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Battery Water (revisited)
I found it at an old style auto supply distributor. The old kind with
belts of all kinds hanging on the walls, 2" of dust on everything and Mathusala working on a big chaw of tobakee behind the counter. :-) I did find them on the web though at several places. Here is one: http://www.widgets.ws/prod/AutoBarnc...ry-Filler.html Glen Wilson wrote: On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:52:16 -0400, Glenn Ashmore tempted fate with: I built a retainer right next to the battery boxes for one of those black plastic battery fillers. For you younger guys that is an artifact once found in those extinct institutions called "Full service gas stations". It holds two quarts of distilled water and you just pop a cap, stick it in and it tops off the cell to the right level. Cripes, where'd you find that? I'm tired of spilling water from those little squeeze bulb thingys that hold about an ounce and drip half of it onto the top of the battery. Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, an NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:59:50 GMT, "Glen Wiley Wilson"
wrote: On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:52:16 -0400, Glenn Ashmore tempted fate with: I built a retainer right next to the battery boxes for one of those black plastic battery fillers. For you younger guys that is an artifact once found in those extinct institutions called "Full service gas stations". It holds two quarts of distilled water and you just pop a cap, stick it in and it tops off the cell to the right level. Cripes, where'd you find that? I'm tired of spilling water from those little squeeze bulb thingys that hold about an ounce and drip half of it onto the top of the battery. I use one of those 1 litre water bottles with a pull valve on the cap. Don't spill too much with it. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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JC Whitney has them for about $15 each...get some dock mates together and
order more than one so that the shipping and handling cost gets reduced. Regards- Charlie "Glen Wiley Wilson" wrote in message ... On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:52:16 -0400, Glenn Ashmore tempted fate with: I built a retainer right next to the battery boxes for one of those black plastic battery fillers. For you younger guys that is an artifact once found in those extinct institutions called "Full service gas stations". It holds two quarts of distilled water and you just pop a cap, stick it in and it tops off the cell to the right level. Cripes, where'd you find that? I'm tired of spilling water from those little squeeze bulb thingys that hold about an ounce and drip half of it onto the top of the battery. Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, an NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
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You can get one at pretty much any auto parts house.
"Glen Wiley Wilson" wrote in message ... On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:52:16 -0400, Glenn Ashmore tempted fate with: I built a retainer right next to the battery boxes for one of those black plastic battery fillers. For you younger guys that is an artifact once found in those extinct institutions called "Full service gas stations". It holds two quarts of distilled water and you just pop a cap, stick it in and it tops off the cell to the right level. Cripes, where'd you find that? I'm tired of spilling water from those little squeeze bulb thingys that hold about an ounce and drip half of it onto the top of the battery. Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, an NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
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Maynard G. Krebbs wrote: On 30 Sep 2003 22:21:31 GMT, (BOEING377) wrote: Do those so called catalytic battery caps actually work? The are supposed to use a catalyst recombine outgassing molecules back into H2O which drips back into the battery cell. I am sceptical. I think it's in Calder's boat maitainence book where he says they work but you should remove them before equilizing your wet-cell batteries because of the pressure buildup. The Hydrocaps are basically a large baffeled cap with a small piece of a catylist in it. The catylist makes the hydrogen recombine with oxygen. The reaction produces water which drips back into the battery and some heat. The hydrogen in the water takes up a lot less space than the hydrogen gas so the pressure inside the battery is slightly lower than the air outside. This pulls more air in through the baffels so that there is more oxygen to be combined with the outgassing hydrogen. Like I said, the reaction produces heat. During normal charging the heat is radiated off the fins on the caps but during equalizing the battery produces a LOT more hydrogen. When all that extra hydrogen starts recombining the caps can get hot enough to melt. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Surrette, says that they work fine and solve all problems, even during
equalization. Certainly if they don't work during equalization, they're worth less (not "worthless", just "worth less"). I guess I trust Surrette -- the family has been making boat batteries for a long time -- but I'll still have a vent above the battery box. I saw a Hinckley 70 in Bermuda in 1996 that was going back to Maine to be repaired after a battery explosion. They were gel cells, mounted under a bunk, with no vent. Wasn't a pretty sight. Lucky there was no one in the stateroom at the time. Even gel cells need venting. -- Jim Woodward www.mvFintry.com ... "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:ejgrb.12352$62.2320@lakeread04... Maynard G. Krebbs wrote: On 30 Sep 2003 22:21:31 GMT, (BOEING377) wrote: Do those so called catalytic battery caps actually work? The are supposed to use a catalyst recombine outgassing molecules back into H2O which drips back into the battery cell. I am sceptical. I think it's in Calder's boat maitainence book where he says they work but you should remove them before equilizing your wet-cell batteries because of the pressure buildup. The Hydrocaps are basically a large baffeled cap with a small piece of a catylist in it. The catylist makes the hydrogen recombine with oxygen. The reaction produces water which drips back into the battery and some heat. The hydrogen in the water takes up a lot less space than the hydrogen gas so the pressure inside the battery is slightly lower than the air outside. This pulls more air in through the baffels so that there is more oxygen to be combined with the outgassing hydrogen. Like I said, the reaction produces heat. During normal charging the heat is radiated off the fins on the caps but during equalizing the battery produces a LOT more hydrogen. When all that extra hydrogen starts recombining the caps can get hot enough to melt. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Interesting. George Peroni at Hydrocap says to remove them before
equalizing. If they get to hot to touch either a cell is bad or you are charging to hard. Peroni is an odd bird. If you both have the time he will talk your ears off. Reminds me a lot of Mr. Surrette. I have had the privilege of receiving sermons from both. :-) Peroni takes a different position about equalizing. He claims that it is not needed with modern 3 stage chargers and actually reduce service life. Jim Woodward wrote: Surrette, says that they work fine and solve all problems, even during equalization. Certainly if they don't work during equalization, they're worth less (not "worthless", just "worth less"). I guess I trust Surrette -- the family has been making boat batteries for a long time -- but I'll still have a vent above the battery box. I saw a Hinckley 70 in Bermuda in 1996 that was going back to Maine to be repaired after a battery explosion. They were gel cells, mounted under a bunk, with no vent. Wasn't a pretty sight. Lucky there was no one in the stateroom at the time. Even gel cells need venting. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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This was old man Surrette's son, IIRC, but they were cast out of the same
mold. Maybe it's genetic? I only know what I read in Nigel Calder and learn from conversations with people like Surrette and here. I certainly don't equalize blindly, only if the hydrometer or a voltage test tells me that the cell voltages are unequal. It seems illogical, though, to put on caps to conserve precious distilled water and then take them off for an operation that you know wastes a lot of it. (Distilled water is easy to get in the USA, but try finding it in the boonies....) -- Jim Woodward www.mvFintry.com .. "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:K3srb.12618$62.7550@lakeread04... Interesting. George Peroni at Hydrocap says to remove them before equalizing. If they get to hot to touch either a cell is bad or you are charging to hard. Peroni is an odd bird. If you both have the time he will talk your ears off. Reminds me a lot of Mr. Surrette. I have had the privilege of receiving sermons from both. :-) Peroni takes a different position about equalizing. He claims that it is not needed with modern 3 stage chargers and actually reduce service life. Jim Woodward wrote: Surrette, says that they work fine and solve all problems, even during equalization. Certainly if they don't work during equalization, they're worth less (not "worthless", just "worth less"). I guess I trust Surrette -- the family has been making boat batteries for a long time -- but I'll still have a vent above the battery box. I saw a Hinckley 70 in Bermuda in 1996 that was going back to Maine to be repaired after a battery explosion. They were gel cells, mounted under a bunk, with no vent. Wasn't a pretty sight. Lucky there was no one in the stateroom at the time. Even gel cells need venting. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Battery Water (revisited)
try rainwater, try carrying 2 gals of distilled water, try stream
water in rural areas, try carrying a handheld tds meter to test all your water even ro watermaker water. I've been all over the boonies - maybe hard to find in high dry deserts - so carry water. It seems illogical, though, to put on caps to conserve precious distilled water and then take them off for an operation that you know wastes a lot of it. (Distilled water is easy to get in the USA, but try finding it in the boonies....) |
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