I was tremendously impressed with the stuff this company makes

http://www.majilite.com/

which was used on the Maryland Research vessel. It looks like vinyl or
Naugahyde but they stretched it around shapes and corners I couldn't believe
with no sign of thinning or strain. It's so tough that they don't try to
use utility knives to cut it (company is also involved with bullet proof
materials) and use special scissors. The pilothouse interior and console
top were all done with it and it looks like a million dollars, (well four
milllion actually).

BTW I was amused to see Neal reveal his ignorance again. My 1980 soft
headliner still looks great. Talk about entry level boats, Coronado 27?

--
Roger Long

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:57:59 -0500, "Roger Long"
said:

BTW I was amused to see Neal reveal his ignorance again. My 1980 soft
headliner still looks great. Talk about entry level boats, Coronado 27?

My reaction precisely.


You and Roger have girly reactions, then!

That vinyl headliner is there for two main reasons:

1) because it's cheap
2) because it covers up shoddy workmanship and a grossly unfinished deck
head.

Real GRP sailboats have a GRP deckhead with a glossy gelcoat finish. Wooden
boats have wood painted with epoxy paint at the deckhead. Both are easy to
keep clean with a simple wipe-down with fresh water and a little bleach.
They don't grow unsightly mold and mildew like vinyl does. They don't rip or
puncture when struck by sharp objects. They don't discolor, fade or sag.
They don't trap moisture. They don't need battens to keep them tight. It is
a hundred to a thousand times stronger.

In short, when you buy a boat, buy a boat - not some stupid automobile
imitation.

Wilbur Hubbard

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Cabin.jpg

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Cabin.jpg

--
Roger Long


Very nice but it would have been perfect with a real seagoing deckhead to
complement the rest of it.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
anews.com:

[clip of nothing worth while]

Please stop feeding the troll. This is yet another hijack of his. Don't
let yet another discussion with well-thought replies descend into a rat
hole. As far as I'm concerned, he has nothing of value to add to this
discussion (or any that I care to read.)

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Geoff Schultz" geoff"at wrote:

Please stop feeding the troll. This is yet another hijack of his.
Don't let yet another discussion with well-thought replies descend
into a rat hole. As far as I'm concerned, he has nothing of value to
add to this discussion (or any that I care to read.)

I agree and am guilty of not following the similar advice I've often
expressed.

You'll note that I didn't "say" anything to him though

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in
:

I was tremendously impressed with the stuff this company makes

http://www.majilite.com/

which was used on the Maryland Research vessel. It looks like vinyl
or Naugahyde but they stretched it around shapes and corners I
couldn't believe with no sign of thinning or strain. It's so tough
that they don't try to use utility knives to cut it (company is also
involved with bullet proof materials) and use special scissors. The
pilothouse interior and console top were all done with it and it looks
like a million dollars, (well four milllion actually).

BTW I was amused to see Neal reveal his ignorance again. My 1980 soft
headliner still looks great. Talk about entry level boats, Coronado
27?


I was a bit baffled in my buddy's Jeanneau 40DS as the headliner panels
had no screws showing anywhere! I was trying to get into them so I
could trace some wires in the overhead of the main cabin. Joe had no
idea as he'd never had them down.

I pried the corner of a panel a little to see if I could see any kind of
mounting/dismounting hardware. There was this terrifying "RRRRIIIIPP!"
and the panel nearly fell down onto the table! This was Joe's new
"baby" and he's very particular with fit and finish. Joe's bigger and
stronger than me so I was calculating how fast I could make the dock...
(c;]

As soon as it came down, I could see the whole overhead of the Jeanneau
yachts are held in place with VELCRO! You just grab a corner and rip
them right off!

Later Mrs. Joe came down to the boat to bring us workers some lunch. I
waited until it quieted down before going up to a panel and ripping it
down. She nearly peed her pants....(c;]

What a great idea! The panels are quite secure once you've pressed them
into place and never have come loose at sea. But, if you need to get in
there, it's just SO simple to get the panel off to put out the fire....

================================================== ==============

Another friend has a beautiful blonde wife, Elizabeth. She's a true
"trophy wife". We sat in his computer room working on installing more
memory sticks, when she walks in out of the blue and asks, "Where does
Naugahyde come from?" Without even looking up from inside the desktop
computer box, Bob says, "It comes from Naugas, of course. They have big
Nauga farms in South Africa that raises them. They tan the "hyde" after
they cut it off the meat, which Africans love to eat."

A true blonde, she thanked us, turned around and left the room totally
satisfied with her new information.

================================================== ==============

Watch TV from the other side of the planet in English:

http://www.presstv.ir/

I lived there 2.5 years in the 70's.....

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:34:23 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Cabin.jpg


Yes, get your point, but then again, you're a sailor.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
:

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:34:23 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Cabin.jpg


Yes, get your point, but then again, you're a sailor.

Bruce-in-Bangkok

I'm not trying to throw fuel on a fire, but what makes Roger a sailor?
Certainly he's a boat designer, but basically he tootles around his home
territory. He spends lots of time working on his boat, but that doesn't
qualify him as a sailor (or as should be in this group, a cruiser.) We all
can have pretty boats that sit at dock...

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Geoff Schultz" geoff"at wrote:

(Some Wilbur like fuel-on-the-fire-crap that suddenly creates a surprisngly
negitive impression of someone I'd thought to be one of the adults here.)

I'll give Geoff the benifit of the doubt and assume that Neal is spoofing
his header.

It does bring up an interesting question though, what is a "sailor" in the
context of this newsgroup?

Although my accomplishments and experience are certainly modest compared to
Geoff ,who has covered more blue water miles than all but a couple of people
who have posted here, I'm considred pretty far ranging among the community
of New England cruisers.

http://home.maine.rr.com/bmssez/06Cruise.htm

http://home.maine.rr.com/bmssez/07JuneCruise.htm

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/0907Cruise.htm

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/GEfile...er08Cruise.kml

Three of these four cruises, which cover more than 3/4 of the liner length
of the New England coast, were covered in magazine articles and this
summer's cruise was just accepted for one to appear next year. This has as
much to do with my writing ability as the sailing but they wouldn't be
getting print space if they were just "toottling around in home waters".

Except for racing, which I've never had any interest in, I've sailed on just
about every type of boat from 7 feet up to a 380 foot Russian square rigger.
Here's the story of one trip:

http://www.pointseast.com/template.s...EG&style=story

Now, I point all this out not for the reasons Bob will shortly be on the
horn blathering tiresomly about but to get to the point. What is a sailor?

A sailor is someone who sails on a boat. A *SAILOR* is someone who knows
how to get a boat safely from one place to another safely; especially if the
destination is somewhere he or she hasn't seen before. I would be the first
to admit that I am on the other side of the bell curve from the likes of
Geoff and Tom. As someone who has spent their professional life around
boats, much of it as a consultant to sail training organizations, and worked
on projects with people like Rod Stephens and Irving Johnson, I know pretty
well where if fit into the spectrum of seamen. Although many consider me
accomplished, I am a grasshopper.

A "cruiser" is someone who sails (or motors) for pleasure and spends nights
away from the home dock or mooring. Maybe I live in a strange part of the
world, although it is North America's best known crusing area, but the terms
"overnight cruise" and "weekend cruise" are pretty common up here. The
"Cruising Guide to the Maine Coast" says that, when you are anchored on the
far side of Schoodic Point, you know that anyone anchored with you is
someone you can respect. The people who know it best hardly consider those
wates "tootling grounds".

This is rec.boats.cruising. Only in surprising post like this one have I
seen it suggested that it is rec.boats.(sailing international),
rec.boats.(living aboard), etc. The proportional mix of Neal's to Geoff's
is bad enough as it is without trying to make this a forum of the elite.

Thanks, Geoff, I felt like a rant this morning

--
Roger Long