"Steve Firth" wrote in message .. .
Capt. Neal® wrote:

You cannot run current though a battery backwards.

Oh dear the ammeter on my charger must be telling lies then. It says I
can run about 25-50A through the battery backwards.


You are guilty of misreading your ammeter.

One connects an ammeter in series, does one not? (let's not get into shunts)

What you are reading is current flowing into the battery - not through the battery.
A battery has no internal circuitry that connects the whole of it together. It is but
a series of little dead ends where chemical reactions are used to STORE electrons.

When the battery is fully charged, the current drops to little or nothing unless
you apply too much current at too high a voltage and then you see the
water becoming electrolyzed into hydrogen and oxygen and the current increasing.

Never, at any time, does electricity flow THROUGH the internals of a battery
unless there is a short or something. A serviceable battery stores electrons. These
go in or out but never through.

CN

Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .

Capt. Neal® wrote:

You cannot run current though a battery backwards.


Oh dear the ammeter on my charger must be telling lies then. It says I
can run about 25-50A through the battery backwards.



You are guilty of misreading your ammeter.

One connects an ammeter in series, does one not? (let's not get into
shunts)

What you are reading is current flowing into the battery - not through
the battery.
A battery has no internal circuitry that connects the whole of it
together. It is but
a series of little dead ends where chemical reactions are used to STORE
electrons.

When the battery is fully charged, the current drops to little or
nothing unless
you apply too much current at too high a voltage and then you see the
water becoming electrolyzed into hydrogen and oxygen and the current
increasing.

Never, at any time, does electricity flow THROUGH the internals of a
battery
unless there is a short or something. A serviceable battery stores
electrons. These
go in or out but never through.

CN
Electrons must move within the battery to create the chemical reaction.
Movement of electrons is called "current flow"

"krj" wrote in message .. .
Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Steve Firth" wrote in message .. .

Capt. Neal® wrote:

You cannot run current though a battery backwards.


Oh dear the ammeter on my charger must be telling lies then. It says I
can run about 25-50A through the battery backwards.



You are guilty of misreading your ammeter.

One connects an ammeter in series, does one not? (let's not get into shunts)

What you are reading is current flowing into the battery - not through the battery.
A battery has no internal circuitry that connects the whole of it together. It is but
a series of little dead ends where chemical reactions are used to STORE electrons.

When the battery is fully charged, the current drops to little or nothing unless
you apply too much current at too high a voltage and then you see the
water becoming electrolyzed into hydrogen and oxygen and the current increasing.

Never, at any time, does electricity flow THROUGH the internals of a battery
unless there is a short or something. A serviceable battery stores electrons. These
go in or out but never through.

CN
Electrons must move within the battery to create the chemical reaction. Movement of electrons is called "current flow"


Movement of electrons in a chemical reaction is not called current flow.

Movement of electrons *in a circuit* is called current flow.

CN

CN

Capt. Neal® wrote:


"krj" wrote in message
.. .

Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .

Capt. Neal® wrote:

You cannot run current though a battery backwards.



Oh dear the ammeter on my charger must be telling lies then. It says I
can run about 25-50A through the battery backwards.




You are guilty of misreading your ammeter.

One connects an ammeter in series, does one not? (let's not get into
shunts)

What you are reading is current flowing into the battery - not
through the battery.
A battery has no internal circuitry that connects the whole of it
together. It is but
a series of little dead ends where chemical reactions are used to
STORE electrons.

When the battery is fully charged, the current drops to little or
nothing unless
you apply too much current at too high a voltage and then you see the
water becoming electrolyzed into hydrogen and oxygen and the current
increasing.

Never, at any time, does electricity flow THROUGH the internals of a
battery
unless there is a short or something. A serviceable battery stores
electrons. These
go in or out but never through.

CN

Electrons must move within the battery to create the chemical
reaction. Movement of electrons is called "current flow"



Movement of electrons in a chemical reaction is not called current flow.

Movement of electrons *in a circuit* is called current flow.

CN

CN
Now we are talking semantics. So you do admit that there is a movement
of electrons through the medium within a battery.
krj

"krj" wrote in message . ..
Capt. Neal® wrote:


"krj" wrote in message .. .

Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Steve Firth" wrote in message .. .

Capt. Neal® wrote:

You cannot run current though a battery backwards.



Oh dear the ammeter on my charger must be telling lies then. It says I
can run about 25-50A through the battery backwards.




You are guilty of misreading your ammeter.

One connects an ammeter in series, does one not? (let's not get into shunts)

What you are reading is current flowing into the battery - not through the battery.
A battery has no internal circuitry that connects the whole of it together. It is but
a series of little dead ends where chemical reactions are used to STORE electrons.

When the battery is fully charged, the current drops to little or nothing unless
you apply too much current at too high a voltage and then you see the
water becoming electrolyzed into hydrogen and oxygen and the current increasing.

Never, at any time, does electricity flow THROUGH the internals of a battery
unless there is a short or something. A serviceable battery stores electrons. These
go in or out but never through.

CN

Electrons must move within the battery to create the chemical reaction. Movement of electrons is called "current flow"



Movement of electrons in a chemical reaction is not called current flow.

Movement of electrons *in a circuit* is called current flow.

CN

CN
Now we are talking semantics. So you do admit that there is a movement of electrons through the medium within a battery.
krj

I admit no such thing. Electrons move into and out of the plates via chemical
reactions. Electrons don't move through the plates as in from positive plate
to negative plate through the media. If this were the case, there would be
no potential and no battery.

CN

In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:

What you are reading is current flowing into the battery - not through the
battery.
A battery has no internal circuitry that connects the whole of it together.
It is but
a series of little dead ends where chemical reactions are used to STORE
electrons.


Ahhhh, I see you have answer the question that I asked you, in a
previous post.

So, it is your contention that the battery "STORES" up electrons
inside it when you charge it, and then releases these same electrons
when it dicharges and they go over to the Load and do work? Right?

Do you agree with this statement?
Inquiring minds would certainly like to know what your exact position is
on the above.


Bruce in alaska
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"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message ...
In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:

What you are reading is current flowing into the battery - not through the
battery.
A battery has no internal circuitry that connects the whole of it together.
It is but
a series of little dead ends where chemical reactions are used to STORE
electrons.


Ahhhh, I see you have answer the question that I asked you, in a
previous post.

So, it is your contention that the battery "STORES" up electrons
inside it when you charge it, and then releases these same electrons
when it dicharges and they go over to the Load and do work? Right?

Do you agree with this statement?

Not what I said. I said a battery is a tank that uses chemical reactions
to store or release electrons. But my main point is there is no circuit and
no conductor (as a conductor in usually defined) inside a battery.

There are a series of plate, positive and negative. The fact that, if there
is no circuit connected externally to the poles of the battery, it stores
chemically the potential to provide electricity to the external circuit,
proves my contention that there is no internal circuit as the so-called
engineers are contending.

CN

In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:

Not what I said. I said a battery is a tank that uses chemical reactions
to store or release electrons.

No that is NOT what you posted.... Hmmm Backtracking a bit here are we?

In actual fact, H2SO4 is a conductor of electricity. You dispute this?
Try putting the stripped ends of an extension cord that is plugged into
a wall outlet into a beaker of H2SO4 and see the sparks fly.......
If it wasn't a conductor of electricity it would not blow the circuit
breaker, when doing the above experiment.

In actual fact, Lead is also a conductor of electricity, and PB02
is also a conductor of electricity. You dispute this? Try the same
experiment above with a chunk of lead or Lead Ozide. Same result the
breaker blows.

Now tell us all that there is "NO Conduction of Electrons" thru
a beaker of H2SO4, (a conductor) that has, a chunk of lead, (another
conductor) and a chunk of Lead Ozide, (another conductor) in it. when a
the two chunks are connected to the stripped ends of the wires, as in
the above experiment. The breaker certainly trips. If there is no
conduction in a battery, why does the breaker trip? Inquiring minds
would certainly like to know.

The rest of us know, that the above Grammer School Physics Experiment
demonstrates, that all the above conductors when placed in series do
consist of an electrical circuit, and that electrons do flow thru the
above circuit very well. Now that we have explained it to you, in terms
that you certainly can verify, by doing the above experiment, you should
be nice and go away. If not, then as I stated before, infusing the
required knowlege is beyound your capability, due to "High Internal
Resistance" between your ears.


Bruce in alaska I hate teaching Grammer School Physics, and
thought that when I retired i wouldn't be
doing it anymore....... Oh well.....
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