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Armond Perretta wrote:
There's always the possibility that this is a great place _because_ we know
how to talk politics (or fiberglass, or what have you) rather than because
we _avoid_ such. Pure speculation, mind you.

It's possible. But there are a lot of mindless people who will jump in
here and make it just like rec.boats, only without the fishing threads.

I certainly don't mind intelligent well-reasoned discussions of
politics, especially when there are issues raised that are important for
cruising, such as the Cuba prohibition and the ICW neglect. And most
regulars here would most likely be fine with that.

But we've already seen malicious personal attacks on contributors such
as Chuck Gould, motivated solely by spite of what he's posted in another
newsgroup. More of that? No, thanks.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:
... we've already seen malicious personal attacks on contributors
such as Chuck Gould, motivated solely by spite of what he's posted
in another newsgroup ...

My wife only let's me read this group.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

On Tuesday 11 May 2004 10:26 pm in rec.boats.cruising Armond Perretta wrote:

DSK wrote:
... we've already seen malicious personal attacks on contributors
such as Chuck Gould, motivated solely by spite of what he's posted
in another newsgroup ...

My wife only let's me read this group.
-----------------^

DAMMIT stop BLAM abusing BLAM the BLAM apostrophe.

Chris Newport wrote:

DAMMIT stop BLAM abusing BLAM the BLAM apostrophe.

Carefull if you do that too much you'll loose your cool. :-)

--
I am a friend of the working man, and I would rather be his friend
than be one.
-- Clarence Darrow

You need to read "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynn Truss. GREAT book
for apostrophobes.

Note: Usually I put the author first but I am not sure how to make
Truss posessive. Truss'? Truss's? Truss'es?

Chris Newport wrote:
On Tuesday 11 May 2004 10:26 pm in rec.boats.cruising Armond Perretta wrote:

DSK wrote:

... we've already seen malicious personal attacks on contributors
such as Chuck Gould, motivated solely by spite of what he's posted
in another newsgroup ...

My wife only let's me read this group.

-----------------^

DAMMIT stop BLAM abusing BLAM the BLAM apostrophe.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

EVEN BETTER! http://eatsshootsandleaves.com/ESLquiz.html
--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Chris Newport wrote:
Armond Perretta wrote:

My wife only let's [sic] me read this group.

DAMMIT stop BLAM abusing BLAM the BLAM apostrophe.

Thanks for the suggestion, Chris. BTW is this your work?

"DC arcs are harder to quench than AC, this can cause the
contacts to rapidly erode and/or weld together."

Google maintains that it is.

Here's the offer. I'll stop making mindless typos if you'll stop writing
mindless run-on sentences.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

Gabriel Latrémouille wrote:
Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World
Magazine.
snip
ahem... George Bush can pucker up and kiss my Royal Canadian Arse.
I'll sail anywhere I g0*#@mn well please and it does not please me to
sail to the USA anytime soon. You poor sods. Have any of you actually
read what the "U.S.A. Patriot Act" has done to your constitutional
rights? Wake up and smell the coffee kids, you don't have any
constitutional rights any longer.

Dave wrote:
A cynic might conclude that material is objectionable as political only when
it is contrary to the views of the individual doing the shushing.

Or that since *you* are already posting politics, and nothing but
politics, to another sailing group, you don't need to repeat that
pattern here.

DSK

I believe the term is "zing!"

R.

On Tue, 11 May 2004 20:04:37 -0400, "Armond Perretta"
wrote:

Chris Newport wrote:
Armond Perretta wrote:

My wife only let's [sic] me read this group.

DAMMIT stop BLAM abusing BLAM the BLAM apostrophe.

Thanks for the suggestion, Chris. BTW is this your work?

"DC arcs are harder to quench than AC, this can cause the
contacts to rapidly erode and/or weld together."

Google maintains that it is.

Here's the offer. I'll stop making mindless typos if you'll stop writing
mindless run-on sentences.

On Tue, 11 May 2004 14:15:11 GMT, Dick Locke
wrote:

The Secretary is authorized to inspect any vessel, foreign or
domestic, in the territorial waters of the United States, at any time;
to place guards on any such vessel; and with my consent expressly
hereby granted to take full possession and control of any such vessel
and remove the officers and crew and all other persons not
speciffically authroized to go or remain on board the vessel when
necessary to secure the rights and obligations of the United States."

"Susceptible" indeed. What boat that can sail 90 miles isn't?

A lawyer could probably tell us whether "take full possesion and
control" means the same as confiscating and terminating ownership
rights.

So if I as a Canadian wish to sail to Cuba, which is really no foreign
country's concern, I guess I'm going via the Azores, because I'll be
damned if I'll enter the waters of the Fatherland if it can steal my
boat because I might visit a country some bagmen in Miami don't like.

Keep your laws off my boat, Bush. No wonder a lot of American sailors
argue the merits of sailing armed...it's to dissuade the Feds.

R.

Doug Dotson wrote:
So what has Cuba done to protet this action?

Well, we just found out. Castro has closed all stores that sell any
imported items claiming a need to conserve foreign exchange funds.
Obviously a political ploy because the new rules do little to actually
reduce the flow of money form Florida but it does give him one more
hardship forced on the Cuban people by the Bush administration.

If you look back at history for the past 50 years, Coca Cola, Levis and
rock and roll have been more effective at bringing down dictators than
any embargo.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Glenn Ashmore wrote:

If you look back at history for the past 50 years, Coca Cola, Levis
and rock and roll have been more effective at bringing down
dictators than any embargo.

Are you referring to _our_ dictators, or those other guys?

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

Dick Locke wrote:
The proclamation language is: [...]

The entire thing can be found via a web search for "Proclamation 7757 of
February 26, 2004"; it's available in a few corners of the web at this point.

It should also be available starting on page 9515 of this year's US
Federal Register (via http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/), but that's down as
I write this so I can't provide a URL.

It's interesting reading, both in the justifications and the edicts.

The entire thing can be found via a web search for "Proclamation 7757 of
February 26, 2004"; it's available in a few corners of the web at this point.

FR Doc 04-4634 This is frightening. If I had any doubts about getting rid of
Bush before, this cleared them up. It is ridicules for him to be doing this to
Cuba just to get the $ support from the Cuban exiles in Florida.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...t.access.gpo.g
ov/2004/04-4634.htm

Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1,
& Willy the Sleeze as well.

In article , RWKxxx
wrote:

The entire thing can be found via a web search for "Proclamation 7757 of
February 26, 2004"; it's available in a few corners of the web at this point.

FR Doc 04-4634 This is frightening. If I had any doubts about getting rid of
Bush before, this cleared them up. It is ridicules for him to be doing this to
Cuba just to get the $ support from the Cuban exiles in Florida.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...t.access.gpo.g
ov/2004/04-4634.htm

Rich Hampel wrote:
Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush
1, & Willy the Sleeze as well.

Agreed, but we already got rid of those guys, Rich. In about 6 months we'll
finish the job, and then it's smooth sailing to La Habana.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

Has Kerry stated his position vis-a-vis travel to Cuba? If so, I
haven't heard it. Has anyone else?

Armond Perretta wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:

Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush
1, & Willy the Sleeze as well.

Agreed, but we already got rid of those guys, Rich. In about 6 months we'll
finish the job, and then it's smooth sailing to La Habana.

--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean"
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG

I agree !!!!

But then we'll have to put up with rampant socialism, income taxes that
match the EU (70+%), .... maybe Ill even throw my medals across the
fence on the white house lawn.

Bush2 may be an idiot but the other is just a waffle.

In article , Armond Perretta
wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:
Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush
1, & Willy the Sleeze as well.

Agreed, but we already got rid of those guys, Rich. In about 6 months we'll
finish the job, and then it's smooth sailing to La Habana.

Rich Hampel wrote:
Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1,
& Willy the Sleeze as well.

Well, actually not quite. Carter did a major relaxation on the travel
ban, Reagan and George 1st sort of ignored it and Willie got scared of
the Miami Cubans and reinsitiuted most of it when that Cessna was shot down.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Rich Hampel wrote:

I agree !!!!

But then we'll have to put up with rampant socialism, income taxes that
match the EU (70+%), .... maybe Ill even throw my medals across the
fence on the white house lawn.

Bush2 may be an idiot but the other is just a waffle.

You been listening to to much AM radio.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Rich Hampel wrote:
I agree !!!!

But then we'll have to put up with rampant socialism, income taxes
that match the EU (70+%), .... maybe Ill even throw my medals
across the fence on the white house lawn.

Bush2 may be an idiot but the other is just a waffle.

I gave up quite some time ago on the Republicrats, Kerry _or_ Bush, and I
would not even try to predict what an elected president would do in order to
get re-elected. No action by a candidate seeking office even raises an
eyebrow at our house.

In any case, and just getting back to sailboat cruising ever so briefly,
Cuba is definitely a place to know about, and the Treasury Department (in
the person of whoever sits in the Oval Office at the moment) is keeping us
out. From a cruising point of view, that's a real shame. Yet the policy
persists from administration to administration, just because Tio Fidel gave
the US the finger almost 45 years ago. Not one person moaned about US
yachts paying fees and going through the Panama Canal while Pizza Face
Noriega was dealing drugs.

As we say in Jersey, "Yo!"

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

In article , Rich Hampel wrote:
Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1,
& Willy the Sleeze as well.

Bush has taken this to a new level, but in any case I believe we have already
gotten rid of JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, & Willy the
Sleeze as well.

In article , RWKxxx
wrote:

The entire thing can be found via a web search for "Proclamation 7757 of
February 26, 2004"; it's available in a few corners of the web at this
point.

FR Doc 04-4634 This is frightening. If I had any doubts about getting rid of
Bush before, this cleared them up. It is ridicules for him to be doing this
to
Cuba just to get the $ support from the Cuban exiles in Florida.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...t.access.gpo.g
ov/2004/04-4634.htm

In article , Rich Hampel wrote:
I agree !!!!

But then we'll have to put up with rampant socialism, income taxes that
match the EU (70+%), .... maybe Ill even throw my medals across the
fence on the white house lawn.

Bush2 may be an idiot but the other is just a waffle.

I guess "a waffle" is in the eye of the beholder.

Bush the flip flopper

1. Department of Homeland Security

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY...
"So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still
will have agencies within the federal government that have to be
coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't
solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
"So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single,
permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing
the homeland of America and protecting the American people."
[President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

2. Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION...
"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological
laboratories for those who say we haven't found the banned
manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found
them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
"David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons. And when David
Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's
theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been
destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have
destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They
could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out."
[President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

3. Free Trade

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE...
"I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote
trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President
Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE
"In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President
Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy
tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in
Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his
reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

4. Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE...
"I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that
says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden,
09/17/01]

BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is. I have no
idea and I really don't care. It's not that important." [President
Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

5. The Environment

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE...
"[If elected], Governor Bush will work to establish mandatory
reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur
dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush
Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE
"I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on
power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide,
which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President
Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

6. WMD Commission

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE...
"The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and
many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to
head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go
beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees
and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE
"Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission,
chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence
Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially
our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President
Bush, 2/6/04]

7. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION...
"President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe
Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special
commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings
before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION
"President Bush said today he now supports establishing an
independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist
attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

8. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION...
"President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have
decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission
investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post,
1/19/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION
"The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from
the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more
time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

9. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR...
"President Bush and Vice President **** Cheney have placed strict
limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal
commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will
meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will
submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members
said." [NY Times, 2/26/04]

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY
"The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to
raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott
McClellan, 3/10/04]

10. Gay Marriage

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE...
"The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this
state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W.
Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE
"Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the
states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining
and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and
wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

11. Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our
troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're
going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George
W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING
"We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi
people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

12. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND
SADDAM...
"You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk
about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT
"We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept.
11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

13. U.N. Resolution

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT...
"No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We
want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about
Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security
Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards,
to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam."
[President Bush 3/6/03]

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE
"At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House
at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution
from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation
that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

14. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS...
"Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It
wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing
happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area."
[President Bush, 04/05/02]

BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS
"If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by
side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm
committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President
Bush, 5/23/03]

15. Campaign Finance

BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD...
"George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free
expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW
"[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal
campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President
Bush, at the McCain-Feingold singi

In article , Armond Perretta
wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:
Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush
1, & Willy the Sleeze as well.

Agreed, but we already got rid of those guys, Rich. In about 6 months we'll
finish the job, and then it's smooth sailing to La Habana.

THAT is the problem ....... viva yo ..... yo primero

Sure he has stated his position. His silence is as good as saying it.. Don't
you watch the TV ad's for car rental where silence is as good as saying
something? :)

Face it, no matter what he said today, would change tomorrow..

"Dan Best" wrote in message
news:DF4pc.47297$536.8176968@attbi_s03
Has Kerry stated his position vis-a-vis travel to Cuba? If so, I
haven't heard it. Has anyone else?

Armond Perretta wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:

Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush
1, & Willy the Sleeze as well.

Agreed, but we already got rid of those guys, Rich. In about 6
months we'll finish the job, and then it's smooth sailing to La
Habana.

Good point. BTW, you do know the definition of an honest politician
don't you? An honest polition is one that once you've bought him, stays
bought.

Peter Pan wrote:
Sure he has stated his position. His silence is as good as saying it.. Don't
you watch the TV ad's for car rental where silence is as good as saying
something? :)

Face it, no matter what he said today, would change tomorrow..

"Dan Best" wrote in message
news:DF4pc.47297$536.8176968@attbi_s03

Has Kerry stated his position vis-a-vis travel to Cuba? If so, I
haven't heard it. Has anyone else?

Armond Perretta wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:

Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush
1, & Willy the Sleeze as well.

Agreed, but we already got rid of those guys, Rich. In about 6
months we'll finish the job, and then it's smooth sailing to La
Habana.

--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean"
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG

Hmmmm. I always heard it was an honest one keeps him mouth shut, and a
dishonest one moves his lips.

I guess the two only go together if you buy him, and he keeps his mouth
shut. :)

"Dan Best" wrote in message

Good point. BTW, you do know the definition of an honest politician
don't you? An honest polition is one that once you've bought him,
stays bought.

Peter Pan wrote:
Sure he has stated his position. His silence is as good as saying
it.. Don't you watch the TV ad's for car rental where silence is as
good as saying something? :)

Face it, no matter what he said today, would change tomorrow..

"Dan Best" wrote in message
news:DF4pc.47297$536.8176968@attbi_s03

Has Kerry stated his position vis-a-vis travel to Cuba? If so, I
haven't heard it. Has anyone else?

Armond Perretta wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:

Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan,
Bush 1, & Willy the Sleeze as well.

Agreed, but we already got rid of those guys, Rich. In about 6
months we'll finish the job, and then it's smooth sailing to La
Habana.

Glenn Ashmore wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:

I agree !!!!

But then we'll have to put up with rampant socialism, income taxes that
match the EU (70+%), .... maybe Ill even throw my medals across the
fence on the white house lawn.

Bush2 may be an idiot but the other is just a waffle.

You been listening to to much AM radio.

You been inhaling too much glue.
--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

Armond Perretta wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:
I agree !!!!

But then we'll have to put up with rampant socialism, income taxes
that match the EU (70+%), .... maybe Ill even throw my medals
across the fence on the white house lawn.

Bush2 may be an idiot but the other is just a waffle.

I gave up quite some time ago on the Republicrats, Kerry _or_ Bush, and I
would not even try to predict what an elected president would do in order to
get re-elected. No action by a candidate seeking office even raises an
eyebrow at our house.

In any case, and just getting back to sailboat cruising ever so briefly,
Cuba is definitely a place to know about, and the Treasury Department (in
the person of whoever sits in the Oval Office at the moment) is keeping us
out. From a cruising point of view, that's a real shame. Yet the policy
persists from administration to administration, just because Tio Fidel gave
the US the finger almost 45 years ago. Not one person moaned about US
yachts paying fees and going through the Panama Canal while Pizza Face
Noriega was dealing drugs.

As we say in Jersey, "Yo!"

You ready for the Bluefish run?

beldar wrote:

Gabriel Latrémouille wrote:
Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World
Magazine.
snip
ahem... George Bush can pucker up and kiss my Royal Canadian Arse.
I'll sail anywhere I g0*#@mn well please and it does not please me to
sail to the USA anytime soon. You poor sods. Have any of you actually
read what the "U.S.A. Patriot Act" has done to your constitutional
rights? Wake up and smell the coffee kids, you don't have any
constitutional rights any longer.

There are always heightened restrictions on "rights" during times of war.
Don't think I'd want to live in a country that puts the whining and puling
of the mush headed before self defense.

--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

Sorry Roy, but king george declared "hostilities over" therefore they
MUST BE and we are no longer in a war. But this thread was originally
started to discuss the restrictions of the cruising sailor and not the
pros and cons of the new US monarchy. But is certainly has generated
quite a bit of discussion.

Roy Jose Lorr wrote in message ...
beldar wrote:

Gabriel Latrémouille wrote:
Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World
Magazine.
snip
ahem... George Bush can pucker up and kiss my Royal Canadian Arse.
I'll sail anywhere I g0*#@mn well please and it does not please me to
sail to the USA anytime soon. You poor sods. Have any of you actually
read what the "U.S.A. Patriot Act" has done to your constitutional
rights? Wake up and smell the coffee kids, you don't have any
constitutional rights any longer.

There are always heightened restrictions on "rights" during times of war.
Don't think I'd want to live in a country that puts the whining and puling
of the mush headed before self defense.

On Sun, 16 May 2004 05:45:47 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
wrote:

whining and puling
of the mush headed

One of the quickest ways for a newsgroup to degenerate is to have
people attacking the integrity of their opponents. Please respect the
sincere beliefs of those with whom you disagree without emotional
characterizations.

Dick Locke wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 05:45:47 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
wrote:

whining and puling
of the mush headed

One of the quickest ways for a newsgroup to degenerate is to have
people attacking the integrity of their opponents. Please respect
the sincere beliefs of those with whom you disagree without
emotional characterizations.

Nonsense. That's bull****.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

On Sun, 16 May 2004 15:44:06 -0400, "Armond Perretta"
wrote:

Dick Locke wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 05:45:47 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
wrote:

whining and puling
of the mush headed

One of the quickest ways for a newsgroup to degenerate is to have
people attacking the integrity of their opponents. Please respect
the sincere beliefs of those with whom you disagree without
emotional characterizations.

Nonsense. That's bull****.

That's an argument?

Dick Locke wrote:

On Sun, 16 May 2004 05:45:47 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
wrote:

whining and puling
of the mush headed

One of the quickest ways for a newsgroup to degenerate is to have
people attacking the integrity of their opponents. Please respect the
sincere beliefs of those with whom you disagree without emotional
characterizations.

More 'mush headed whining and puling'
--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

RWKxxx wrote:

This has nothing to do with heightened security. It is just a money thing for
Bush. It was going on long before Iraq.

There is no profit in stasis... the world has taken that to the
bank since the beginning.

From: Roy Jose Lorr
Date: 5/16/2004 1:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time

There are always heightened restrictions on "rights" during times of war.
Don't think I'd want to live in a country that puts the whining and puling
of the mush headed before self defense.

--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

Chuck Baier wrote:

Sorry Roy, but king george declared "hostilities over" therefore they
MUST BE and we are no longer in a war.

Tell that to the relatives of the thousands of Americans
who've died in this war.

But this thread was originally
started to discuss the restrictions of the cruising sailor and not the
pros and cons of the new US monarchy. But is certainly has generated
quite a bit of discussion.

Roy Jose Lorr wrote in message ...
beldar wrote:

Gabriel Latrémouille wrote:
Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World
Magazine.
snip
ahem... George Bush can pucker up and kiss my Royal Canadian Arse.
I'll sail anywhere I g0*#@mn well please and it does not please me to
sail to the USA anytime soon. You poor sods. Have any of you actually
read what the "U.S.A. Patriot Act" has done to your constitutional
rights? Wake up and smell the coffee kids, you don't have any
constitutional rights any longer.

There are always heightened restrictions on "rights" during times of war.
Don't think I'd want to live in a country that puts the whining and puling
of the mush headed before self defense.

--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

On Mon, 17 May 2004 04:25:27 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
wrote:

Dick Locke wrote:

On Sun, 16 May 2004 05:45:47 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
wrote:

whining and puling
of the mush headed

One of the quickest ways for a newsgroup to degenerate is to have
people attacking the integrity of their opponents. Please respect the
sincere beliefs of those with whom you disagree without emotional
characterizations.

More 'mush headed whining and puling'

That's your argument? Are you twelve years old?