On 19 Sep 2008 21:09:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:02:03 -0400, Marty said:

So having got that basic fact wrong, why should I trust the rest of
your summary?

And why should I care whether you do or not? You can certainly Google up
your own info if you wish. That law just happens to be one I work with.

Then you have just pleaded guilty to professional incompetence.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:18:53 -0400, Marty wrote:

Dave wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:02:03 -0400, Marty said:

So having got that basic fact wrong, why should I trust the rest of
your summary?

And why should I care whether you do or not? You can certainly Google up
your own info if you wish. That law just happens to be one I work with.


'cause we own the same boat ;-o I'm playing a bit of devils advocate
here, I'll do the same to Dems too. Sometimes it looks like you let your
prejudice against anybody not Republican (or is it adulation of all
things GOP?) cloud your reasoning.

Personally, I think that great misquote "First we kill all the lawyers"
should have "Politicians" substituted for "Lawyers".

Cheers
Marty

If you kill all the lawyers, you'll take out a goodly portion of
politicians in the process.

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:33:27 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:04:25 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:

Marty wrote:
Dave wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:25:00 -0400, Marty said:

Well Dave, since you are our resident expert, could you be so kind as
to precis this bill for us?


In the US, we call something that hasn't yet been passed by Congress and
"bill" and something that has been passed and signed into law a "law."

Much too long and complicated for an even half complete summary. GLB,
which
was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress and signed by Clinton in
1999,



Hmmm, that would be the 106th Congress, Republican Majority, Newt
Gingrich the speaker, Thurmond President pro tempore of the Senate,
(same Congress that impeached Clinton, I thought you'd remember that!).
So having got that basic fact wrong, why should I trust the rest of
your summary?

Cheers
Martin


Except that Clinton wasn't impeached...

He was TRIED.

And aquitted.

The trial is impeachment. He was impeached and aquitted.

Impeachment is not the trial. Impeachment is the indictment.

Now, can we get back to boating?

"impeachment proceedings" is usually used to describe it.

It's an impeachment trial, just as a trial for murder is a murder
trial.

On 2008-09-18 07:55:14 -0400, "Roger Long" said:

"Gogarty" wrote

So you may be able to buy a boat cheap but you might have to pay cash for
it.

You may be *able* to pay cash for it!

We helped sell a sister-boat which was in better shape than Xan, with a
nearly unused 2GM20F, for $3,500 (or less). Having surveyed her, I
wouldn't have hesitated to throw on some bottom paint, splash, and head
nearly directly to the Caribbean -- going slow at first to stay near
the plethora of parts stores on the Chesapeake as we discovered things
not working.

Under 40' boats are going for a song of late; the volume will increase.
Under 30 have been nearly pocket change for most of the last decade.

I expect some larger boats will be "exchanged" for smaller, but that
won't be but a blip on the chart.

At probable prices, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone who can afford
the upkeep and maintenance. Used sailboats are going to be like some of
those cell phone deals or how Gillette became big in razor blades. The boat
will be essentially free but it's still going to cost a lot to keep and
maintain them. Yard and dockage costs are the same for the 32 footer I
bought for 15 grand as they would be for a brand new, 250 grand, 32 foot
Morris.

Normal upkeep and dockage for boats our size is about the same as a
one-week vacation at the shore or mountains around here. If we want to
get cheap, we could go to a mooring (which I actually prefer) for $2k
less.

Those who can't afford that belong in trailer-ables (though the costs
don't actually drop much if you have to get a new tow vehicle.)

It's all choices.

OTOH the stock of used sailboats got dramatically reduced last week except
for those interested in restoration projects.

Not *that* much. The trio of storms that smacked Florida a few years
ago did a better job.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Every time, EVERY time I reply to Wilbur, I get a few of these fishing
expedition emails.

Usually they are supposed to be from earthlink demanding that I enter
my user name and password or my account will be terminated immediately!

Now I'm in danger of having my (non-existant) credit union account
"deactivated adn deleted".

Anybody else noticed the correlation?


Richard




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This is your official notification from City-County Federal Credit
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been sent to the Billing Contact assigned to this account. As the
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Oh man, AND ...

I get mail returned (that I never sent) that couldn't be delivered
because it contained a nasty virus.


God forgive him, even if he doesn't deserve it.

On 2008-09-22 23:00:36 -0400, cavelamb himself said:

Every time, EVERY time I reply to Wilbur, I get a few of these fishing
expedition emails.

Usually they are supposed to be from earthlink demanding that I enter
my user name and password or my account will be terminated immediately!

Now I'm in danger of having my (non-existant) credit union account
"deactivated adn deleted".

Anybody else noticed the correlation?

There isn't one. Just standard spam sneaking through the filters.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
m...

Every time, EVERY time I reply to Wilbur, I get a few of these fishing
expedition emails.

Usually they are supposed to be from earthlink demanding that I enter
my user name and password or my account will be terminated immediately!

Now I'm in danger of having my (non-existant) credit union account
"deactivated adn deleted".

Anybody else noticed the correlation?


Richard




Dear Member,

This is your official notification from City-County Federal Credit
Union that the service(s) listed below
will be deactivated and deleted if not renewed immediately. Previous
notifications have
been sent to the Billing Contact assigned to this account. As the
Primary Contact, you
must renew the service(s) listed below or it will be deactivated and
deleted.


Renew Now your City-County FCU Bank Service and Bill Payer services.

SERVICE: City-County Federal Credit Union
EXPIRATION: September, 27 2008


Thank you for using City-County Federal Credit Union Member Service.
We appreciate your business and the opportunity to serve you.

Copyright © City-County FCU, All Rights Reserved.


Neal isn't smart enough to do anything damaging unless you're system is
unprotected in the extreme.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com