"Me" wrote in message ...
In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:

He needs to go back to school!

CN

You Sir, are a complete, and utter Moroooon.... (Bugs Bunny Definition)
Now please take you DC Electrical Theories over to one of the
alt.engineering Newsgroups and see if they fly over there...... I can
hear the "Rolling on the floor, Laughing" already.....

We here have been vary patient with you, but your entertainment value
is about run it's course, and your noninformative posts could actually
cost unlearned folks, money and time. I only hope your Navigation skills
aren't on a par with you engineering skills.


Me

Are you trying to claim that a battery in certain state of discharge cannot
be charged by a battery that is fully charged if the batteries are connected
in a circuit?

CN

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Are you trying to claim that a battery in certain state of discharge cannot
be charged by a battery that is fully charged if the batteries are
connected in a circuit?

Which of these circuits?

http://www.verdonet.org.uk/stuff/The...sBatteries.png

A or B?

Pete

"Pete Verdon" d wrote in message ...
Capt. Neal® wrote:

Are you trying to claim that a battery in certain state of discharge cannot
be charged by a battery that is fully charged if the batteries are connected in a circuit?

Which of these circuits?

http://www.verdonet.org.uk/stuff/The...sBatteries.png

A or B?

Pete

Neither!

I'm talking about two 12v batteries in a series circuit meaning one positive pole connected
to the negative pole of the other battery. The left over positive and negative poles must be
connected to some sort of circuit and load such as a light bulb or electronic gadget that will
cause current to flow through the entire circuit.

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I'm talking about two 12v batteries in a series circuit meaning one
positive pole connected
to the negative pole of the other battery. The left over positive and
negative poles must be
connected to some sort of circuit and load such as a light bulb or
electronic gadget that will
cause current to flow through the entire circuit.

In such a circuit, neither battery will charge the other, they will only be
discharged together through the load.
The same current will flow through both batteries, and in both batteries you
can regard the current as "flowing out" of the positive pole.

To charge a battery, current must be flowing "into" the positive pole, which
can only happen if you connect two batteries in parallel, where one is more
discharged than the other.

Meindert

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message ...
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I'm talking about two 12v batteries in a series circuit meaning one
positive pole connected
to the negative pole of the other battery. The left over positive and
negative poles must be
connected to some sort of circuit and load such as a light bulb or
electronic gadget that will
cause current to flow through the entire circuit.

In such a circuit, neither battery will charge the other, they will only be
discharged together through the load.
The same current will flow through both batteries, and in both batteries you
can regard the current as "flowing out" of the positive pole.

To charge a battery, current must be flowing "into" the positive pole, which
can only happen if you connect two batteries in parallel, where one is more
discharged than the other.

Meindert


You are wrong. You cannot run current though a battery backwards. You charge with a charging
source that has higher voltage than the battery and by wiring it so there exists a complete
circuit.

When I connect my photovoltaic to my 12v battery the battery takes a charge because the
photovoltaics operate at 16v at ten amps current. The 16v, being higher than the 12v in the
batteries causes a chemical reaction to occur between the sponge lead and the solid lead
and the acid electrolyte and electrons are stored The chemical reaction reverses when the
photovoltaics are removed and a load placed upon the batteries and electrons are released.
Current never goes backwards in the battery.

This is a common misconception and I'm very surprised so-called engineers fall prey to it.

CN

Capt. Neal® wrote:

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

I'm talking about two 12v batteries in a series circuit meaning one

positive pole connected

to the negative pole of the other battery. The left over positive and

negative poles must be

connected to some sort of circuit and load such as a light bulb or

electronic gadget that will

cause current to flow through the entire circuit.


In such a circuit, neither battery will charge the other, they will
only be
discharged together through the load.
The same current will flow through both batteries, and in both
batteries you
can regard the current as "flowing out" of the positive pole.

To charge a battery, current must be flowing "into" the positive pole,
which
can only happen if you connect two batteries in parallel, where one is
more
discharged than the other.

Meindert


You are wrong. You cannot run current though a battery backwards. You
charge with a charging
source that has higher voltage than the battery and by wiring it so
there exists a complete
circuit.

When I connect my photovoltaic to my 12v battery the battery takes a
charge because the
photovoltaics operate at 16v at ten amps current. The 16v, being higher
than the 12v in the
batteries causes a chemical reaction to occur between the sponge lead
and the solid lead
and the acid electrolyte and electrons are stored The chemical reaction
reverses when the
photovoltaics are removed and a load placed upon the batteries and
electrons are released.
Current never goes backwards in the battery.

This is a common misconception and I'm very surprised so-called
engineers fall prey to it.

CN

Let's see, +16v from the solar panel to the +12.7v on the battery. -
from the solar panel connected to - on the battery. 10 amps or current
is flowing. Which way through the battery is the current? If the current
is not flowing through the battery, where is it going?
krj

"krj" wrote in message . ..
Capt. Neal® wrote:

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message ...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

I'm talking about two 12v batteries in a series circuit meaning one

positive pole connected

to the negative pole of the other battery. The left over positive and

negative poles must be

connected to some sort of circuit and load such as a light bulb or

electronic gadget that will

cause current to flow through the entire circuit.


In such a circuit, neither battery will charge the other, they will only be
discharged together through the load.
The same current will flow through both batteries, and in both batteries you
can regard the current as "flowing out" of the positive pole.

To charge a battery, current must be flowing "into" the positive pole, which
can only happen if you connect two batteries in parallel, where one is more
discharged than the other.

Meindert


You are wrong. You cannot run current though a battery backwards. You charge with a charging
source that has higher voltage than the battery and by wiring it so there exists a complete
circuit.

When I connect my photovoltaic to my 12v battery the battery takes a charge because the
photovoltaics operate at 16v at ten amps current. The 16v, being higher than the 12v in the
batteries causes a chemical reaction to occur between the sponge lead and the solid lead
and the acid electrolyte and electrons are stored The chemical reaction reverses when the
photovoltaics are removed and a load placed upon the batteries and electrons are released.
Current never goes backwards in the battery.

This is a common misconception and I'm very surprised so-called engineers fall prey to it.

CN

Let's see, +16v from the solar panel to the +12.7v on the battery. - from the solar panel connected to - on the battery. 10 amps
or current is flowing. Which way through the battery is the current? If the current is not flowing through the battery, where is
it going?
krj

Duh, Current NEVER flows through the battery. A battery stores and releases electricity
chemically. There is no circuit passing through the battery. The only circuit that exists is
external to the battery. View a battery as a gasoline tank gas (electrons) can be added
to the tank or removed from the tank. It's a storage device and not a pipe of some sort
that has flow one way or the other inside it.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu.../leadacid.html

Note how current flow is only shown to be reversed in the circuit outside the
battery when charged. Never, at any time is there any such corresponding flow
or circuitry inside the battery. There is but a series of plates and an electrolyte
that stores or releases electrons. A battery is a tank and only a tank. It is not
a circuit.

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
You are wrong. You cannot run current though a battery backwards. You
charge with a charging
source that has higher voltage than the battery and by wiring it so there
exists a complete
circuit.

When I connect my photovoltaic to my 12v battery the battery takes a
charge because the
photovoltaics operate at 16v at ten amps current. The 16v, being higher
than the 12v in the
batteries causes a chemical reaction to occur between the sponge lead and
the solid lead
and the acid electrolyte and electrons are stored The chemical reaction
reverses when the
photovoltaics are removed and a load placed upon the batteries and
electrons are released.
Current never goes backwards in the battery.

This is a common misconception and I'm very surprised so-called engineers
fall prey to it.

Say Capt'n, why don't you hook up an ampere meter in your circuit and tell
me what sign the reading has when charging and discharging. Or are going to
argue the principle of ammeters too?

Meindert

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message ...
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
You are wrong. You cannot run current though a battery backwards. You
charge with a charging
source that has higher voltage than the battery and by wiring it so there
exists a complete
circuit.

When I connect my photovoltaic to my 12v battery the battery takes a
charge because the
photovoltaics operate at 16v at ten amps current. The 16v, being higher
than the 12v in the
batteries causes a chemical reaction to occur between the sponge lead and
the solid lead
and the acid electrolyte and electrons are stored The chemical reaction
reverses when the
photovoltaics are removed and a load placed upon the batteries and
electrons are released.
Current never goes backwards in the battery.

This is a common misconception and I'm very surprised so-called engineers
fall prey to it.

Say Capt'n, why don't you hook up an ampere meter in your circuit and tell
me what sign the reading has when charging and discharging. Or are going to
argue the principle of ammeters too?


Like I said in another post elsewhere, I'm not arguing with ammeter readings.
I AM saying, since an ammeter is connected in series external to the battery,
it tells you nothing about there being a circuit inside the battery. It only tells
you whether electrons flow into or out of the battery. There does not have
to be an internal circuit for electrons to flow. Chemical reactions take the place
of a circuit. These self-limiting chemical reactions change the composition of the
positive and negative plates; they do not conduct electricity.

CN

In article ,
Capt. Neal® wrote:

Are you trying to claim that a battery in certain state of discharge cannot
be charged by a battery that is fully charged if the batteries are connected
in a circuit?

CN

If they are "Series Connected", that is exactly what I am saying, and
claiming, and all your Dufus Theories, will not change the Physical
Laws involved.

Me who wonders if you are going to answer "Bruce in alaska"'s
question......