On 12 Aug 2008 18:10:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:02:14 -0700, "Capt. JG" said:

Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail will
unfurl and flog itself to death.

I generally cleat off both sheets fairly tight. Then as Roger says, if I'm
expecting a storm or will be gone for a long time I'll add a separate tie
around the sail.

I add the sail tie whenever I "stop" anywhere. That way, it's part of
the routine, and I don't forget it. That also means I don't forget to
untie it before taking off, which could be a real inconvenience at
times, especially when single-handing.

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler"
is surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra
wraps with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall
someone (more than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I
wondered at the time how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

I do not see the problem. Like you, I give the sail a couple of extra
wraps of the sheets when it is fully rolled and then make the furling
line fast onto a cleat which is there for that purpose.
Why do you think you need to do more?



Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail will


Well, if you can't secure a line on a cleat any better than that......

How do you tie up your boat at the dock? Do you use shackles and thimbles,
aka Boobspit?


unfurl and flog itself to death. I've had this come up twice. Once was a
customer going back to the boat to get something he forgot and doing me a
"favor" because the jib sheet on that side was rubbing on the dodger and
he took off both lines from the same cleat. The other was a dock worker,
who I believe was checking shore power hookups to make sure they were
secure (we had a near miss boat fire - someone not using a locking ring on
the shore power connection). I'm glad I had the shackle.



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"HardCourt" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail
furler" is surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra
wraps with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall
someone (more than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I
wondered at the time how one gets up high enough to make that
effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

I do not see the problem. Like you, I give the sail a couple of extra
wraps of the sheets when it is fully rolled and then make the furling
line fast onto a cleat which is there for that purpose.
Why do you think you need to do more?



Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail
will


Well, if you can't secure a line on a cleat any better than that......

Well, did you not read the rest of my post or did you just ignore it?

"I've had this come up twice. Once was a
customer going back to the boat to get something he forgot and doing me a
"favor" because the jib sheet on that side was rubbing on the dodger and he
took off both lines from the same cleat. The other was a dock worker, who I
believe was checking shore power hookups to make sure they were secure (we
had a near miss boat fire - someone not using a locking ring on the shore
power connection)."

How do you tie up your boat at the dock? Do you use shackles and
thimbles, aka Boobspit?

What's that got to do with furlers?

In any case, unfortunately, they don't allow regular cleats on our docks.
So, yes, I have to use the rings.

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On Aug 12, 3:01 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock and
also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail tie on for
heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period. I'ts more of a
peace of mind thing than a significant hazard but it keeps me from seeing
those scenes in my mind when I wake up in the middle of the night.

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Roger Long

I still use the old style hank on sails..yes they can be a mess..but
very simple and has worked for a long time.

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:58:36 -0700, in message
lutions
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:02:14 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail will
unfurl and flog itself to death.

I generally cleat off both sheets fairly tight. Then as Roger says, if I'm
expecting a storm or will be gone for a long time I'll add a separate tie
around the sail.


I do, but not around the winch. You need to keep in mind that the fairly
hefty sheets are in opposition to a fairly light furling line, so I wouldn't
over tighten.

I cleat the furling line, then tension the sheets around the winch by
hand. Using a winch handle could overstress things, but hand tight on
a winch is the same as hand tight to a cleat. I don't think I have any
line on board that I could overload by hand.

Ryk

"Ryk" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:58:36 -0700, in message
lutions
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:02:14 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail
will
unfurl and flog itself to death.

I generally cleat off both sheets fairly tight. Then as Roger says, if
I'm
expecting a storm or will be gone for a long time I'll add a separate
tie
around the sail.


I do, but not around the winch. You need to keep in mind that the fairly
hefty sheets are in opposition to a fairly light furling line, so I
wouldn't
over tighten.

I cleat the furling line, then tension the sheets around the winch by
hand. Using a winch handle could overstress things, but hand tight on
a winch is the same as hand tight to a cleat. I don't think I have any
line on board that I could overload by hand.

Ryk



I don't like putting stress on a winch if I don't need to. Perhaps that's
just me.

I think I could probably overstress the jib sheets around the winch if I put
my back into it, but that would be foolish. There is a difference in the
size of the line, and it seems to me that just by weight there would be more
pressure from the jib sheet side.


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It's really important to take them down
before a major wind event.

Yep, tried to warn a fellow slipholder of this. Then Ernesto came through
and ripped it to shreds. A couple of us were around tending to lines. It
only took about a minute to wreck it.

On Aug 14, 7:20*pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
It's really important to take them down
before a major wind event.

Yep, tried to warn a fellow slipholder of this. *Then Ernesto came through
and ripped it to shreds. *A couple of us were around tending to lines. *It
only took about a minute to wreck it.

The best thing to do if a major storm is coming is to remove all sails
from the rig. A poor second best for a roller furling headsail would
be to wrap the spinnaker halyard around the sail, which should prevent
if from unfurling.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:16:22 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 14, 7:20*pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
It's really important to take them down
before a major wind event.

Yep, tried to warn a fellow slipholder of this. *Then Ernesto came through
and ripped it to shreds. *A couple of us were around tending to lines. *It
only took about a minute to wreck it.

The best thing to do if a major storm is coming is to remove all sails
from the rig. A poor second best for a roller furling headsail would
be to wrap the spinnaker halyard around the sail, which should prevent
if from unfurling.

The force of a full gale or hurricane has to be experienced. The wind
will get under any loose corner and rip it to shreds. Once it starts
the whole thing goes, wrapped or not.

On 2008-08-14 22:33:26 -0400, Wayne.B said:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:16:22 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 14, 7:20*pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
It's really important to take them down before a major wind event.

Yep, tried to warn a fellow slipholder of this. Then Ernesto came
through and ripped it to shreds. A couple of us were around tending to
lines. It only took about a minute to wreck it.

The best thing to do if a major storm is coming is to remove all sails
from the rig. A poor second best for a roller furling headsail would be
to wrap the spinnaker halyard around the sail, which should prevent if
from unfurling.

The force of a full gale or hurricane has to be experienced. The wind
will get under any loose corner and rip it to shreds. Once it starts
the whole thing goes, wrapped or not.

I have to emphasize this last. The Chesapeake can deliver squalls in
excess of 100 knots. There is essentially zero warning.

Dockmate had his genny beautifully furled with 4 wraps of the sheets
holding it in place. Squall got under his furled sail and unwrapped it
like an anchovy tin. Beautifully furled sail below the 4 sheet wraps, a
shredded jib just above them.


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