"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.

Yep, well put. GM, Government Motors in the new USSR (United States
Socialist Republic).

I figure nationalizing the stock market comes after the banks and auto
consolidation quiets down.

But it will not get that far. If the government bails out GM, this is going
to be one very long depression as every loser company in the world is going
to be looking for government handouts. Maybe China will be importing from
the USA in 10 years when the US economy dwindles to that of a third world
nation because of debt and government fiscal mismanagement.

Who is going to buy a Government Motors vehicle anyway? With cash they
don't have or more government sponsored cheap credit they are not qualified
for? And that assumes people want GM crap.

And we wonder why the world has a liquidity problem....print money and
charge it.

My guess is before February the dem congress is going to float a 5 trillion
dollar government bank program. Where the bank **is** the government with
unlimited leverage to loan money at 1%..

wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:03:32 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.

Unions and labor costs are not the problem, and never have been. Non
union made toyotas and Hondas sell in greater numbers, despite being
considerable MORE expensive.



It's kind of humorous to see posters who think the UAW workers have
anything to do with the design of Detroit cars or their engineering or
manufacturing. The assembly line workers are closely supervised and
work with what they are given and do what they are told. The managements
of GM, Ford, and Chrysler are entirely responsible for their products.

wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:03:32 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.

Unions and labor costs are not the problem, and never have been. Non
union made toyotas and Hondas sell in greater numbers, despite being
considerable MORE expensive.

Right! Hondas and Toyotas are the problem. Quality is the problem. Them
scab non union workers is the problem. Ain't no union problems. Boy,
that's a relief.

BTW A billion dollars or so is going up in smoke around 8PM tonight.
Hope yall is watchin.

Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:03:32 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.

Unions and labor costs are not the problem, and never have been. Non
union made toyotas and Hondas sell in greater numbers, despite being
considerable MORE expensive.
Right! Hondas and Toyotas are the problem. Quality is the problem. Them
scab non union workers is the problem. Ain't no union problems. Boy,
that's a relief.

BTW A billion dollars or so is going up in smoke around 8PM tonight.
Hope yall is watchin.


Life after the Navy, where you did not excel, must have been a hell of a
letdown for you, FloridaJim. I've never seen anyone here work harder at
being an idiot. Yes, yes, I know about Loogy and Just Wait, but they
don't have to work at it.

You're not that far from the Northeast Florida State Hospital at
Macclenny, right? I believe it is the one that serves your county. You'd
probably get better treatment there than at an old sailor's home. Once
you are Baker-acted, I'm sure you could get in there.

Boater wrote:
Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:03:32 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.

Unions and labor costs are not the problem, and never have been. Non
union made toyotas and Hondas sell in greater numbers, despite being
considerable MORE expensive.
Right! Hondas and Toyotas are the problem. Quality is the problem.
Them scab non union workers is the problem. Ain't no union problems.
Boy, that's a relief.

BTW A billion dollars or so is going up in smoke around 8PM tonight.
Hope yall is watchin.


Life after the Navy, where you did not excel, must have been a hell of a
letdown for you, FloridaJim. I've never seen anyone here work harder at
being an idiot. Yes, yes, I know about Loogy and Just Wait, but they
don't have to work at it.

You're not that far from the Northeast Florida State Hospital at
Macclenny, right? I believe it is the one that serves your county. You'd
probably get better treatment there than at an old sailor's home. Once
you are Baker-acted, I'm sure you could get in there.


Has Harry turned a bit more sour than usual? It is amazing that his
candidate or party has won and he isn't jumping for joy in the streets.

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:03:32 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.

Unions and labor costs are not the problem, and never have been. Non
union made toyotas and Hondas sell in greater numbers, despite being
considerable MORE expensive.
Right! Hondas and Toyotas are the problem. Quality is the problem.
Them scab non union workers is the problem. Ain't no union problems.
Boy, that's a relief.

BTW A billion dollars or so is going up in smoke around 8PM tonight.
Hope yall is watchin.


Life after the Navy, where you did not excel, must have been a hell of
a letdown for you, FloridaJim. I've never seen anyone here work harder
at being an idiot. Yes, yes, I know about Loogy and Just Wait, but
they don't have to work at it.

You're not that far from the Northeast Florida State Hospital at
Macclenny, right? I believe it is the one that serves your county.
You'd probably get better treatment there than at an old sailor's
home. Once you are Baker-acted, I'm sure you could get in there.


Has Harry turned a bit more sour than usual? It is amazing that his
candidate or party has won and he isn't jumping for joy in the streets.


It's interesting that neither you nor Florida Jim have boats. What are
you doing here?

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:03:32 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.

Unions and labor costs are not the problem, and never have been. Non
union made toyotas and Hondas sell in greater numbers, despite being
considerable MORE expensive.
Right! Hondas and Toyotas are the problem. Quality is the problem.
Them scab non union workers is the problem. Ain't no union problems.
Boy, that's a relief.

BTW A billion dollars or so is going up in smoke around 8PM
tonight. Hope yall is watchin.


Life after the Navy, where you did not excel, must have been a hell
of a letdown for you, FloridaJim. I've never seen anyone here work
harder at being an idiot. Yes, yes, I know about Loogy and Just Wait,
but they don't have to work at it.

You're not that far from the Northeast Florida State Hospital at
Macclenny, right? I believe it is the one that serves your county.
You'd probably get better treatment there than at an old sailor's
home. Once you are Baker-acted, I'm sure you could get in there.


Has Harry turned a bit more sour than usual? It is amazing that his
candidate or party has won and he isn't jumping for joy in the streets.


It's interesting that neither you nor Florida Jim have boats. What are
you doing here?

Apparently we are bothering you something terrible. Ask your shrink how
to deal with it. You did make the appointment to see the lady at the
bricklayers union, didn't you?

wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:03:32 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.

Unions and labor costs are not the problem, and never have been. Non
union made toyotas and Hondas sell in greater numbers, despite being
considerable MORE expensive.


GM vehicles are crap. Honda's and Toyota's are good quality vehicles. GM
cannot put the effort, money, into quality due to the costs they have to
pay for union labor and union benefits.

People do not have a problem paying a bit more for quality. My parents
bought GM vehicles. When I saw what piles of crap they were I decided to
never buy one. My dad did buy a Datsun 1200 Sedan back in '72, damn
thing ran for ever. Had to keep riveting the body back together but the
mechanicals of that car were great. It had more than 250,000 miles on it
when the guy finally towed it away, it was still running too.

BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:03:32 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.

Unions and labor costs are not the problem, and never have been. Non
union made toyotas and Hondas sell in greater numbers, despite being
considerable MORE expensive.

GM vehicles are crap. Honda's and Toyota's are good quality vehicles. GM
cannot put the effort, money, into quality due to the costs they have to
pay for union labor and union benefits.


Yep...you are indeed simple-minded.

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:03:32 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.

Unions and labor costs are not the problem, and never have been. Non
union made toyotas and Hondas sell in greater numbers, despite being
considerable MORE expensive.

GM vehicles are crap. Honda's and Toyota's are good quality vehicles.
GM cannot put the effort, money, into quality due to the costs they
have to pay for union labor and union benefits.


Yep...you are indeed simple-minded.

You are always looking at the problem from the labor perspective and
immediately assign blame to management. You are the simple-minded idiot.

You need to look at it from all angles and find the cause of the problem.