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On Sep 26, 10:56 pm, cavelamb himself wrote:
A few months back, Navquest offered free downloads of coastal charts. I wanted to cover teh Gulf of Texas, and the area up around the Columbia River entrance. I couldn't get them from my home computer for some reason. But the local library computers worked fine. I copyed off the entire Gulf Coast, the Left Coast, and some of the Right. I don't think you can still download them for free, but I have themif anybody really gets going on this. They are still free...NavQuest is now call Clicktoboat.com |
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Jere,
Effectively, what you want to do is create a Wiki"depth"pedia and with that, have the same problem any Wiki solution has, no verification. An outdated, verified chart has infinitely more value than an uncertified chart. However, your concern has merit, but your solution doesn't without verification. Ultimately, the skipper owns the problem and the tool of choice with today's technology is the side scanning, phased array sonar. With that, he has the ability to perform his own verification. It works, it's affordable and ultimately cheaper than the Braille method. Steve "Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008092615455816807-jerelull@maccom... I was considering the march of technology and the computing power many of us have on our boats, then considered the byzantine methods the various mapping agencies use to create our nautical charts and how out-of-date they really are. Has anyone seen a project to collect position and depth data automatically and periodically upload the data to a central server? I vaguely recall someone who mapped one or more anchorages automatically like that, and there's another project where large and commercial ships sample and analyze the waters they're passing through. I would love to participate, in exchange for charts that accurately show what's ahead of our keel. Yeah, yeah, it's a project that would in some way require the cooperation of the various national agencies ... Or one of the map sellers might be interested, as it would give them an incredible edge over the other suppliers. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008092615455816807-jerelull@maccom... I was considering the march of technology and the computing power many of us have on our boats, then considered the byzantine methods the various mapping agencies use to create our nautical charts and how out-of-date they really are. Has anyone seen a project to collect position and depth data automatically and periodically upload the data to a central server? I vaguely recall someone who mapped one or more anchorages automatically like that, and there's another project where large and commercial ships sample and analyze the waters they're passing through. I would love to participate, in exchange for charts that accurately show what's ahead of our keel. Yeah, yeah, it's a project that would in some way require the cooperation of the various national agencies ... Or one of the map sellers might be interested, as it would give them an incredible edge over the other suppliers. On 2008-09-28 05:03:19 -0400, "Steve Lusardi" said: Jere, Effectively, what you want to do is create a Wiki"depth"pedia and with that, have the same problem any Wiki solution has, no verification. An outdated, verified chart has infinitely more value than an uncertified chart. However, your concern has merit, but your solution doesn't without verification. Ultimately, the skipper owns the problem and the tool of choice with today's technology is the side scanning, phased array sonar. With that, he has the ability to perform his own verification. It works, it's affordable and ultimately cheaper than the Braille method. Steve Not at all. Many would collect datums, a central server would collate and "prove" the data. Verifying data reliability is not that tough a job. In fact, it's pretty easy if you have enough data to work with. Side-scanning sonar is okay, but itself limited. And Wiki has been compared by professionals against the best encyclopedias, and uniformly been found to be at least as accurate as the best. Its peer review at its best. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:13:09 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-09-27 15:03:37 -0400, "Steve Lusardi" said: Solve the problem by investing in a phased array, side scanning sonar. They are very affordable and reliable. See the Interphase 180. Not needed. I don't mind finding a channel by the braille method. I've heard that about your area. A guy moved up here a few years ago, and was SHOCKED at having to know about all the rocks. He said people run aground all the time in the Chesepeke, and it's just mud. He said he learned that he really has to be on his toes up here, and know where all the hazards are, including the uncharted ones... I never noticed that I had to be "extra" careful, because I've always sailed here. |
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008092704581416807-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-09-27 04:18:32 -0400, "Dennis Pogson" said: "Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008092615455816807-jerelull@maccom... Has anyone seen a project to collect position and depth data automatically and periodically upload the data to a central server? I vaguely recall someone who mapped one or more anchorages automatically like that, and there's another project where large and commercial ships sample and analyze the waters they're passing through. I would love to participate, in exchange for charts that accurately show what's ahead of our keel. There is a program called Ozidepths which works in collaboration with OziExplorer, the best of all navigation software. You could Google for it, and as Oziexplorer has programmable factilities, you might be able to adapt Ozidepths to suit your purpose. Sadly, OziExplorer doesn't support Mac, so I couldn't participate. Friends don't let friends do Windoze. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ That's a pity, but if the project was considered all that important, buying a cheap Windows laptop wouldn't stop me. Dennis. |
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On 2008-09-29 03:42:06 -0400, "Dennis Pogson"
said: "Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2008092704581416807-jerelull@maccom... Sadly, OziExplorer doesn't support Mac, so I couldn't participate. Friends don't let friends do Windoze. That's a pity, but if the project was considered all that important, buying a cheap Windows laptop wouldn't stop me. Remember, Mac laptops *can* run windoze -- in fact are amongst the best for running Vista -- I just won't. I have to endure MicroS..T at work. At home, I just want a machine that works without the "fiddling". (I'm a programmer, primarily working in MS products. I too often have to repair/rebuild the machine due to what I consider light duties.) -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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