If GM goes belly up, I wonder how that will affect Canada. Haven't
seen anything about this.
Seem like some - maybe all - of the best-selling GM vehicles are made
in Canada.
Here's some:
Buick Allure and Buick LaCrosse
Chevrolet Equinox
Chevrolet Impala
Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra
Pontiac Grand Prix
Pontiac Montana SV6
Pontiac Torrent
General Motors of Canada Ltd is owned by GM of Detroit.
If that is sold to Canadians, there may not be a serious interruption
of much of GM vehicle production.
I think the Impala is a top-seller after the pickups.
Was laughing with the wife a couple days ago at all the Impalas that
were passing us on I-55. It was by far the most common car we saw
on a 5600 mile trip.
As I said once before, I consider Canadian-built cars "Foreign."
Believe my Lumina is Canada-built. Bought it used, but I still don't
like that. Just don't care for Caddies. If I were to buy new, it
would have to be U.S-built.
BTW, I know the difficulty of finding out what is U.S. sourced, as I
watched Wall Street interests lobby and succeed at removing country of
origin labeling during the pat two decades or so.
You guys know some of your foodstuffs are coming from China, right?
Wonder how the CAW wages are, and if General Motors of Canada Ltd
has an advantage due to the national health care up there.
Lots of interesting twists and turns not apparent in most discussions
going on here.
What I think, and I still don't see anybody seriously addressing it,
is that a country can't consume more than it produces without sliding
downhill. It was interesting that while the article Eisboch recently
posted rightly pointed out the recent economic meltdown can easily
be traced to Clinton policies, and likewise mentioned trade deficit
increases as a contributing factor, they were too busy pointing
fingers at Clinton to the heart of the matter, which are the trade
deficits. That's what led to excessive borrowing.
"You can't consume more than you produce."
They just don't get it, and still believe the Reagan-era bull****
about Wall Street "creating" wealth.
Workers create wealth. Wall street just moves it around.
Chinese workers are creating wealth, and they will soon call in the
American IOU's. The free ride is over.
Socialism won't be fun. But until we get our factories going again,
that's what we'll have. A damn welfare state.
Thank you Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, GW Bush, Wall Street,
and consumers who didn't think buying American mattered.

--Vic

Disclaimer: Musings only. Might be wrong. Got a C in Eco 101.
Mostly because I was working full time. Making goods.

Vic Smith wrote:
If GM goes belly up, I wonder how that will affect Canada. Haven't
seen anything about this.
Seem like some - maybe all - of the best-selling GM vehicles are made
in Canada.
Here's some:
Buick Allure and Buick LaCrosse
Chevrolet Equinox
Chevrolet Impala
Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra
Pontiac Grand Prix
Pontiac Montana SV6
Pontiac Torrent
General Motors of Canada Ltd is owned by GM of Detroit.
If that is sold to Canadians, there may not be a serious interruption
of much of GM vehicle production.
I think the Impala is a top-seller after the pickups.
Was laughing with the wife a couple days ago at all the Impalas that
were passing us on I-55. It was by far the most common car we saw
on a 5600 mile trip.
As I said once before, I consider Canadian-built cars "Foreign."
Believe my Lumina is Canada-built. Bought it used, but I still don't
like that. Just don't care for Caddies. If I were to buy new, it
would have to be U.S-built.
BTW, I know the difficulty of finding out what is U.S. sourced, as I
watched Wall Street interests lobby and succeed at removing country of
origin labeling during the pat two decades or so.
You guys know some of your foodstuffs are coming from China, right?
Wonder how the CAW wages are, and if General Motors of Canada Ltd
has an advantage due to the national health care up there.
Lots of interesting twists and turns not apparent in most discussions
going on here.
What I think, and I still don't see anybody seriously addressing it,
is that a country can't consume more than it produces without sliding
downhill. It was interesting that while the article Eisboch recently
posted rightly pointed out the recent economic meltdown can easily
be traced to Clinton policies, and likewise mentioned trade deficit
increases as a contributing factor, they were too busy pointing
fingers at Clinton to the heart of the matter, which are the trade
deficits. That's what led to excessive borrowing.
"You can't consume more than you produce."
They just don't get it, and still believe the Reagan-era bull****
about Wall Street "creating" wealth.
Workers create wealth. Wall street just moves it around.
Chinese workers are creating wealth, and they will soon call in the
American IOU's. The free ride is over.
Socialism won't be fun. But until we get our factories going again,
that's what we'll have. A damn welfare state.
Thank you Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, GW Bush, Wall Street,
and consumers who didn't think buying American mattered.

--Vic

Disclaimer: Musings only. Might be wrong. Got a C in Eco 101.
Mostly because I was working full time. Making goods.


I wouldn't mind seeing strict country of origin labels on all imports,
and an end to unfettered "free" trade.

On Nov 16, 12:54*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:

If GM goes belly up, I wonder how that will affect Canada. *Haven't
seen anything about this.

It will save Canadian tax payers billions of dollars per year. We are
only a small country population wise and have already wasted $756
million or so. We will ultimately benefit if GM dies as then there
will be more of a market for Chrysler and Ford. And there is no way
Canada can afford to put the
whole auto industry on the government welfare programs.Ontario, can't
count on them much. The province is running on debt as I write this.
They floated billions of dollars in loans already this year and like
GM, heading for debtors alley. And it really isn't fair for a worker
in 80% of this country to pay for an auto industry that does not exist
at all in their province.

Jobs will be lost, in fact are already lost. GM can't afford the
severance. Even if bailed out, their excessive production and
government subsidization will hurt others. People are not going to
buy GM cars, I can get better Chrysler or Ford choices even if I am in
love with Detroit.

Did you know there is more north American domestic content in a Honda
Ridgeline than a Ford F150? This is really about CAW/UAW running the
companies into the ground and other companies with more savvy
management keeping their companies profitable. Now CAW/UAW wants what
amounts to a north America Government Motors Tax for the select 1 or 3
CAW/UAW. Unions want government handouts.

Smacks of corrupt socialism.

----
Canuck57 - Using a different posting method as my messages on this
subject are being filtered via my usual posting methods. Hazards of
living in a country where interference of free speach is a right.

On Nov 16, 1:06*pm, Boater wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
If GM goes belly up, I wonder how that will affect Canada. *Haven't
seen anything about this.
Seem like some - maybe all - of the best-selling GM vehicles are made
in Canada.
Here's some:
Buick Allure and Buick LaCrosse
Chevrolet Equinox
Chevrolet Impala
Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra
Pontiac Grand Prix
Pontiac Montana SV6
Pontiac Torrent
General Motors of Canada Ltd is owned by GM of Detroit.
If that is sold to Canadians, there may not be a serious interruption
of much of GM vehicle production.
I think the Impala is a top-seller after the pickups.
Was laughing with the wife a couple days ago at all the Impalas that
were passing us on I-55. *It was by far the most common car we saw
on a 5600 mile trip.
As I said once before, I consider Canadian-built cars "Foreign."
Believe my Lumina is Canada-built. *Bought it used, but I still don't
like that. *Just don't care for Caddies. If I were to buy new, it
would have to be U.S-built.
BTW, I know the difficulty of finding out what is U.S. sourced, as I
watched Wall Street interests lobby and succeed at removing country of
origin labeling during the pat two decades or so.
You guys know some of your foodstuffs are coming from China, right?
Wonder how the CAW wages are, and if General Motors of Canada Ltd
has an advantage due to the national health care up there.
Lots of interesting twists and turns not apparent in most discussions
going on here.
What I think, and I still don't see anybody seriously addressing it,
is that a country can't consume more than it produces without sliding
downhill. *It was interesting that while the article Eisboch recently
posted rightly pointed out the recent economic meltdown can easily
be traced to Clinton policies, and likewise mentioned trade deficit
increases as a contributing factor, they were too busy pointing
fingers at Clinton to the heart of the matter, which are the trade
deficits. *That's what led to excessive borrowing.
*"You can't consume more than you produce."
They just don't get it, and still believe the Reagan-era bull****
about Wall Street "creating" wealth.
Workers create wealth. * Wall street just moves it around.
Chinese workers are creating wealth, and they will soon call in the
American IOU's. *The free ride is over.
Socialism won't be fun. *But until we get our factories going again,
that's what we'll have. *A damn welfare state.
Thank you Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, GW Bush, Wall Street,
and consumers who didn't think buying American mattered.

--Vic

Disclaimer: Musings only. *Might be wrong. *Got a C in Eco 101.
Mostly because I was working full time. * Making goods.

I wouldn't mind seeing strict country of origin labels on all imports,
and an end to unfettered "free" trade.

If you look closely, and all auto manufacturers do this even through
"repackaging" warehouses, they might be assembled in north America but
the parts are 50% from elsewhere. In fact many companies like Honda
have more NAFTA content than do the Detroit vehicles in the same
class. In fact, buying a Honda, Nissan or Toyota imported car these
days is hard to do. Tundra I think is Texas, Nissan in Tennessee,
Honda Ridgeline in Ontario. Detroit 3 combined is NOT the major
emplyment powerhouse they once were. By GM flooding the market with
government subsidized vehicles, not only do tax payers not involved in
the auto industry hurt, so do other Americans and Canadians that are
making their companies PROFITABLE!. Dirty word I know, profit.

I learned this with some very detailed research on my last purchase.
I bought a F150 because of it's high foreign content.

This is CAW/UAW noise to get into the taxpayers pocket. They have
zero, and I mean zero intention of being part of the solution. $50
billion isn't going to keep the 3 losers in business for more than a
year. You can count on them making this GMT, Government Motors Tax on
Canadians and Americans alike for many years to come if they get
bailed out.

This is corruption and greed gone wild and someone should tell GM
(management and union alike), to bad so bad, get out of my face
leaches.

BTW, leftists in Canada are filtering many of my posts on this, I love
Google.

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
If GM goes belly up, I wonder how that will affect Canada. Haven't
seen anything about this.
Seem like some - maybe all - of the best-selling GM vehicles are made
in Canada.
Here's some:
Buick Allure and Buick LaCrosse
Chevrolet Equinox
Chevrolet Impala
Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra
Pontiac Grand Prix
Pontiac Montana SV6
Pontiac Torrent
General Motors of Canada Ltd is owned by GM of Detroit.
If that is sold to Canadians, there may not be a serious interruption
of much of GM vehicle production.
I think the Impala is a top-seller after the pickups.
Was laughing with the wife a couple days ago at all the Impalas that
were passing us on I-55. It was by far the most common car we saw
on a 5600 mile trip.
As I said once before, I consider Canadian-built cars "Foreign."
Believe my Lumina is Canada-built. Bought it used, but I still don't
like that. Just don't care for Caddies. If I were to buy new, it
would have to be U.S-built.
BTW, I know the difficulty of finding out what is U.S. sourced, as I
watched Wall Street interests lobby and succeed at removing country of
origin labeling during the pat two decades or so.
You guys know some of your foodstuffs are coming from China, right?
Wonder how the CAW wages are, and if General Motors of Canada Ltd
has an advantage due to the national health care up there.
Lots of interesting twists and turns not apparent in most discussions
going on here.
What I think, and I still don't see anybody seriously addressing it,
is that a country can't consume more than it produces without sliding
downhill. It was interesting that while the article Eisboch recently
posted rightly pointed out the recent economic meltdown can easily
be traced to Clinton policies, and likewise mentioned trade deficit
increases as a contributing factor, they were too busy pointing
fingers at Clinton to the heart of the matter, which are the trade
deficits. That's what led to excessive borrowing.
"You can't consume more than you produce."
They just don't get it, and still believe the Reagan-era bull****
about Wall Street "creating" wealth.
Workers create wealth. Wall street just moves it around.
Chinese workers are creating wealth, and they will soon call in the
American IOU's. The free ride is over.
Socialism won't be fun. But until we get our factories going again,
that's what we'll have. A damn welfare state.
Thank you Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, GW Bush, Wall Street,
and consumers who didn't think buying American mattered.

--Vic


We're hearing a lot of the same scare rumours that you do.
Our auto industry is centralized in Ontario and Quebec...where about half
the country and votes reside.
GM/Ford/Chrysler will get soething no doubt.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...116?hub=Canada

BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop the
price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:



BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop the
price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....

I posted to rec.autos.gm about this, and a Cannuck who works at the
Oshawa plant said Impala sales were actually up. I saw a slew of them
on a recent road trip.
Much is up in the air, and nobody has a clue what will happen.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop the
price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....

I posted to rec.autos.gm about this, and a Cannuck who works at the
Oshawa plant said Impala sales were actually up. I saw a slew of them
on a recent road trip.
Much is up in the air, and nobody has a clue what will happen.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Vic


If you needed a new car right now, would you buy one from a company
teetering on the brink?

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:33:11 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop the
price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....

I posted to rec.autos.gm about this, and a Cannuck who works at the
Oshawa plant said Impala sales were actually up. I saw a slew of them
on a recent road trip.
Much is up in the air, and nobody has a clue what will happen.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Vic


If you needed a new car right now, would you buy one from a company
teetering on the brink?

Since I never buy new cars, I can't really say. Probably not.
But I have a very strong feeling GM will be around a long time, in
some form. Too big to die.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:33:11 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

BTW total auto sales in canada rose slightly in September due to a big
increase for Toyota.
This is odd because you can't get a deal from them. Even in this unsure
financial climate, a local salesman said Toyota Canada wasn't offering
incentives to clear the left over '08 stock... but the dealer would drop the
price by $500.00. I almost laughed in his face....
I posted to rec.autos.gm about this, and a Cannuck who works at the
Oshawa plant said Impala sales were actually up. I saw a slew of them
on a recent road trip.
Much is up in the air, and nobody has a clue what will happen.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Vic

If you needed a new car right now, would you buy one from a company
teetering on the brink?

Since I never buy new cars, I can't really say. Probably not.
But I have a very strong feeling GM will be around a long time, in
some form. Too big to die.

--Vic

You mean, like a boat company that has gone under? Someone buys the name
after the company has gone teats up?

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:41:46 -0500, Boater
wrote:


Since I never buy new cars, I can't really say. Probably not.
But I have a very strong feeling GM will be around a long time, in
some form. Too big to die.

--Vic

You mean, like a boat company that has gone under? Someone buys the name
after the company has gone teats up?

All kinds of possibilities. Might keep the name GM after reorg, or
change it ala IH becoming Navistar or some such.
Bottom line is there will always be a Chevy.

--Vic