Are boats like the Tayana 37 still popular and still a good choice for
ocean crossings?

I've crawled in and out of a few boats during the past couple weeks
and it looks to me that the heavy displacment boats are just built a
lot better than the mid to light displacement ones. This is
especially true in the price range I can afford (less than $100k).

Most of the heavy displacement boats also have more storage because
the tanks are usually located in the bilge leaving the settees free
for storage. This appears to be another plus.

When comparing open ocean vessels, Is the performace between a heavy
and mid displacment boat really all that much different? If not, then
maybe I wouldn't get bored with a lower performance heavy displacment
vessel. I'm not sure about this and would like comments.

Most heavy displacement boats have bow sprits. If a boat has a 5'
bowsprit, do you add that into the total length of the boat when
computing moorage charges? It would be ashame to get charged for 42'
when the boat is only has 37' on deck and 37' of living space.

As you can see, I'm still having trouble finding a suitable boat. I
want something to liveaboard here in Alaska and in 3 years take off
and at least sail the S. Pacific if not farther.

(Bart) wrote:

Are boats like the Tayana 37 still popular and still a good choice for
ocean crossings?

I've crawled in and out of a few boats during the past couple weeks
and it looks to me that the heavy displacment boats are just built a
lot better than the mid to light displacement ones. This is
especially true in the price range I can afford (less than $100k).

Most of the heavy displacement boats also have more storage because
the tanks are usually located in the bilge leaving the settees free
for storage. This appears to be another plus.

When comparing open ocean vessels, Is the performace between a heavy
and mid displacment boat really all that much different? If not, then
maybe I wouldn't get bored with a lower performance heavy displacment
vessel. I'm not sure about this and would like comments.

Most heavy displacement boats have bow sprits. If a boat has a 5'
bowsprit, do you add that into the total length of the boat when
computing moorage charges? It would be ashame to get charged for 42'
when the boat is only has 37' on deck and 37' of living space.

I won't presume to answer the other stuff, but I see plenty of heavy
displacement boats in the SSCA notes, and I think they are more
comfortable in a seaway.

But I can answer about the bow sprits. Yes you usually do count them.
You especially count them if it is a face dock. The amount of dock
space you take up includes bow sprits and dinghy davits, and then they
allow about 5 feet between boats. So many marinas do charge for the
total "dock length" (as apposed to deck length) of the boat.

Also if your 37 foot boat does not fit into a 40 foot slip, but sticks
out into the fairway, then you may have to count it or do some
creative slip arrangement.

Some marinas are VERY AR about bow sprits. Some just basically take
your word for the length of the boat, but there are some that don't
and there are even some who will overestimate your boat's length and
charge you for more length than you actually have.

Now on a mooring, I don't think they do count. If you have a 37 foot
boat with a 5 ft bow sprit and the length limit for the moorings is 40
feet, I think the bow sprit would not count.


As you can see, I'm still having trouble finding a suitable boat. I
want something to liveaboard here in Alaska and in 3 years take off
and at least sail the S. Pacific if not farther.


grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. wrote:

But I can answer about the bow sprits ...

Now on a mooring, I don't think they do count. If you have a 37
foot boat with a 5 ft bow sprit and the length limit for the
moorings is 40 feet, I think the bow sprit would not count.

Our experience may differ, but I've never encountered rental moorings priced
by length. I have certainly encountered moorings that are designed for
particular lengths or displacements or drafts, etc., but they were all
rented at the same dollars/day, Martha's Vineyard and Northeast Harbor ME
are typical examples.

Where have you paid different prices for putting different length vessels on
a mooring?


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"Armond Perretta" wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

But I can answer about the bow sprits ...

Now on a mooring, I don't think they do count. If you have a 37
foot boat with a 5 ft bow sprit and the length limit for the
moorings is 40 feet, I think the bow sprit would not count.

Our experience may differ, but I've never encountered rental moorings priced
by length. I have certainly encountered moorings that are designed for
particular lengths or displacements or drafts, etc., but they were all
rented at the same dollars/day, Martha's Vineyard and Northeast Harbor ME
are typical examples.

Where have you paid different prices for putting different length vessels on
a mooring?

That's not what I meant.

I didn't mean that you would be charged a different price. I meant
that you wouldn't be allowed to rent the mooring at all if you were
oversized.


grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. wrote:
"Armond Perretta" wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote:

But I can answer about the bow sprits ...
Now on a mooring, I don't think they do count ...
If you have a 37
foot boat with a 5 ft bow sprit and the length limit for the
moorings is 40 feet, I think the bow sprit would not count.

Our experience may differ, but I've never encountered rental
moorings priced by length. I have certainly encountered moorings
that are designed for particular lengths or displacements or
drafts, etc., but they were all rented at the same dollars/day,
Martha's Vineyard and Northeast Harbor ME are typical examples.

Where have you paid different prices for putting different length
vessels on a mooring?

That's not what I meant.

I didn't mean that you would be charged a different price. I meant
that you wouldn't be allowed to rent the mooring at all if you were
oversized.

I sometimes have trouble knowing what folks meant. I do however know what
they wrote.

Bart stated: "Most heavy displacement boats have bow sprits. If a boat has
a 5' bowsprit, do you add that into the total length of the boat when
computing moorage charges? It would be a shame to get charged for 42'
when the boat is only has 37' on deck and 37' of living space."

Rosalie replied: "But I can answer about the bow sprits. Yes you usually do
count them. You especially count them if it is a face dock. The amount of
dock space you take up includes bow sprits and dinghy davits, and then they
allow about 5 feet between boats. So many marinas do charge for the
total "dock length" (as apposed to deck length) of the boat ... Now on a
mooring, I don't think they do count. If you have a 37 foot boat with a 5
ft bow sprit and the length limit for the moorings is 40 feet, I think the
bow sprit would not count.

At which point I asked the question I asked. Sorry if I didn't know what
you "meant." Please note that I am _not_ referring to bowsprits
specifically, but rather to the idea of renting mooring and charging by
length.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

"Armond Perretta" wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:
"Armond Perretta" wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote:

But I can answer about the bow sprits ...
Now on a mooring, I don't think they do count ...
If you have a 37
foot boat with a 5 ft bow sprit and the length limit for the
moorings is 40 feet, I think the bow sprit would not count.

Our experience may differ, but I've never encountered rental
moorings priced by length. I have certainly encountered moorings
that are designed for particular lengths or displacements or
drafts, etc., but they were all rented at the same dollars/day,
Martha's Vineyard and Northeast Harbor ME are typical examples.

Where have you paid different prices for putting different length
vessels on a mooring?

That's not what I meant.

I didn't mean that you would be charged a different price. I meant
that you wouldn't be allowed to rent the mooring at all if you were
oversized.

I sometimes have trouble knowing what folks meant. I do however know what
they wrote.

Bart stated: "Most heavy displacement boats have bow sprits. If a boat has
a 5' bowsprit, do you add that into the total length of the boat when
computing moorage charges? It would be a shame to get charged for 42'
when the boat is only has 37' on deck and 37' of living space."

Rosalie replied: "But I can answer about the bow sprits. Yes you usually do
count them. You especially count them if it is a face dock. The amount of
dock space you take up includes bow sprits and dinghy davits, and then they
allow about 5 feet between boats. So many marinas do charge for the
total "dock length" (as apposed to deck length) of the boat ... Now on a
mooring, I don't think they do count. If you have a 37 foot boat with a 5
ft bow sprit and the length limit for the moorings is 40 feet, I think the
bow sprit would not count.

At which point I asked the question I asked. Sorry if I didn't know what
you "meant." Please note that I am _not_ referring to bowsprits
specifically, but rather to the idea of renting mooring and charging by
length.

I'm sorry if I offended you. I should perhaps have made a paragraph
between the bit about face docks and slips, and the section about
moorings. We have been prevented from using moorings because our
overall length was too great. (and we DON'T have a bow sprit) Altho
IMHO it would be more sensible to factor in boat tonnage and not just
length.

The problem I had was not knowing whether Bart meant dockage when he
said moorage, or if he was just talking about moorings, or if he was
including both. I was assuming that he was using the term to indicate
coming into a marina to a dock or slip. But just in case he meant
actual moorings rather than a dock, I stuck that last 2 sentences in
there. It was a separate thought. Sorry if it was confusing.



grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html

Armond Perretta wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote:

"Armond Perretta" wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

But I can answer about the bow sprits ...
Now on a mooring, I don't think they do count ...
If you have a 37
foot boat with a 5 ft bow sprit and the length limit for the
moorings is 40 feet, I think the bow sprit would not count.

Our experience may differ, but I've never encountered rental
moorings priced by length. I have certainly encountered moorings
that are designed for particular lengths or displacements or
drafts, etc., but they were all rented at the same dollars/day,
Martha's Vineyard and Northeast Harbor ME are typical examples.

Where have you paid different prices for putting different length
vessels on a mooring?

That's not what I meant.

I didn't mean that you would be charged a different price. I meant
that you wouldn't be allowed to rent the mooring at all if you were
oversized.


I sometimes have trouble knowing what folks meant. I do however know what
they wrote.

Bart stated: "Most heavy displacement boats have bow sprits. If a boat has
a 5' bowsprit, do you add that into the total length of the boat when
computing moorage charges? It would be a shame to get charged for 42'
when the boat is only has 37' on deck and 37' of living space."

Rosalie replied: "But I can answer about the bow sprits. Yes you usually do
count them. You especially count them if it is a face dock. The amount of
dock space you take up includes bow sprits and dinghy davits, and then they
allow about 5 feet between boats. So many marinas do charge for the
total "dock length" (as apposed to deck length) of the boat ... Now on a
mooring, I don't think they do count. If you have a 37 foot boat with a 5
ft bow sprit and the length limit for the moorings is 40 feet, I think the
bow sprit would not count.

At which point I asked the question I asked. Sorry if I didn't know what
you "meant." Please note that I am _not_ referring to bowsprits
specifically, but rather to the idea of renting mooring and charging by
length.

Funny how different people read things differently. I could tell when
she changed the topic from marina dock length and charging by foot to a
mooring where they don't charge by foot but may have "length limit".
Especially since in the original post they were in a separate paragraph.

Steve

In article , (Bart) wrote:
Are boats like the Tayana 37 still popular and still a good choice for
ocean crossings?

I've crawled in and out of a few boats during the past couple weeks
and it looks to me that the heavy displacment boats are just built a
lot better than the mid to light displacement ones. This is
especially true in the price range I can afford (less than $100k).

Most of the heavy displacement boats also have more storage because
the tanks are usually located in the bilge leaving the settees free
for storage. This appears to be another plus.

When comparing open ocean vessels, Is the performace between a heavy
and mid displacment boat really all that much different? If not, then
maybe I wouldn't get bored with a lower performance heavy displacment
vessel. I'm not sure about this and would like comments.

What's boring in light weather is comforting in heavy weather.

If you're in a hurry take an airplane.

If you're in a heavy displacement boat and crave excitment, find another heavy
displacement boat to race.

Most heavy displacement boats have bow sprits. If a boat has a 5'
bowsprit, do you add that into the total length of the boat when
computing moorage charges? It would be ashame to get charged for 42'
when the boat is only has 37' on deck and 37' of living space.

Bowsprits are included in overall length.

As you can see, I'm still having trouble finding a suitable boat. I
want something to liveaboard here in Alaska and in 3 years take off
and at least sail the S. Pacific if not farther.

Bart wrote:
Are boats like the Tayana 37 still popular and still a good choice for
ocean crossings?

I've crawled in and out of a few boats during the past couple weeks
and it looks to me that the heavy displacment boats are just built a
lot better than the mid to light displacement ones. This is
especially true in the price range I can afford (less than $100k).

Most of the heavy displacement boats also have more storage because
the tanks are usually located in the bilge leaving the settees free
for storage. This appears to be another plus.

When comparing open ocean vessels, Is the performace between a heavy
and mid displacment boat really all that much different? If not, then
maybe I wouldn't get bored with a lower performance heavy displacment
vessel. I'm not sure about this and would like comments.

Most heavy displacement boats have bow sprits. If a boat has a 5'
bowsprit, do you add that into the total length of the boat when
computing moorage charges? It would be ashame to get charged for 42'
when the boat is only has 37' on deck and 37' of living space.

As you can see, I'm still having trouble finding a suitable boat. I
want something to liveaboard here in Alaska and in 3 years take off
and at least sail the S. Pacific if not farther.


Our daughter and son-in-law worked in Saipan for 5 years. During that
time they bought a very badly maintained 36' Union and worked hard to
make it livable and seaworthy.

In Seattle, I was telling a sail boating friend about the purchase and
the product and he put on a disappointed face, saying "I hate to see
kids buying a boat like that." I was alarmed but, in a flash, realized
he was a racing sailor for whom nothing was as important as that. And
he confirmed it as he went on: "The damn things are like Hans Christians
- they can't get out of their own way in less than a full gale."

He must have seen my anxiety, because he seemed to relent and finally
said: "Of course, no matter how bad it gets, she'll bring her crew home".

Our kids had previously had no significant blue water experience,
maintenance and surveying on Saipan was minimal, and I was terribly
worried about their planned crossing to Seattle in the summer of 2001.
We got reports from Pacific Seafarers' Net, but worried constantly. We
could tell they were having some trouble with equipment - the Saipan
fuel congealed in the cold weather of the north Pacific, the water maker
stopped working... All through those months I clung to those words like
a mantra: "She'll bring them home". And she did.

Our daughter told us later that they experienced about every type of
condition they could imagine, and not once had any concern for their
safety.

My vote is: "Heavy"

g


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We have only been charged one time for our bowsprit and boomkin and windvane.
That was on a face dock, they also only charged for 35 feet (westsail 32 that
is 43 feet overall).

Rich