I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler" is
surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra wraps
with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall someone (more
than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I wondered at the time
how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

http://picasaweb.google.com/SailNOW....31504561647202

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:22:25 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler" is
surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra wraps
with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall someone (more
than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I wondered at the time
how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

http://picasaweb.google.com/SailNOW....31504561647202

I use a sail tie, which I place as high as I can reach, and make a
series of half hitches going down.

The ones that kill me are the sailors who apparently think it looks
sporty to leave the last little bit of sail sticking out. Maybe they
imagine it's going to keep them from sailing around at anchor?

I just see it as an invitation to needing a new sail made.

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:22:25 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler"
is
surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra wraps
with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall someone (more
than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I wondered at the
time
how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

http://picasaweb.google.com/SailNOW....31504561647202

I use a sail tie, which I place as high as I can reach, and make a
series of half hitches going down.

The ones that kill me are the sailors who apparently think it looks
sporty to leave the last little bit of sail sticking out. Maybe they
imagine it's going to keep them from sailing around at anchor?

I just see it as an invitation to needing a new sail made.



Yeah, they don't have a clew, eventually. LOL


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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler"
is surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra wraps
with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall someone (more
than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I wondered at the
time how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

I do not see the problem. Like you, I give the sail a couple of extra wraps
of the sheets when it is fully rolled and then make the furling line fast
onto a cleat which is there for that purpose.
Why do you think you need to do more?

"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock and
also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail tie on for
heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period. I'ts more of a
peace of mind thing than a significant hazard but it keeps me from seeing
those scenes in my mind when I wake up in the middle of the night.

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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler"
is surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra wraps
with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall someone
(more than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I wondered at
the time how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

I do not see the problem. Like you, I give the sail a couple of extra
wraps of the sheets when it is fully rolled and then make the furling line
fast onto a cleat which is there for that purpose.
Why do you think you need to do more?



Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail will
unfurl and flog itself to death. I've had this come up twice. Once was a
customer going back to the boat to get something he forgot and doing me a
"favor" because the jib sheet on that side was rubbing on the dodger and he
took off both lines from the same cleat. The other was a dock worker, who I
believe was checking shore power hookups to make sure they were secure (we
had a near miss boat fire - someone not using a locking ring on the shore
power connection). I'm glad I had the shackle.



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"Roger Long" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock and
also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail tie on
for heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period. I'ts more
of a peace of mind thing than a significant hazard but it keeps me from
seeing those scenes in my mind when I wake up in the middle of the night.

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Roger Long



There was a boat in the same row as mine that shredded a jib during a storm
last winter. I don't want to repeat that.

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:33:40 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:22:25 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler"
is
surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra wraps
with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall someone (more
than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I wondered at the
time
how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

http://picasaweb.google.com/SailNOW....31504561647202

I use a sail tie, which I place as high as I can reach, and make a
series of half hitches going down.

The ones that kill me are the sailors who apparently think it looks
sporty to leave the last little bit of sail sticking out. Maybe they
imagine it's going to keep them from sailing around at anchor?

I just see it as an invitation to needing a new sail made.



Yeah, they don't have a clew, eventually. LOL

funny.

On 12 Aug 2008 18:10:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

I generally cleat off both sheets fairly tight. Then as Roger says, if I'm
expecting a storm or will be gone for a long time I'll add a separate tie
around the sail.

I think that's a good plan for anything up to a full gale or
hurricane. I have seen so many shredded furling sails that I can't
begin to remember them all. It's really important to take them down
before a major wind event.

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:02:14 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail will
unfurl and flog itself to death.

I generally cleat off both sheets fairly tight. Then as Roger says, if I'm
expecting a storm or will be gone for a long time I'll add a separate tie
around the sail.


I do, but not around the winch. You need to keep in mind that the fairly
hefty sheets are in opposition to a fairly light furling line, so I wouldn't
over tighten.

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