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Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World
Magazine. I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the arrogance, the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the abuse of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! ! BUSHWHACKED!!!!!! GL |
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If you are indeed as outraged as you claim and are an American citizen
or have boating friends that are American citizens then please, please organize a mass effort to get out in November and overthrow the current monarchy ruling the US with the power of your vote. The boating community in the US is many times larger than the Cuban- American community in Miami and we need to show it. These policies are designed to get the south Florida vote and nothing else. If we unite to drown out that voice, sanity and clear thinking can return to this country. VOTE OUT THE BU**** IN NOVEMBER. "Gabriel Latrémouille" wrote in message e.rogers.com... Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World Magazine. I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the arrogance, the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the abuse of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! ! BUSHWHACKED!!!!!! GL |
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So what has Cuba done to protet this action?
Doug s/v Callista "Chuck Baier" wrote in message om... If you are indeed as outraged as you claim and are an American citizen or have boating friends that are American citizens then please, please organize a mass effort to get out in November and overthrow the current monarchy ruling the US with the power of your vote. The boating community in the US is many times larger than the Cuban- American community in Miami and we need to show it. These policies are designed to get the south Florida vote and nothing else. If we unite to drown out that voice, sanity and clear thinking can return to this country. VOTE OUT THE BU**** IN NOVEMBER. "Gabriel Latrémouille" wrote in message e.rogers.com... Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World Magazine. I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the arrogance, the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the abuse of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! ! BUSHWHACKED!!!!!! GL |
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So what do you care so much about Cuba? Go to the Bahamas or any other
Island there |
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As outraged as I am about the recent decree regarding anything to do
with the Cuban people, it has been going on for years, although maybe not quite as bad as the Bush people. (And I truly believe the statement made by John Livingsone, mayor of London who said, "I really believe that George W. Bush is the greatest treat to life on this planet." Capt. Jeff |
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In article s.com, "O:P\)" wrote:
So what do you care so much about Cuba? Go to the Bahamas or any other Island there Yes, just do as your told and no one will get hurt. Welcome to the land of the free. |
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In article , "Doug Dotson" wrote:
So what has Cuba done to protet this action? Doug s/v Callista Not sure what you're asking, Doug. "Chuck Baier" wrote in message . com... If you are indeed as outraged as you claim and are an American citizen or have boating friends that are American citizens then please, please organize a mass effort to get out in November and overthrow the current monarchy ruling the US with the power of your vote. The boating community in the US is many times larger than the Cuban- American community in Miami and we need to show it. These policies are designed to get the south Florida vote and nothing else. If we unite to drown out that voice, sanity and clear thinking can return to this country. VOTE OUT THE BU**** IN NOVEMBER. "Gabriel Latrémouille" wrote in message le.rogers.com... Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World Magazine. I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the arrogance, the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the abuse of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! ! BUSHWHACKED!!!!!! GL |
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Clearly cruising to Cuba does much more to enhance their economy
than ours. If Cuba isn't raising a fuss about this new policy, then why should I get my shorts in a wad over it. The only reason that folks have cruised to Cuba since it has been allowed over the past few years is to impress others (ie. "Look at me, I'm so brave that I went to Cuba"). There are plenty of other places to go that are nicer and alot less hassle. If Cuba wants our tourism then let them say so and fight for it. Otherwise, screw them! Doug s/v Callista "Paul Revere" wrote in message news:aDBnc.23274$5a.1290@okepread03... In article , "Doug Dotson" wrote: So what has Cuba done to protet this action? Doug s/v Callista Not sure what you're asking, Doug. "Chuck Baier" wrote in message . com... If you are indeed as outraged as you claim and are an American citizen or have boating friends that are American citizens then please, please organize a mass effort to get out in November and overthrow the current monarchy ruling the US with the power of your vote. The boating community in the US is many times larger than the Cuban- American community in Miami and we need to show it. These policies are designed to get the south Florida vote and nothing else. If we unite to drown out that voice, sanity and clear thinking can return to this country. VOTE OUT THE BU**** IN NOVEMBER. "Gabriel Latrémouille" wrote in message le.rogers.com... Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World Magazine. I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the arrogance, the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the abuse of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! ! BUSHWHACKED!!!!!! GL |
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"I really believe
that George W. Bush is the greatest treat to life on this planet." Capt. Jeff agreed; a treat indeed cheers oz |
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Doug Dotson wrote: So what has Cuba done to protet this action? No reason to. It just gives Castro more reasons to blame the US for his problems. All Bush is trying to do is insure the Cuban vote in Florida. As non ethnic Cuban sailors wanting to cruise Cuba, we have been at risk for the last 3 years. What the actual effect of this new rule is to reduce the amount CUBAN Americans can send down from about $750 mil/year in half. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Gabriel Latrémouille wrote:
Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World Magazine. I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the arrogance, the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the abuse of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! I guess I'm most surprised that you're just now learning about this. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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Doug Dotson wrote:
... The only reason that folks have cruised to Cuba since it has been allowed over the past few years is to impress others (ie. "Look at me, I'm so brave that I went to Cuba") ... Are you quite certain about this? Manu folks I know who have cruised Cuba (i.e., not merely jumped over to Marina Hemingway and jumped back to Florida) are not at all ready to make a fuss about their trip, since they are aware of the US position and of the lengths the US government will go to in order to make examples of citizens who violate Treasury regulations. In addition, the case can easily be made that Cuba is not at all like other destinations available to East Coast sailors. First and most obviously, it's a totalitarian state with all that implies. You don't get to visit too many places like that in a small boat these days. Second, the Cuban people are simply unlike other people in the hemisphere. They have had a unique experience, both culturally and governmentally, and learning about this (as much as possible) is itself definitely worthwhile. Third, there are no crowds. There is still a "wild west" flavor to anchoring in out-of-the-way harbors along the Cuban coast that just cannot be described. This is definitely _not_ 450 boats anchored in George Town Exuma for the morning VHF roll call. Fourth, the interior is lush and dramatic, and varies from the harsh culture of sugar cultivation in the east to the maternal farming methods of tobacco in the west. There is a lot to see and learn along the way. Fifth, if you like music, there are few places in the hemisphere to match what's available in Cuba. An argument can be made that the best baseball players, the best tobacco, and the best music originate in Cuba.. Sixth, getting a glimpse of the human side of the above issues is an invaluable experience. It certainly gives one a different perspective on the bountiful country we live in here in the US. Other than these few items, I don't think we differ much in our opinions. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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While the original proposal released to the media touted the restriction
of Cuban Americans sending money to relatives in Cuba the actual policy does not. The "official" amount of money transferred is about $1B but considerably more than that leaves Miami via couriers through Mexico. It does however add some pretty Draconian penalties for non-Cuban Americans traveling there. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Hello Gabriel Latrémouille and other Bush haters.
Comrades it is indeed most excellent of you and others to lend your support to us wonderful Cubans. As you know we are a truly wonderful people. I, as dictator, wish let you know that you are all welcome to come and visit as much as you like as long as you follow a few simple rules. Since private property is unnecessary in this workers paradise, once your boat arrived in our waters it is immediately the property of the state. I consider our finest moment to be the dislocation of so many from their property and not having to compensate them for it. We hope you have very nice boats. The Cuban navy will put them to good use. On the other hand, the weather is very nice and you can enjoy the sunshine and work on your tan. If you come to our country, expect to stay. You can only return to the United States if you become criminally insane, infected with HIV, are a murderer, homosexual, or have any other honest to god psychopathy. Speaking of god--we don't have one here in this paradise so please leave your saint christopher medals outside our border. You will not need any of those US dollars either because here everything for sale is free. We'll take those dollars off your hands right away. Right now we are out of everything. So there's not much for sale but you can get an excellent deal on everything on our shelves. It's free!!!!! There's plenty of jobs--remember this is a workers paradise. All the workers are happy and fully employed. We have no crime here--being a workers paradise. Every one here is giddy with joy. That's why we only send north the psychopaths, infected, homosexuals etc. For the life of me,I can't understand why so many of you comrades are mad at Bush 43. Before him, Bill Clinton had the same policies towards our paradise. And 43's father 41 had the same policy. And before him Regan, and before him, Jimmy Carter etc. right back to JFK. In CUBA, we have an especial affinity for those in the Democratic party. Afterall, they agree with us that no one "needs" guns except for the police and military. They are also beavering away in their congress attempting to raise the tax rates to 100% of all earned income over 1 cent. (JUST LIKE HERE!!!!!) Once GWB43 is voted out you can come and visit as much as you like. Unless you are from South Florida, and voted for GWB43. Even though democrats pander to every liberal, unionist, gay, statist group of people--we like them better than those hateful private property, free speech loving, industrious savers in South Florida. CommieFidel |
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On Sun, 09 May 2004 13:37:39 GMT, "Gabriel Latrémouille"
wrote: Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World Magazine. I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the arrogance, the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the abuse of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! ! BUSHWHACKED!!!!!! GL Can you post a reference to or a summary of the article? Can't find it on Cruisingworld.com... |
Sailing Cuba - a hysterical perspective
Blame Mussolini (sp?)! He was so hard on the Mafia that US mobsters helped
allied intellegence during WW2. Ike got so indebted to them for this help, and some 'personal' things they did for him that Charlie Lucky was released and allowed to carry his $millions back to Sicily. Meanwhile Ike's yes-man J-Edgar was proclaiming that no mob ever existed; but somehow non-existent US criminals controlled Cuba, made big $$$ off gambling and pimping local pretties and, more important, laundered the extortion money made in the USA. This in turn gave them even more $$$ to spend on crooked cops and politicians - which in turn gave them more political clout. Some thot it utopian. I mean why bust yer ass cutting cane when your 13 year old could turn tricks in Havana? But then Castro kicked out the mob-owned government, and became an international hero - until he stupidly interfered with Ike's buddies. Then Lansky & friends called in some chips and in the midst of a US tour Castro suddenly became a communist! I mean we *knew* he was a filthy commie because he appropriated 'private property' - namely the mobs casinos and whore houses - closed them down, and sent the girls home. So we slapped sanctions on him and he became worse! He nationalized the medical business and MDs could no longer make $million/year like in the states, so all the MDs moved to Florida. He cracked down on crime, so all the criminals moved to Florida. And when we really tightened the screws he got into bed with Kruchev! No wonder Bush hates him so. How can an honest criminal make money with the likes of Castro around?? Jeeze, it just 'taint right. And that's why you can't go there ..... (c: |
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"Armond Perretta" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: ... The only reason that folks have cruised to Cuba since it has been allowed over the past few years is to impress others (ie. "Look at me, I'm so brave that I went to Cuba") ... Are you quite certain about this? Manu folks I know who have cruised Cuba (i.e., not merely jumped over to Marina Hemingway and jumped back to Florida) are not at all ready to make a fuss about their trip, since they are aware of the US position and of the lengths the US government will go to in order to make examples of citizens who violate Treasury regulations. I guess I meant the one that fill the cruising mags with stories of their adventures. In addition, the case can easily be made that Cuba is not at all like other destinations available to East Coast sailors. True, so why would I want to go there? First and most obviously, it's a totalitarian state with all that implies. You don't get to visit too many places like that in a small boat these days. Doesn't sound like a very pleasant place to go if you ask me. Second, the Cuban people are simply unlike other people in the hemisphere. They have had a unique experience, both culturally and governmentally, and learning about this (as much as possible) is itself definitely worthwhile. Possibly, but I don't have to cruise there to do that. Third, there are no crowds. There is still a "wild west" flavor to anchoring in out-of-the-way harbors along the Cuban coast that just cannot be described. This is definitely _not_ 450 boats anchored in George Town Exuma for the morning VHF roll call. Not sure that cruising the wild-west is a fun thing. It's those arrows in my back that bother me. Fourth, the interior is lush and dramatic, and varies from the harsh culture of sugar cultivation in the east to the maternal farming methods of tobacco in the west. There is a lot to see and learn along the way. So is Costa Rica, Peurto Rico, and dozens of other places. Fifth, if you like music, there are few places in the hemisphere to match what's available in Cuba. An argument can be made that the best baseball players, the best tobacco, and the best music originate in Cuba.. I still don't have to go there to appreciate. Sixth, getting a glimpse of the human side of the above issues is an invaluable experience. It certainly gives one a different perspective on the bountiful country we live in here in the US. Sure, I love vacations where I can emerse myself in other peoples misery. Other than these few items, I don't think we differ much in our opinions. Agreed. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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Doug Dotson wrote:
Doug, I scanned the article. Basically the proclamation by Bush says that Homeland Security can sieze your boat and toss you and all the people off of it (and maybe into the clink) ANYWHERE in America (meaning if you're setting in Seattle or Chicago) if they "think" you "might" be going to Cuba or "might have been" to Cuba. You don't actually have to travel there. Oh yeah...this goes for ANY boat. Meaning if you're from, say Mexico or any other nation in the world, and you're in an American port Homeland Security can seize your boat. -- Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen. -- Winston Churchill |
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I know, I read it too.
Doug s/v Callista "Cardinal Bill" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: Doug, I scanned the article. Basically the proclamation by Bush says that Homeland Security can sieze your boat and toss you and all the people off of it (and maybe into the clink) ANYWHERE in America (meaning if you're setting in Seattle or Chicago) if they "think" you "might" be going to Cuba or "might have been" to Cuba. You don't actually have to travel there. Oh yeah...this goes for ANY boat. Meaning if you're from, say Mexico or any other nation in the world, and you're in an American port Homeland Security can seize your boat. -- Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen. -- Winston Churchill |
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So, I think that I would love to sail to Cuba. What can those in power do
about confiscating my boat? "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... I know, I read it too. Doug s/v Callista "Cardinal Bill" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: Doug, I scanned the article. Basically the proclamation by Bush says that Homeland Security can sieze your boat and toss you and all the people off of it (and maybe into the clink) ANYWHERE in America (meaning if you're setting in Seattle or Chicago) if they "think" you "might" be going to Cuba or "might have been" to Cuba. You don't actually have to travel there. Oh yeah...this goes for ANY boat. Meaning if you're from, say Mexico or any other nation in the world, and you're in an American port Homeland Security can seize your boat. -- Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen. -- Winston Churchill |
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"Cardinal Bill" wrote..... Basically the proclamation by Bush says that Homeland Security can sieze your boat and toss you and all the people off of it (and maybe into the clink) ANYWHERE in America (meaning if you're setting in Seattle or Chicago) if they "think" you "might" be going to Cuba or "might have been" to Cuba. You don't actually have to travel there. Oh yeah...this goes for ANY boat. Meaning if you're from, say Mexico or any other nation in the world, and you're in an American port Homeland Security can seize your boat. Whoa! Just a damn minute here! What's that!!! Are you saying that your US Homeland Security Force can seize my boat if I happen to go across Lake Huron to an American Port, just because I have traveled to Cuba? I am a Canadian who travels on a Canadian registered vessel. My government has no restrictions on travel to Cuba. Were does it say this? Show me the law that states this, please! This past February was my seventh trip to cruise Cuba and it's waters. It is a great place to visit and the people are wonderful. James D. Carter, Port Captain, GLCC "The Boat" Bayfield Canada |
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Sailing Cuba - a hysterical perspective
A bit exaggerated but there is a thread of truth. Actually, one of the
current main forces behind the embargo is Alfonso Fanjul, owner of Flo-Sun Sugar. He is probably one of the most powerful figures in Florida politics and gets about $65 million a year in government sugar subsidies while he pours tons of nitrogen into the Florida Bay poisoning the keys and blaming it on us boaters. Dan Burton and Jessie Helms (of the Helms-Burton embargo act) got about 15% of their campaign funds from the Fanjul family. In '92 Alfonso was co-chair of the Clinton Florida campaign while his brother Pepe was treasurer for Bush I and Dole. BOTH Fanjuls are big buddies with brother Jeb and have close access to the White House. Vito wrote: Blame Mussolini (sp?)! He was so hard on the Mafia that US mobsters helped allied intellegence during WW2. Ike got so indebted to them for this help, and some 'personal' things they did for him that Charlie Lucky was released and allowed to carry his $millions back to Sicily. Meanwhile Ike's yes-man J-Edgar was proclaiming that no mob ever existed; but somehow non-existent US criminals controlled Cuba, made big $$$ off gambling and pimping local pretties and, more important, laundered the extortion money made in the USA. This in turn gave them even more $$$ to spend on crooked cops and politicians - which in turn gave them more political clout. Some thot it utopian. I mean why bust yer ass cutting cane when your 13 year old could turn tricks in Havana? But then Castro kicked out the mob-owned government, and became an international hero - until he stupidly interfered with Ike's buddies. Then Lansky & friends called in some chips and in the midst of a US tour Castro suddenly became a communist! I mean we *knew* he was a filthy commie because he appropriated 'private property' - namely the mobs casinos and whore houses - closed them down, and sent the girls home. So we slapped sanctions on him and he became worse! He nationalized the medical business and MDs could no longer make $million/year like in the states, so all the MDs moved to Florida. He cracked down on crime, so all the criminals moved to Florida. And when we really tightened the screws he got into bed with Kruchev! No wonder Bush hates him so. How can an honest criminal make money with the likes of Castro around?? Jeeze, it just 'taint right. And that's why you can't go there ..... (c: -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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OOOO! Now you did it!
"FMc" wrote in message ... So, I think that I would love to sail to Cuba. What can those in power do about confiscating my boat? "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... I know, I read it too. Doug s/v Callista "Cardinal Bill" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: Doug, I scanned the article. Basically the proclamation by Bush says that Homeland Security can sieze your boat and toss you and all the people off of it (and maybe into the clink) ANYWHERE in America (meaning if you're setting in Seattle or Chicago) if they "think" you "might" be going to Cuba or "might have been" to Cuba. You don't actually have to travel there. Oh yeah...this goes for ANY boat. Meaning if you're from, say Mexico or any other nation in the world, and you're in an American port Homeland Security can seize your boat. -- Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen. -- Winston Churchill |
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message news:cWTnc.24135 Whoa! Just a damn minute here! What's that!!! Are you saying that your US Homeland Security Force can seize my boat if I happen to go across Lake Huron to an American Port, just because I have traveled to Cuba? I am a Canadian who travels on a Canadian registered vessel. My government has no restrictions on travel to Cuba. Were does it say this? Show me the law that states this, please! This past February was my seventh trip to cruise Cuba and it's waters. It is a great place to visit and the people are wonderful. James D. Carter, Port Captain, GLCC "The Boat" Bayfield Canada Oh oh! Now that the 'cat is out of the bag' you'd better stay away from the US. Next thing we'll be reading about you stripped naked and led around on a dog leash. |
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"Jim Carter" wrote:
Whoa! Just a damn minute here! What's that!!! Are you saying that your US Homeland Security Force can seize my boat if I happen to go across Lake Huron to an American Port, just because I have traveled to Cuba? 'Fraid so. That's what the Bush Cabal - I mean, Administration, claims. I am a Canadian who travels on a Canadian registered vessel. Don't make no diff to them that rules here now. My government has no restrictions on travel to Cuba. Where does it say this? Show me the law that states this, please! Law? HAHA They don' need no steenking "Law". They IS the Law. Remember "9/11 changed everything!" They do whatever they want, and any reasons can be made up at any time. This past February was my seventh trip to cruise Cuba and it's waters. It is a great place to visit and the people are wonderful. Obviously a commie-pink-limpwrist-nonFundamentalistGawdfearin'-furriner! (After Iraq we'll take care o' Canada...) :P {Reality: Every week that goes by I feel like I am sinking ever deeper into a bad dream. I hope everyone wakes up in time to VOTE in November and restore the chance for freedom here in the US} |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Oh oh! Now that the 'cat is out of the bag' you'd better stay away from the US. Next thing we'll be reading about you stripped naked and led around on a dog leash. Now, that's funny! I damn near fell off my chair laughing, just thinking about it. Jim |
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{Reality: Every week that goes by I feel like I am sinking ever deeper
into a bad dream. I hope everyone wakes up in time to VOTE in November and restore the chance for freedom here in the US} Vote for who? Kerry? I suppose he was for freedom before he was against it. Or was it the other way around? Which way is the wind blowing? :) Doug s/v Callista |
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Doug Dotson wrote: {Reality: Every week that goes by I feel like I am sinking ever deeper into a bad dream. I hope everyone wakes up in time to VOTE in November and restore the chance for freedom here in the US} Vote for who? Kerry? I suppose he was for freedom before he was against it. Or was it the other way around? Which way is the wind blowing? :) I hate to get into a political discussion on a news group that almost uniquely has remained free of them, especially when I don't like either of the candidates but something is going terribly askew here. According to a letter to the Senate Finance Committee from the head of the Office of Foreign Assets Control, which is supposed to be tracking terrorist funds, they have been allocated only enough funds for 4 people to track Al Quida finances and more than two dozen tracking Cuban travel. Somebody needs to get their priorities in order. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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"Glenn Ashmore" writes: I hate to get into a political discussion on a news group that almost uniquely has remained free of them, especially when I don't like either of the candidates but something is going terribly askew here. According to a letter to the Senate Finance Committee from the head of the Office of Foreign Assets Control, which is supposed to be tracking terrorist funds, they have been allocated only enough funds for 4 people to track Al Quida finances and more than two dozen tracking Cuban travel. Somebody needs to get their priorities in order. In more ways than one. Must admit I'm somewhat of a news/politics junkie. Find it more entertaining than those idiotic sitcoms on TV. What I find most interesting is the number of groups that have been formed not to get a particular person elected, but to try to insure that Bush does not get reelected. Strange things happen sometimes. Lew |
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In article , To wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2004 02:16:41 GMT, (Paul Revere) wrote: In article s.com, "O:P\)" wrote: So what do you care so much about Cuba? Go to the Bahamas or any other Island there Yes, just do as your told and no one will get hurt. Welcome to the land of the free. I'm sure you could find a place to live more "free" and you will not have to complain. Hey, how about "free" Cuba? You know what, Wally, I don't care that much about how "free" people are in Cuba; I don't live there. I live in the US and what I do care about, Wally, is how free people are HERE. If you want to live in a country where people don't complain, at least not out loud, I'm sure you can find a place to live that will suit you better than the US. Hey, how about complaint "free" Cuba. |
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In article , Dick Locke wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2004 13:37:39 GMT, "Gabriel Latrémouille" wrote: Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World Magazine. I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the arrogance, the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the abuse of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! ! BUSHWHACKED!!!!!! GL Can you post a reference to or a summary of the article? Can't find it on Cruisingworld.com... http://www.cruisingworld.com/article...ID=419&catID=0 |
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In article , "Doug Dotson" wrote:
{Reality: Every week that goes by I feel like I am sinking ever deeper into a bad dream. I hope everyone wakes up in time to VOTE in November and restore the chance for freedom here in the US} Vote for who? Kerry? I suppose he was for freedom before he was against it. Or was it the other way around? Which way is the wind blowing? :) Doug s/v Callista Bush the flip flopper 1. Department of Homeland Security BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY... "So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02] ...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02] 2. Weapons of Mass Destruction BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION... "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03] BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons. And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04] 3. Free Trade BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02] ...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03] 4. Osama Bin Laden BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01] BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important." [President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02] 5. The Environment BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00] BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03] 6. WMD Commission BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04] ...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04] 7. Creation of the 9/11 Commission BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02] ...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02] 8. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04] ...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04] 9. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President **** Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said." [NY Times, 2/26/04] ...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04] 10. Gay Marriage BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00] ...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04] 11. Nation Building BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00] ...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03] 12. Saddam/al Qaeda Link BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02] ...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03] 13. U.N. Resolution BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03] ...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03] 14. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02] BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03] 15. Campaign Finance BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000] BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold singing ceremony, 03/27/02] I could go on, but maybe you get the drift. |
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"Lew Hodgett" said:
What I find most interesting is the number of groups that have been formed not to get a particular person elected, but to try to insure that Bush does not get reelected. Dave wrote: Those groups are simply a fairly transparent attempt by a bunch of left-leaning billionaires to flout the campaign finance law. Ah yes, so you think it's just peachy when right-leaning billionaires do it? In any event, it is not "flouting the campaign finance law" at all, it is due to the recent reforms and is quite legal. Please do not bring any more political discussion here, this has been a very nice newsgroup. DSK |
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DSK wrote:
Please do not bring any more political discussion here, this has been a very nice newsgroup. There's always the possibility that this is a great place _because_ we know how to talk politics (or fiberglass, or what have you) rather than because we _avoid_ such. Pure speculation, mind you. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 01:16:28 GMT, "Jim Carter"
wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Oh oh! Now that the 'cat is out of the bag' you'd better stay away from the US. Next thing we'll be reading about you stripped naked and led around on a dog leash. Now, that's funny! I damn near fell off my chair laughing, just thinking about it. Well, I was watching theTravel Show on BBC last night. Some people were quite serious about avoiding the US as holiday destination, as there is a remote possibility of being treated real bad by the INS. Overstayed your visa many years back, airline did not inform the INS about your departure, maybe mistake you for someone else etc. Even well-behaving WASP businessmen end up in jail and deported. Been to the US many times, but now it is off my list, especially as we have small children I want to keep away from problems. There are plenty of other destinations, were even aliens have legal rights. Mike Jim |
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I can't say that I blame you. I love my country, but for the last dozen
years, I have been disgusted and ashamed of it's leadership. I wonder how much worse it's going to have to get before people wake up and vote some people into the congress and white house who actually believe in the constitution. Mika wrote: On Tue, 11 May 2004 01:16:28 GMT, "Jim Carter" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Oh oh! Now that the 'cat is out of the bag' you'd better stay away from the US. Next thing we'll be reading about you stripped naked and led around on a dog leash. Now, that's funny! I damn near fell off my chair laughing, just thinking about it. Well, I was watching theTravel Show on BBC last night. Some people were quite serious about avoiding the US as holiday destination, as there is a remote possibility of being treated real bad by the INS. Overstayed your visa many years back, airline did not inform the INS about your departure, maybe mistake you for someone else etc. Even well-behaving WASP businessmen end up in jail and deported. Been to the US many times, but now it is off my list, especially as we have small children I want to keep away from problems. There are plenty of other destinations, were even aliens have legal rights. Mike Jim -- Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448 B-2/75 1977-1979 Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean" http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG |
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