes I do get to places just when God's ready to have somebody
click the shutter.
Ansel Adams

The negative is comparable to the composer's score and the print to its
performance. Each performance differs in subtle ways.
Ansel Adams

The negative is the equivalent of the composer's score, and the print
the performance.
Ansel Adams

The only things in my life that compatibly exists with this grand
universe are the creative works of the human spirit.
Ansel Adams

There are always two people in every pictu the photographer and the
viewer.
Ansel Adams

There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs.
Ansel Adams

There are worlds of experience beyond the world of the aggressive man,
beyond history, and beyond science. The moods and qualities of nature
and the revelations of great art are equally difficult to define; we can
grasp them only in the depths of our perceptive spirit.
Ansel Adams

There is nothing worse than a brilliant image of a fuzzy concept.
Ansel Adams

There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept.
Ansel Adams

These people live again in print as intensely as when their images were
captured on old dry plates of sixty years ago... I am walking in their
alleys, standing in their rooms and sheds and workshops, looking in and
out of their windows. Any they in turn seem to be aware of me.
Ansel Adams

To photograph truthfully and effectively is to see beneath the surfaces
and record the qualities of nature and humanity which live or are latent
in all things.
Ansel Adams

Twelve significant photographs in any one year is a good crop.
Ansel Adams

We must remember that a photograph can hold just as much as we put into
it, and no one has ever approached the full possibilities of the medium.
Ansel Adams

When I'm ready to make a photograph, I think I quite obviously see in my
minds eye something that is not literally there in the true meaning of
the word. I'm interested in something which is built up from within,
rather than just extracted from without.
Ansel Adams

When words become unclear, I shall focus with photographs. When images
become inadequate, I shall be content with silence.
Ansel Adams

Yosemite Valley, to me, is always a sunrise, a glitter of green and
golden wonder in a vast edifice of stone and space.
Ansel Adams

You don't take a photograph, you make it.

On Dec 17, 7:58*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:16:58 -0500, Boater
wrote:





Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:47:26 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:45:51 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on the beach.
I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to learn. No offense I hope.
Neanderthal. *:)

Here's the original converted from RAW (ORF) into .jpeg at high Q and
without editing.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197org.jpg

Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

http://www.farnsworthhouse.org/photos.htm

Tell you what Harry - you seem to be an expert on these things - I'll
give you password access to a directory on my web site just for you
and you can post your stuff there. *All yours - you can post all your
best work for everybody to see and look at, comment on, etc.

Open offer - no strings.

Calm down, Tom. All I said was that I thought your original photo was
more, well, photogenic, than your Photoshopped versions. You seem to be
taking that as an insult, but it isn't. Think about it.

Did you bother to look at the photos of the Mies Farnsworth House? If
you did, you would have seen plain, simple, elegant design, unadorned,
and virtually impossible to improve upon. "Less is more." Do you think
that house needs to be Rococo-ized? Do you think Leonardo could have
improved on Mona Lisa by Photoshopping a different background?

It's not the point - contempory modernism is a Scandinavian artistic
construct which came about as a sort of '40s era industrial simplicity
where form didn't always meet function from an esthetic sense. *It was
totally sterile and uninteresting which is why it died a quick death
in the early '50s which ushered in the era of post-modern art and
architecture - form met function while being esthetically pleasing.

However, photography is an art form and as such, modernism produced
Pablo Picasso who over his career veered from Symbolist imagery to
Surrealism - all and any of which were never boring, sterile or
monotone in concept or execution and still called "modernist".

I guess we have a totally different visual philosophy. I don't believe
nature needs a lot of improvement to be attractive. You do.

I'm dead serious about this Harry. I really want to see your creative
side - see how you interpret your world visually.

Let's see your stuff - put it out there.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's not that I like the original better but looking at the b&w
version I just felt a real disconnect from what I envisioned of the
actual scene. Maybe that's what you were shooting for. If so it
worked.

I shot a bunch of pictures during the recent ice storm here. Here are
a few unedited images that I like and might try to tweak. Anyone think
they are worth it or should they go in the recycle bin?

Steve P.