On Sun, 09 May 2004 13:37:39 GMT, "Gabriel Latrémouille"
wrote:

Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World
Magazine.

I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the arrogance,
the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the abuse
of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! !



BUSHWHACKED!!!!!!

GL

Can you post a reference to or a summary of the article? Can't find it
on Cruisingworld.com...

In article , Dick Locke wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2004 13:37:39 GMT, "Gabriel Latrémouille"
wrote:

Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World
Magazine.

I am speechless, astounded, stunted, amazed, ****ed-off... the arrogance,
the gall, the pretensions, the abuse of American citizens rights, the abuse
of foreign sailors, the hidden agenda, ! ! ! ! !



BUSHWHACKED!!!!!!

GL

Can you post a reference to or a summary of the article? Can't find it
on Cruisingworld.com...


http://www.cruisingworld.com/article...ID=419&catID=0

On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:03:07 GMT, (Paul Revere)
wrote:

In article , Dick Locke wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2004 13:37:39 GMT, "Gabriel Latrémouille"
wrote:

Just read the new US Decree forbidding sailing to Cuba in Cruising World
Can you post a reference to or a summary of the article? Can't find it
on Cruisingworld.com...


http://www.cruisingworld.com/article...ID=419&catID=0

This isn't it, it's a two year old article that doesn't mention
confiscating boats.

I got the May Cruising World, it has the text of the proclamation as
well as an editorial.

The proclamation language is:

The Secretary (of HS) may make rules and regulations governing the
anchorage and movement of any vessel foreign or domestic in the
territorial waters of the United States, which may be used, or is
susceptible of being used for voyage into Cuban territorial waters and
that may create unsafe conditions, or result in unauthorized
transactions, and thereby threaten a disturbance of international
relations."



"The Secretary is authorized to inspect any vessel, foreign or
domestic, in the territorial waters of the United States, at any time;
to place guards on any such vessel; and with my consent expressly
hereby granted to take full possession and control of any such vessel
and remove the officers and crew and all other persons not
speciffically authroized to go or remain on board the vessel when
necessary to secure the rights and obligations of the United States."


"Susceptible" indeed. What boat that can sail 90 miles isn't?

A lawyer could probably tell us whether "take full possesion and
control" means the same as confiscating and terminating ownership
rights.

It's worth a letter to two Senators and a Rep.

On Tue, 11 May 2004 14:15:11 GMT, Dick Locke
wrote:

The Secretary is authorized to inspect any vessel, foreign or
domestic, in the territorial waters of the United States, at any time;
to place guards on any such vessel; and with my consent expressly
hereby granted to take full possession and control of any such vessel
and remove the officers and crew and all other persons not
speciffically authroized to go or remain on board the vessel when
necessary to secure the rights and obligations of the United States."


"Susceptible" indeed. What boat that can sail 90 miles isn't?

A lawyer could probably tell us whether "take full possesion and
control" means the same as confiscating and terminating ownership
rights.

So if I as a Canadian wish to sail to Cuba, which is really no foreign
country's concern, I guess I'm going via the Azores, because I'll be
damned if I'll enter the waters of the Fatherland if it can steal my
boat because I might visit a country some bagmen in Miami don't like.

Keep your laws off my boat, Bush. No wonder a lot of American sailors
argue the merits of sailing armed...it's to dissuade the Feds.

R.

Dick Locke wrote:
The proclamation language is: [...]

The entire thing can be found via a web search for "Proclamation 7757 of
February 26, 2004"; it's available in a few corners of the web at this point.

It should also be available starting on page 9515 of this year's US
Federal Register (via http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/), but that's down as
I write this so I can't provide a URL.

It's interesting reading, both in the justifications and the edicts.

The entire thing can be found via a web search for "Proclamation 7757 of
February 26, 2004"; it's available in a few corners of the web at this point.

FR Doc 04-4634 This is frightening. If I had any doubts about getting rid of
Bush before, this cleared them up. It is ridicules for him to be doing this to
Cuba just to get the $ support from the Cuban exiles in Florida.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...t.access.gpo.g
ov/2004/04-4634.htm

Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1,
& Willy the Sleeze as well.


In article , RWKxxx
wrote:


The entire thing can be found via a web search for "Proclamation 7757 of
February 26, 2004"; it's available in a few corners of the web at this point.

FR Doc 04-4634 This is frightening. If I had any doubts about getting rid of
Bush before, this cleared them up. It is ridicules for him to be doing this to
Cuba just to get the $ support from the Cuban exiles in Florida.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...t.access.gpo.g
ov/2004/04-4634.htm

Rich Hampel wrote:
Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush
1, & Willy the Sleeze as well.

Agreed, but we already got rid of those guys, Rich. In about 6 months we'll
finish the job, and then it's smooth sailing to La Habana.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

Rich Hampel wrote:
Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1,
& Willy the Sleeze as well.

Well, actually not quite. Carter did a major relaxation on the travel
ban, Reagan and George 1st sort of ignored it and Willie got scared of
the Miami Cubans and reinsitiuted most of it when that Cessna was shot down.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

In article , Rich Hampel wrote:
Same would apply to JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1,
& Willy the Sleeze as well.


Bush has taken this to a new level, but in any case I believe we have already
gotten rid of JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, & Willy the
Sleeze as well.

In article , RWKxxx
wrote:


The entire thing can be found via a web search for "Proclamation 7757 of
February 26, 2004"; it's available in a few corners of the web at this
point.

FR Doc 04-4634 This is frightening. If I had any doubts about getting rid of
Bush before, this cleared them up. It is ridicules for him to be doing this
to
Cuba just to get the $ support from the Cuban exiles in Florida.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...t.access.gpo.g
ov/2004/04-4634.htm