Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:16:58 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:47:26 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:45:51 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on the beach.
I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to learn. No offense I hope.
Neanderthal. :)

Here's the original converted from RAW (ORF) into .jpeg at high Q and
without editing.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197org.jpg
Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

Most photographers call Harry's form of photography unimaginative snapshots

Here are some Quotes from a famous photographer who totally disagrees
with Harry's concept of photographer and art.



A great photograph is one that fully expresses what one feels, in the
deepest sense, about what is being photographed.
Ansel Adams

A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into.
Ansel Adams

A true photograph need not be explained, nor can it be contained in words.
Ansel Adams

Dodging and burning are steps to take care of mistakes God made in
establishing tonal relationships.
Ansel Adams

I tried to keep both arts alive, but the camera won. I found that while
the camera does not express the soul, perhaps a photograph can!
Ansel Adams

In my mind's eye, I visualize how a particular... sight and feeling will
appear on a print. If it excites me, there is a good chance it will make
a good photograph. It is an intuitive sense, an ability that comes from
a lot of practice.
Ansel Adams

In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a
form of exploration.
Ansel Adams

It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the
environment.
Ansel Adams

It is my intention to present - through the medium of photography -
intuitive observations of the natural world which may have meaning to
the spectators.
Ansel Adams

Landscape photography is the supreme test of the photographer - and
often the supreme disappointment.
Ansel Adams

Millions of men have lived to fight, build palaces and boundaries, shape
destinies and societies; but the compelling force of all times has been
the force of originality and creation profoundly affecting the roots of
human spirit.
Ansel Adams

Myths and creeds are heroic struggles to comprehend the truth in the world.
Ansel Adams

No man has the right to dictate what other men should perceive, create
or produce, but all should be encouraged to reveal themselves, their
perceptions and emotions, and to build confidence in the creative spirit.
Ansel Adams

Not everybody trusts paintings but people believe photographs.
Ansel Adams

Photography is more than a medium for factual communication of ideas. It
is a creative art.
Ansel Adams

Photography, as a powerful medium of expression and communications,
offers an infinite variety of perception, interpretation and execution.
Ansel Adams

Some photographers take reality... and impose the domination of their
own thought and spirit. Others come before reality more tenderly and a
photograph to them is an instrument of love and revelation.
Ansel Adams

Sometimes I do get to places just when God's ready to have somebody
click the shutter.
Ansel Adams

The negative is comparable to the composer's score and the print to its
performance. Each performance differs in subtle ways.
Ansel Adams

The negative is the equivalent of the composer's score, and the print
the performance.
Ansel Adams

The only things in my life that compatibly exists with this grand
universe are the creative works of the human spirit.
Ansel Adams

There are always two people in every pictu the photographer and the
viewer.
Ansel Adams

There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs.
Ansel Adams

There are worlds of experience beyond the world of the aggressive man,
beyond history, and beyond science. The moods and qualities of nature
and the revelations of great art are equally difficult to define; we can
grasp them only in the depths of our perceptive spirit.
Ansel Adams

There is nothing worse than a brilliant image of a fuzzy concept.
Ansel Adams

There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept.
Ansel Adams

These people live again in print as intensely as when their images were
captured on old dry plates of sixty years ago... I am walking in their
alleys, standing in their rooms and sheds and workshops, looking in and
out of their windows. Any they in turn seem to be aware of me.
Ansel Adams

To photograph truthfully and effectively is to see beneath the surfaces
and record the qualities of nature and humanity which live or are latent
in all things.
Ansel Adams

Twelve significant photographs in any one year is a good crop.
Ansel Adams

We must remember that a photograph can hold just as much as we put into
it, and no one has ever approached the full possibilities of the medium.
Ansel Adams

When I'm ready to make a photograph, I think I quite obviously see in my
minds eye something that is not literally there in the true meaning of
the word. I'm interested in something which is built up from within,
rather than just extracted from without.
Ansel Adams

When words become unclear, I shall focus with photographs. When images
become inadequate, I shall be content with silence.
Ansel Adams

Yosemite Valley, to me, is always a sunrise, a glitter of green and
golden wonder in a vast edifice of stone and space.
Ansel Adams

You don't take a photograph, you make it.

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:03:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:16:58 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

http://www.farnsworthhouse.org/photos.htm



However, photography is an art form and as such, modernism produced
Pablo Picasso who over his career veered from Symbolist imagery to
Surrealism - all and any of which were never boring, sterile or
monotone in concept or execution and still called "modernist".

Let's see your stuff - put it out there.


I don't know what all the fuss is about. Some pictures look very nice
natural. Some look very nice photoshopped. Personally, I have a lot of
fun with PaintShop Pro. Here's a modified picture taken of
a horse paddock that I modified in PSP to look like an oil painting.
Both the original photo and the "painting" look fine to me.

http://www.eisboch.com/paintshoppainting2.jpg

Eisboch


Great frame!


I agree with your point.

I am going to break my self-imposed rule here by posting these, but here's a
couple of "natural" pictures of our barn and house that I think came out
pretty good. They are not artistic statements, but I just like them.
They were taken late in the daytime, so the afternoon shadows and
directional lighting are coming into play.

Nikon D70s with "borrowed" Mrs.E. lens. All I have done was to resize them
in InfranView to a manageable size for posting on the website.

http://www.eisboch.com/largebarn.jpg

http://www.eisboch.com/barnandhouse.jpg

Eisboch



Lview has some great cropping tools, and a 'custom/fine rotation' tool that
allows you to 'level' a picture. Try the 'paint' tool and put some grass
over all that driveway!
--

John Salmonbait

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I really like the way it came out.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197bw.jpg

I love the mood you captured in this photo. If also like the isolated
tuft of dune grass. I would really enjoy seeing a photo that the
majority of the photo was of the fence shadows, and you could only see
the one tuft of grass, without all the grass in the upper left.

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:16:58 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

http://www.farnsworthhouse.org/photos.htm


However, photography is an art form and as such, modernism produced
Pablo Picasso who over his career veered from Symbolist imagery to
Surrealism - all and any of which were never boring, sterile or
monotone in concept or execution and still called "modernist".

Let's see your stuff - put it out there.

I don't know what all the fuss is about. Some pictures look very nice
natural. Some look very nice photoshopped. Personally, I have a lot of
fun with PaintShop Pro. Here's a modified picture taken of
a horse paddock that I modified in PSP to look like an oil painting.
Both the original photo and the "painting" look fine to me.

http://www.eisboch.com/paintshoppainting2.jpg

Eisboch

Great frame!


I agree with your point.

I am going to break my self-imposed rule here by posting these, but here's a
couple of "natural" pictures of our barn and house that I think came out
pretty good. They are not artistic statements, but I just like them.
They were taken late in the daytime, so the afternoon shadows and
directional lighting are coming into play.

Nikon D70s with "borrowed" Mrs.E. lens. All I have done was to resize them
in InfranView to a manageable size for posting on the website.

http://www.eisboch.com/largebarn.jpg

http://www.eisboch.com/barnandhouse.jpg

Eisboch





It's the Ponderosa! I like your photos...how about some new shots of
Sam Adams?

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Here are some Quotes from a famous photographer who totally disagrees
with Harry's concept of photographer and art.


Ahhh, Reggie...another of the OBsessed with Harry Assholes.

Boater wrote:
John wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:16:58 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:47:26 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:45:51 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Sorry, but it does nothing for me. It looks like prison bars on
the beach. I'm certainly no expert though, and I'm willing to
learn. No offense I hope.
Neanderthal. :)

Here's the original converted from RAW (ORF) into .jpeg at high Q and
without editing.

http://www.swsports.org/Photography/_C050197org.jpg
Much more interesting photo in original form.

Remember Mies..."Less is more." That holds true for photo
post-processing, too.

http://www.farnsworthhouse.org/photos.htm
Tell you what Harry - you seem to be an expert on these things - I'll
give you password access to a directory on my web site just for you
and you can post your stuff there. All yours - you can post all your
best work for everybody to see and look at, comment on, etc.

Open offer - no strings.

Calm down, Tom. All I said was that I thought your original photo was
more, well, photogenic, than your Photoshopped versions. You seem to
be taking that as an insult, but it isn't. Think about it.

Did you bother to look at the photos of the Mies Farnsworth House? If
you did, you would have seen plain, simple, elegant design,
unadorned, and virtually impossible to improve upon. "Less is more."
Do you think that house needs to be Rococo-ized? Do you think
Leonardo could have improved on Mona Lisa by Photoshopping a
different background?

I guess we have a totally different visual philosophy. I don't
believe nature needs a lot of improvement to be attractive. You do.


You know, Harry, I wouldn't be surprised if even your *comments* about
the
work of others is a cut'n'paste from somewhere.

Do you think stealing the work of others makes you an expert?

Yes, you and Tom have different philosophies. He takes his own pictures.

Try it, take him up on his offer. Post some of your 'good' stuff
(actually
taken by you). Or, as has been said, STFU.


Fourth post of the day from the asshole Herring, and the third insult of
his today aimed my way.

He's not too obsessed, is he? :?

Based upon your definition of obsession, you are obsessed with more
people than the rest of rec.boats combined.

"Boater" wrote in message
...

It's the Ponderosa! I like your photos...how about some new shots of Sam
Adams?

He's a bit self conscious right now. Put on a few pounds since the end of
the summer.
Mrs.E. has him on a strict diet and he's a bit moody.

Eisboch

Boater wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Here are some Quotes from a famous photographer who totally disagrees
with Harry's concept of photographer and art.


Ahhh, Reggie...another of the OBsessed with Harry Assholes.


You don't take a photograph, you make it.

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:16:50 -0500, Boater wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Here are some Quotes from a famous photographer who totally disagrees
with Harry's concept of photographer and art.


Ahhh, Reggie...another of the OBsessed with Harry Assholes.

Who is Harry Asshole?
--

John Salmonbait

John wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:16:50 -0500, Boater wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Here are some Quotes from a famous photographer who totally disagrees
with Harry's concept of photographer and art.

Ahhh, Reggie...another of the OBsessed with Harry Assholes.

Who is Harry Asshole?
--

John Salmonbait

His name is not Harry Asshole, according to Boater's post, his name is
Harry Assholes. I really don't know who he is, we used to have a
regular who posted under the name Harry Krause, but I don't know who
Harry Assholes is.

This boater guy does seem very obsessed with most of the people in
rec.boats. He makes more negative posts about other people than
everyone else combined. I think he suffers from low self esteem and
shows classic symptoms of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. He also uses
the name hk and HK.