On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:48:09 -0500, Boater wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:54:29 -0500, Boater wrote:

CalifBill wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
Dry firing a double action revolver is a good way to learn how to
control
the trigger finger. I was taught to do so by one of my cop brothers
while
on a firing range. It makes firing the revolver a distinctly two step
pull
of the trigger finger and greatly helps accuracy.
--
John H.
Use a snap cap when practicing.
I wonder what you guys think the business end of a firing pin hits when
there is no round in the chamber of most centerfire semi-autos?

I know what it hits in my SIG when there is no round chambered.

Nothing.

:)

I'll leave it to the gun geniuses in here to figure out why.


It is not a repeated over and over movement. Bigger problem is the hammer
incorporating the firing pin.



Oh, really? Gee, on my SIG the hammer doesn't "incorporate" anything
except itself. It kinda sticks "out there" on the back of the pistol. It
is a lever. Now, a lot of semi-autos don't have external hammers. GLOCKs
don't.

Here's an animation of a more simplified process. If there is no round
in the chamber, the firing pin strikes...nothing. If it strikes nothing,
it is unlikely to "break" during a dry fire.


http://www.m1911.org/images/searanimHR.gif


Here's an animation of a GLOCK:

http://www.sniperworld.com/content.a...ld_Glock_Index


You can see that if there is no round in the GLOCK, the firing pin
strikes...nothing.


Next?

Is there some reason to dry fire your Sig? While on the telephone? Does it
make you a better in-home shooter?


You never know when you're going to need to shoot the telephone.

*I* know.

Perhaps *you* don't know.
--
John H.

On Dec 6, 7:47*am, JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:54:29 -0500, Boater wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
Dry firing a double action revolver is a good way to learn how to
control
the trigger finger. I was taught to do so by one of my cop brothers
while
on a firing range. It makes firing the revolver a distinctly two step
pull
of the trigger finger and greatly helps accuracy.
--
John H.
Use a snap cap when practicing.

I wonder what you guys think the business end of a firing pin hits when
there is no round in the chamber of most centerfire semi-autos?

I know what it hits in my SIG when there is no round chambered.

Nothing.

:)

I'll leave it to the gun geniuses in here to figure out why.

It is not a repeated over and over movement. *Bigger problem is the hammer
incorporating the firing pin.

Oh, really? Gee, on my SIG the hammer doesn't "incorporate" anything
except itself. It kinda sticks "out there" on the back of the pistol. It
is a lever. Now, a lot of semi-autos don't have external hammers. GLOCKs
don't.

Here's an animation of a more simplified process. If there is no round
in the chamber, the firing pin strikes...nothing. If it strikes nothing,
it is unlikely to "break" during a dry fire.

http://www.m1911.org/images/searanimHR.gif

Here's an animation of a GLOCK:

http://www.sniperworld.com/content.a...ld_Glock_Index

You can see that if there is no round in the GLOCK, the firing pin
strikes...nothing.

Next?

Is there some reason to dry fire your Sig? While on the telephone? Does it
make you a better in-home shooter?
--
John H.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That was my point, why would any responsible gun owner "play" with his
weapon while he was talking on the phone. Remember, afaik, this owner
was only doing it to boost his ego. I still wonder what could have
happened if it were the kind of "unloaded" gun that kills so many
people every year in the US and around the world.

wrote:
On Dec 6, 7:47 am, JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:54:29 -0500, Boater wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
Dry firing a double action revolver is a good way to learn how to
control
the trigger finger. I was taught to do so by one of my cop brothers
while
on a firing range. It makes firing the revolver a distinctly two step
pull
of the trigger finger and greatly helps accuracy.
--
John H.
Use a snap cap when practicing.
I wonder what you guys think the business end of a firing pin hits when
there is no round in the chamber of most centerfire semi-autos?
I know what it hits in my SIG when there is no round chambered.
Nothing.
:)
I'll leave it to the gun geniuses in here to figure out why.
It is not a repeated over and over movement. Bigger problem is the hammer
incorporating the firing pin.
Oh, really? Gee, on my SIG the hammer doesn't "incorporate" anything
except itself. It kinda sticks "out there" on the back of the pistol. It
is a lever. Now, a lot of semi-autos don't have external hammers. GLOCKs
don't.
Here's an animation of a more simplified process. If there is no round
in the chamber, the firing pin strikes...nothing. If it strikes nothing,
it is unlikely to "break" during a dry fire.
http://www.m1911.org/images/searanimHR.gif
Here's an animation of a GLOCK:
http://www.sniperworld.com/content.a...ld_Glock_Index
You can see that if there is no round in the GLOCK, the firing pin
strikes...nothing.
Next?
Is there some reason to dry fire your Sig? While on the telephone? Does it
make you a better in-home shooter?
--
John H.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That was my point, why would any responsible gun owner "play" with his
weapon while he was talking on the phone. Remember, afaik, this owner
was only doing it to boost his ego. I still wonder what could have
happened if it were the kind of "unloaded" gun that kills so many
people every year in the US and around the world.


I suspect if it were, it would have been at your house, since you
present as the really careless type. I never let my kids race motorcycles.

wrote:


That was my point, why would any responsible gun owner "play" with his
weapon while he was talking on the phone. Remember, afaik, this owner
was only doing it to boost his ego. I still wonder what could have
happened if it were the kind of "unloaded" gun that kills so many
people every year in the US and around the world.


Actually, it was me. You called, remember, right after you tried to
spread some bull**** here about me not owning a handgun. So I said to
you, "Hey, schitt for brains...you recognize this sound?" And I racked
the slide for you.

You recognized the sound all right.

snerk

I don't usually play with my guns, Scotty.

What I was offering up was a little entertainment for the feeble-minded.

That would be...you.

On Dec 6, 9:14*am, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 6, 7:47 am, JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:54:29 -0500, Boater wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
Dry firing a double action revolver is a good way to learn how to
control
the trigger finger. I was taught to do so by one of my cop brothers
while
on a firing range. It makes firing the revolver a distinctly two step
pull
of the trigger finger and greatly helps accuracy.
--
John H.
Use a snap cap when practicing.
I wonder what you guys think the business end of a firing pin hits when
there is no round in the chamber of most centerfire semi-autos?
I know what it hits in my SIG when there is no round chambered.
Nothing.
:)
I'll leave it to the gun geniuses in here to figure out why.
It is not a repeated over and over movement. *Bigger problem is the hammer
incorporating the firing pin.
Oh, really? Gee, on my SIG the hammer doesn't "incorporate" anything
except itself. It kinda sticks "out there" on the back of the pistol. It
is a lever. Now, a lot of semi-autos don't have external hammers. GLOCKs
don't.
Here's an animation of a more simplified process. If there is no round
in the chamber, the firing pin strikes...nothing. If it strikes nothing,
it is unlikely to "break" during a dry fire.
http://www.m1911.org/images/searanimHR.gif
Here's an animation of a GLOCK:
http://www.sniperworld.com/content.a...ld_Glock_Index
You can see that if there is no round in the GLOCK, the firing pin
strikes...nothing.
Next?
Is there some reason to dry fire your Sig? While on the telephone? Does it
make you a better in-home shooter?
--
John H.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That was my point, why would any responsible gun owner "play" with his
weapon while he was talking on the phone. Remember, afaik, this owner
was only doing it to boost his ego. I still wonder what could have
happened if it were the kind of "unloaded" gun that kills so many
people every year in the US and around the world.

I suspect if it were, it would have been at your house, since you
present as the really careless type. I never let my kids race motorcycles..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, my kid races, she doesn't play.. She is a member of the AMA and
races in sanctioned races, on professional tracks, she never plays in
the woods or in unsanctioned areas or events. You go out to
unsanctioned areas and carelessly shoot at stumps and who knows what,
you also "play" with your weapons in the house, I am sure you don't
have a professional range or any kind of sanctioned shooting area in
your rented house... you are an idiot, my kid is on her way to
becoming a professonal...

On Dec 6, 9:18*am, Boater wrote:
wrote:

That was my point, why would any responsible gun owner "play" with his
weapon while he was talking on the phone. Remember, afaik, this owner
was only doing it to boost his ego. I still wonder what could have
happened if it were the kind of "unloaded" gun that kills so many
people every year in the US and around the world.

Actually, it was me. You called, remember, right after you tried to
spread some bull**** here about me not owning a handgun. So I said to
you, "Hey, schitt for brains...you recognize this sound?" And I racked
the slide for you.

You recognized the sound all right.

*snerk

I don't usually play with my guns, Scotty.

What I was offering up was a little entertainment for the feeble-minded.

That would be...you.

I called to let you know I was not the one who spread your persoanl
info on the net... and you not only racked it, but you dry fired it
too... Either way, you play with guns, that is stupid...

Boater wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
Dry firing a double action revolver is a good way to learn how to
control
the trigger finger. I was taught to do so by one of my cop brothers
while
on a firing range. It makes firing the revolver a distinctly two
step pull
of the trigger finger and greatly helps accuracy.
--
John H.
Use a snap cap when practicing.

I wonder what you guys think the business end of a firing pin hits
when there is no round in the chamber of most centerfire semi-autos?

I know what it hits in my SIG when there is no round chambered.

Nothing.

:)

I'll leave it to the gun geniuses in here to figure out why.



It is not a repeated over and over movement. Bigger problem is the
hammer incorporating the firing pin.



Oh, really? Gee, on my SIG the hammer doesn't "incorporate" anything
except itself. It kinda sticks "out there" on the back of the pistol. It
is a lever. Now, a lot of semi-autos don't have external hammers. GLOCKs
don't.

Here's an animation of a more simplified process. If there is no round
in the chamber, the firing pin strikes...nothing. If it strikes nothing,
it is unlikely to "break" during a dry fire.


http://www.m1911.org/images/searanimHR.gif


Here's an animation of a GLOCK:

http://www.sniperworld.com/content.a...ld_Glock_Index


You can see that if there is no round in the GLOCK, the firing pin
strikes...nothing.


Next?

The tip of the firing pin strikes nothing, what happens to the shoulders
of the firing pin do they hit anything? The firing pin is not just a rod
it is a machined part.

Let me go and disassemble my M1911 and take out the firing pin and look
at it.

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
Dry firing a double action revolver is a good way to learn how to
control
the trigger finger. I was taught to do so by one of my cop
brothers while
on a firing range. It makes firing the revolver a distinctly two
step pull
of the trigger finger and greatly helps accuracy.
--
John H.
Use a snap cap when practicing.

I wonder what you guys think the business end of a firing pin hits
when there is no round in the chamber of most centerfire semi-autos?

I know what it hits in my SIG when there is no round chambered.

Nothing.

:)

I'll leave it to the gun geniuses in here to figure out why.



It is not a repeated over and over movement. Bigger problem is the
hammer incorporating the firing pin.



Oh, really? Gee, on my SIG the hammer doesn't "incorporate" anything
except itself. It kinda sticks "out there" on the back of the pistol.
It is a lever. Now, a lot of semi-autos don't have external hammers.
GLOCKs don't.

Here's an animation of a more simplified process. If there is no round
in the chamber, the firing pin strikes...nothing. If it strikes
nothing, it is unlikely to "break" during a dry fire.


http://www.m1911.org/images/searanimHR.gif


Here's an animation of a GLOCK:

http://www.sniperworld.com/content.a...ld_Glock_Index


You can see that if there is no round in the GLOCK, the firing pin
strikes...nothing.


Next?

The tip of the firing pin strikes nothing, what happens to the shoulders
of the firing pin do they hit anything? The firing pin is not just a rod
it is a machined part.

Let me go and disassemble my M1911 and take out the firing pin and look
at it.


All that protrudes on my SIG is the pin that hits the primer. If there
is no round in the chamber, there is nothing for the pin to strike. It
wasn't an issue on the GLOCKs I've field stripped.

I have no familiarity with the "innards" of 1911s.

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
Dry firing a double action revolver is a good way to learn how
to control
the trigger finger. I was taught to do so by one of my cop
brothers while
on a firing range. It makes firing the revolver a distinctly two
step pull
of the trigger finger and greatly helps accuracy.
--
John H.
Use a snap cap when practicing.

I wonder what you guys think the business end of a firing pin hits
when there is no round in the chamber of most centerfire semi-autos?

I know what it hits in my SIG when there is no round chambered.

Nothing.

:)

I'll leave it to the gun geniuses in here to figure out why.



It is not a repeated over and over movement. Bigger problem is the
hammer incorporating the firing pin.



Oh, really? Gee, on my SIG the hammer doesn't "incorporate" anything
except itself. It kinda sticks "out there" on the back of the pistol.
It is a lever. Now, a lot of semi-autos don't have external hammers.
GLOCKs don't.

Here's an animation of a more simplified process. If there is no
round in the chamber, the firing pin strikes...nothing. If it strikes
nothing, it is unlikely to "break" during a dry fire.


http://www.m1911.org/images/searanimHR.gif


Here's an animation of a GLOCK:

http://www.sniperworld.com/content.a...ld_Glock_Index


You can see that if there is no round in the GLOCK, the firing pin
strikes...nothing.


Next?

The tip of the firing pin strikes nothing, what happens to the
shoulders of the firing pin do they hit anything? The firing pin is
not just a rod it is a machined part.

Let me go and disassemble my M1911 and take out the firing pin and
look at it.


All that protrudes on my SIG is the pin that hits the primer. If there
is no round in the chamber, there is nothing for the pin to strike. It
wasn't an issue on the GLOCKs I've field stripped.

I have no familiarity with the "innards" of 1911s.

Just like you to see only what's on the surface and not worry about
what's underneath.

(BAR)wrote
Boater wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
Dry firing a double action revolver is a good way to learn how to
control
the trigger finger. I was taught to do so by one of my cop brothers
while
on a firing range. It makes firing the revolver a distinctly two step
pull
of the trigger finger and greatly helps accuracy.
--
John H.
Use a snap cap when practicing.
I wonder what you guys think the business end of a firing pin hits when
there is no round in the chamber of most centerfire semi-autos?
I know what it hits in my SIG when there is no round chambered.
Nothing.
I'll leave it to the gun geniuses in here to figure out why.
It is not a repeated over and over movement. Bigger problem is the
hammer incorporating the firing pin.
Oh, really? Gee, on my SIG the hammer doesn't "incorporate" anything
except itself. It kinda sticks "out there" on the back of the pistol. It
is a lever. Now, a lot of semi-autos don't have external hammers. GLOCKs
don't.
Here's an animation of a more simplified process. If there is no round
in the chamber, the firing pin strikes...nothing. If it strikes nothing,
it is unlikely to "break" during a dry fire.
http://www.m1911.org/images/searanimHR.gif
Here's an animation of a GLOCK:
http://www.sniperworld.com/content.a...ld_Glock_Index
You can see that if there is no round in the GLOCK, the firing pin
strikes...nothing.
Next?

The tip of the firing pin strikes nothing, what happens to the shoulders
of the firing pin do they hit anything? The firing pin is not just a rod
it is a machined part.
Let me go and disassemble my M1911 and take out the firing pin and look
at it.

I don't shoot Glocks or Sigs, and never really cared for them too much,
just a preference.
Dry firing a 1911 doesn't really matter to much on the pin itself, but
its a good way to flatten out the firing pin spring prematurely.
For the most part, snaps caps used in semi autos are for teaching
purposes, Staggered in the magazine. They're primarly used to show the
shooter when flinching.
Same can be done with revolvers, but I stand by my earlier statement
that its not a good idea to dry fire revolvers with spurred hammers
without snap caps, again not so much because of the firing pin itself,
but the roll pin.
I'm done. UD