"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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If GM goes belly up, I wonder how that will affect Canada. Haven't
seen anything about this.
Seem like some - maybe all - of the best-selling GM vehicles are made
in Canada.
Here's some:
Buick Allure and Buick LaCrosse
Chevrolet Equinox
Chevrolet Impala
Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra
Pontiac Grand Prix
Pontiac Montana SV6
Pontiac Torrent
General Motors of Canada Ltd is owned by GM of Detroit.
If that is sold to Canadians, there may not be a serious interruption
of much of GM vehicle production.
I think the Impala is a top-seller after the pickups.
Was laughing with the wife a couple days ago at all the Impalas that
were passing us on I-55. It was by far the most common car we saw
on a 5600 mile trip.
As I said once before, I consider Canadian-built cars "Foreign."
Believe my Lumina is Canada-built. Bought it used, but I still don't
like that. Just don't care for Caddies. If I were to buy new, it
would have to be U.S-built.
BTW, I know the difficulty of finding out what is U.S. sourced, as I
watched Wall Street interests lobby and succeed at removing country of
origin labeling during the pat two decades or so.
You guys know some of your foodstuffs are coming from China, right?
Wonder how the CAW wages are, and if General Motors of Canada Ltd
has an advantage due to the national health care up there.
Lots of interesting twists and turns not apparent in most discussions
going on here.
What I think, and I still don't see anybody seriously addressing it,
is that a country can't consume more than it produces without sliding
downhill. It was interesting that while the article Eisboch recently
posted rightly pointed out the recent economic meltdown can easily
be traced to Clinton policies, and likewise mentioned trade deficit
increases as a contributing factor, they were too busy pointing
fingers at Clinton to the heart of the matter, which are the trade
deficits. That's what led to excessive borrowing.
"You can't consume more than you produce."
They just don't get it, and still believe the Reagan-era bull****
about Wall Street "creating" wealth.
Workers create wealth. Wall street just moves it around.
Chinese workers are creating wealth, and they will soon call in the
American IOU's. The free ride is over.
Socialism won't be fun. But until we get our factories going again,
that's what we'll have. A damn welfare state.
Thank you Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, GW Bush, Wall Street,
and consumers who didn't think buying American mattered.

--Vic


We're hearing a lot of the same scare rumours that you do.
Our auto industry is centralized in Ontario and Quebec...where about half
the country and votes reside.
GM/Ford/Chrysler will get soething no doubt.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...116?hub=Canada

BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop the
price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:



BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop the
price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....

I posted to rec.autos.gm about this, and a Cannuck who works at the
Oshawa plant said Impala sales were actually up. I saw a slew of them
on a recent road trip.
Much is up in the air, and nobody has a clue what will happen.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop the
price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....

I posted to rec.autos.gm about this, and a Cannuck who works at the
Oshawa plant said Impala sales were actually up. I saw a slew of them
on a recent road trip.
Much is up in the air, and nobody has a clue what will happen.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Vic


If you needed a new car right now, would you buy one from a company
teetering on the brink?

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:33:11 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop the
price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....

I posted to rec.autos.gm about this, and a Cannuck who works at the
Oshawa plant said Impala sales were actually up. I saw a slew of them
on a recent road trip.
Much is up in the air, and nobody has a clue what will happen.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Vic


If you needed a new car right now, would you buy one from a company
teetering on the brink?

Since I never buy new cars, I can't really say. Probably not.
But I have a very strong feeling GM will be around a long time, in
some form. Too big to die.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:33:11 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop the
price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....
I posted to rec.autos.gm about this, and a Cannuck who works at the
Oshawa plant said Impala sales were actually up. I saw a slew of them
on a recent road trip.
Much is up in the air, and nobody has a clue what will happen.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Vic

If you needed a new car right now, would you buy one from a company
teetering on the brink?

Since I never buy new cars, I can't really say. Probably not.
But I have a very strong feeling GM will be around a long time, in
some form. Too big to die.

--Vic

You mean, like a boat company that has gone under? Someone buys the name
after the company has gone teats up?

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:41:46 -0500, Boater
wrote:


Since I never buy new cars, I can't really say. Probably not.
But I have a very strong feeling GM will be around a long time, in
some form. Too big to die.

--Vic

You mean, like a boat company that has gone under? Someone buys the name
after the company has gone teats up?

All kinds of possibilities. Might keep the name GM after reorg, or
change it ala IH becoming Navistar or some such.
Bottom line is there will always be a Chevy.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:41:46 -0500, Boater
wrote:


Since I never buy new cars, I can't really say. Probably not.
But I have a very strong feeling GM will be around a long time, in
some form. Too big to die.

--Vic

You mean, like a boat company that has gone under? Someone buys the name
after the company has gone teats up?

All kinds of possibilities. Might keep the name GM after reorg, or
change it ala IH becoming Navistar or some such.
Bottom line is there will always be a Chevy.

--Vic

I figure Chrysler or Ford will pick up the brand cheap.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop
the price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....

I posted to rec.autos.gm about this, and a Cannuck who works at the
Oshawa plant said Impala sales were actually up. I saw a slew of them
on a recent road trip.
Much is up in the air, and nobody has a clue what will happen.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Vic


If you needed a new car right now, would you buy one from a company
teetering on the brink?

Depends on model and price. How much off of invoice? If less than 30% of
invoice on a desired model, wouldn't consider it. Also needs to be a high
volume model so after market parts are easy.

If they don't want to sell it for that, wait until chapter 11 becomes
chapter 7 and I will get it for 1/2 price or less.

And another 15% off because I will pay in full on delivery, Amex, Visa or
cheque.

Canuck57 wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop
the price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....
I posted to rec.autos.gm about this, and a Cannuck who works at the
Oshawa plant said Impala sales were actually up. I saw a slew of them
on a recent road trip.
Much is up in the air, and nobody has a clue what will happen.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Vic

If you needed a new car right now, would you buy one from a company
teetering on the brink?

Depends on model and price. How much off of invoice? If less than 30% of
invoice on a desired model, wouldn't consider it. Also needs to be a high
volume model so after market parts are easy.

If they don't want to sell it for that, wait until chapter 11 becomes
chapter 7 and I will get it for 1/2 price or less.

And another 15% off because I will pay in full on delivery, Amex, Visa or
cheque.



I could only put $6000 down on my credit card. They might me more
inclined to take more now.

"DK" wrote in message
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I could only put $6000 down on my credit card. *They might me more*
inclined to take more now.

"They might me more"???
You gotta quit raiding LoogyTunes private stash.