anchorIt?

Oh come on Brad. You can come up with something more anonymous than that.
Do you think this type of cheap advertising is how you'll build your
company? No one is fooled by this type of thing any longer...


"anchorlt" wrote in message
om...
If you have any interest in what strikes me as a simple, complete and
truly user friendly nav software, you may want to investigate
http://rosepointnav.com/default.htm

I am not an employee, investor or anything like anything that would
associate me with the company. My interest is only in finding what
works, is simple to use and does it reliably.

Can you integrate several Sensors?. Can it take into account advance and
transfer using ROT? Can you overlay a radar image on it? Can you incorporate
ARPA targets? Can it display a vessel in heads up or north up mode? How many
AIS targets and how much info will it provide?

How useful is it? Every chart plotter out there can take a gps input and plop
you on a chart. Its the periphials(Spelling?) that sell the software. The
more info available to the skipper makes them more capable to make a informed
decision when it counts. What are you comparing this software to? It really
looks to me like it is very basic in its design. Send it to me and I will tell
you what is really needed in it?

I don't design software. I install it for ships and yachts. I am the one
they call in the middle of the night when the @*?/ is hitting the fan. I have
seen a lot of great concept software, but when push came to shove the support
wasn't there and reliability was horrible. The web site says no phone support.
Only email support. I don't know many captains jumping on their email when
they can't view thier chart plotter. There are only 2 companies out there now,
that I have seen stand behind there product and really make it work (Names to
follow if asked).

Sorry for the rant guys but this stuff is a very important decision an owner/
captain has to make. The type of plotter they use can sink and swim someone if
it is not done right. If a plotter is not set up correctly or fails at a
crucial moment then whats the use. You dont use a plotter on a nice sunny
day. You use it when you are lost, tired, or in bad weather.

Just a few of my thoughts Take them or leave them.

Brian
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"NIFFOCBT" wrote in message
...
Can you integrate several Sensors?.

Of course he can; with our multiplexers :-)

The type of plotter they use can sink and swim someone if
it is not done right. If a plotter is not set up correctly or fails at a
crucial moment then whats the use. You dont use a plotter on a nice
sunny
day. You use it when you are lost, tired, or in bad weather.


Triggered by the above remark I wonder why no company has yet written a
decent navigation package running on Linux.
I know this will stir up something, but I have been on a ship, developing
software to control a KVM switch that knitted 12 LCD's and 10 computers
together. All computers were running XP (!) except the one I installed for
controlling the KVM switch. This one ran linux and did the routing to four
selectable internet connections as well. Many of these computers had the
occasional crash, but the only one that kept on running was the Linux box.

Meindert
www.shipmodul.com

Triggered by the above remark I wonder why no company has yet written a
decent navigation package running on Linux.

Because once they made three sales to people who actually use Linux on their
boat, they'd have 100% of the potential market...

"BillP" wrote in message news:VgHXc.9$hq5.0@trndny09...
Triggered by the above remark I wonder why no company has yet written a
decent navigation package running on Linux.

Because once they made three sales to people who actually use Linux on
their
boat, they'd have 100% of the potential market...

I think many people don't use Linux on their boat *because* there is no
decent nav package.

Meindert

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:42:29 +0200, "Meindert Sprang"
wrote:

I think many people don't use Linux on their boat *because* there is no
decent nav package.

=============================================

And because it's a whole new learning curve to climb, not the most
user friendly system in the world, and there's not much help
available in the world outside of technology shops. All that, plus
the lack of a standardized graphical user interface, means that its
going to be a while before Linux shows up on our laptops.

It may show up embedded in dedicated hardware however where we can't
see it.

Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:42:29 +0200, "Meindert Sprang"
wrote:

I think many people don't use Linux on their boat *because* there is no
decent nav package.

=============================================

And because it's a whole new learning curve to climb, not the most
user friendly system in the world, and there's not much help
available in the world outside of technology shops. All that, plus
the lack of a standardized graphical user interface, means that its
going to be a while before Linux shows up on our laptops.

It may show up embedded in dedicated hardware however where we can't
see it.

I have to agree with you here. Although Linux certainly has critical mass
on the server market, with a desktop penetration of about 1%, this is not
viable as a consumer product. Perhaps if there is sufficient interest a
bunch of us could develop our own opensource chartplotter software.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:42:29 +0200, "Meindert Sprang"

And because it's a whole new learning curve to climb, not the most
user friendly system in the world

Mmm... ever tried to install the lates SuSE? Almost like windows...

and there's not much help
available in the world outside of technology shops.

This is really amusing. Have you ever tried to get help for a windows
related problem? Most computers are sold with XP OEM, where the dealer is
supposed to support you. Most dealers only have the knowledge to tell you
how to reinstall in case of a "dark" problem. Call microsoft and you have to
draw your plastic first.

Now in case of Linux, your just post your question in a linux related
newsgroup and within the hour you have a dozen suggestions how to solve your
problem. For free!

All that, plus
the lack of a standardized graphical user interface, means that its
going to be a while before Linux shows up on our laptops.

For eons, long before the conception of a windows-like thing on a PC there
was X-windows for unix. And it's still there. Standard. The only thing that
varies amongst installations is the window manager, responsible for the look
and feel. But every linux distribution comes with the same set of window
managers, of which KDE seems to be the most popular and the most
windows-loolalike. How do you mean, there's no standard?

Meindert

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:09:57 GMT, "BillP" wrote:

Triggered by the above remark I wonder why no company has yet written a
decent navigation package running on Linux.

Because once they made three sales to people who actually use Linux on their
boat, they'd have 100% of the potential market...

Make it four. I would gladly drop WIndows on any machine that didn't
need it for a particular app.

Mandrake Linux is the slickest and most troublefree installation I
have ever tried. You don't have to be a geek to install it. Indeed it
practically installs itself.

So, for a boat computer, what do I need.

A word processor for the log--Xemacs is fine

A program to monitor the serial ports and log NMEA inputs and
time-stamp them into a text file, that can be pasted into the log
on xemacs.

A nav-chart program that uses free vector charts.

If I take it ashore to a modem connection, I use Windoze because I
can run PMMail, a converted OS2 program that lets me check headeers
on the POP3 server, and delete spam before I download messages. I
haven't seen a linux app that works that way.

All easy except the last two.



I have no financial interest, etc etc.


Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC


We have achieved faith-based science,
faith-based economics, faith-based law
enforcement, and faith-based missile
defense.
What's next? Faith-based air traffic control?

On 2004-08-27 16:31:47 +1000, "Meindert Sprang"
said:

"NIFFOCBT" wrote in message
...
Can you integrate several Sensors?.

Of course he can; with our multiplexers :-)

The type of plotter they use can sink and swim someone if
it is not done right. If a plotter is not set up correctly or fails at a
crucial moment then whats the use. You dont use a plotter on a nice
sunny
day. You use it when you are lost, tired, or in bad weather.


Triggered by the above remark I wonder why no company has yet written a
decent navigation package running on Linux.
I know this will stir up something, but I have been on a ship, developing
software to control a KVM switch that knitted 12 LCD's and 10 computers
together. All computers were running XP (!) except the one I installed for
controlling the KVM switch. This one ran linux and did the routing to four
selectable internet connections as well. Many of these computers had the
occasional crash, but the only one that kept on running was the Linux box.

Meindert
www.shipmodul.com

Well at the risk of stiring things up more...

We allready have a major unix based desktop that has very good
reliability and lots of applications software. It's called MacOS X. BSD
based it is really very good and very reliable. The major problem with
charting software for me is that all the packages I've looked at for
the Mac have support for BSB charts. This is great for NA and Europe
but utterly useless for Australia. ARCS and S57 are the way to go for
the future as this is where 'official' data will come from (hydro
offices).

Before anyone tries to convince me that there are BSB formated charts
for Australia I suggest you really look at the issue. There are none
that are usefull. This has been confirmed through several charting
software developers. Charting software is useless without charts!

The major commercial packages that support C-Map are a possibility as
both C-Map and Navonics have data sets that cover Australia. Just my 2
cents worth.

--
Regards,
John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789
S/V Chagall