On Aug 20, 2:42 pm, "Edgar" wrote:
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I am amazed that even here in a Norwegian winter some owners just have their
boats hauled and simply leave the jib rolled up all winter just as they left
it last time they sailed.

I know folks who spend a week a year just working on their boats
varnish but can't find ten minutes to stow the jib properly. Clearly,
I'm missing something 'cause leaving the jib bent on indefinitely just
doesn't make any sense to me.

-- Tom.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:42:28 +0200, "Edgar"
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On Aug 12, 12:01 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock and
also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail tie on
for
heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period. ...

A sister "ship" (boat) of ours was lost when the upper section of jib
unfurled and caused them to drag anchor. I take the jib off when I'm
not going to go sailing for a couple of days. It lasts a lot longer
and would have to crawl back on deck and get itself out of its bag to
do any harm. I don't understand why folks leave the jibs bent on when
they are away from the boat or expecting heavy weather.

-- Tom.

I am amazed that even here in a Norwegian winter some owners just have their
boats hauled and simply leave the jib rolled up all winter just as they left
it last time they sailed.

In a Norwegian winter, the sun never gets hlgh enough for any
significant part of the UV to make it to the ground.

Casady

On 2008-08-20 16:30:25 -0400, " said:

On Aug 12, 12:01 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Edgar" wrote

Why do you think you need to do more?

Because I've seen the mess when a sail has come unrolled at the dock
and also on a mooring. I depend on the wraps normally but put a sail
tie on for heavy weather or when leaving the boat for a long period.
...

A sister "ship" (boat) of ours was lost when the upper section of jib
unfurled and caused them to drag anchor.

That sounds like a different problem, which I've also seen: The sail
not being furled tightly enough and a squall coming through. Their clew
was still tightly wrapped/kept, but the sail unfurled like a sardine
can.

I take the jib off when I'm not going to go sailing for a couple of
days. It lasts a lot longer and would have to crawl back on deck and
get itself out of its bag to do any harm. I don't understand why folks
leave the jibs bent on when they are away from the boat or expecting
heavy weather.

For me, the convenience of being able to have the sail out and drawing
15 minutes after we've entered the parking lot outweighs the expense of
once-a-decade sacrificial cloth.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler"
is surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra wraps
with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall someone
(more than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I wondered at
the time how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

I do not see the problem. Like you, I give the sail a couple of extra
wraps of the sheets when it is fully rolled and then make the furling line
fast onto a cleat which is there for that purpose.
Why do you think you need to do more?



Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail will
unfurl and flog itself to death. I've had this come up twice. Once was a
customer going back to the boat to get something he forgot and doing me a
"favor" because the jib sheet on that side was rubbing on the dodger and he
took off both lines from the same cleat. The other was a dock worker, who I
believe was checking shore power hookups to make sure they were secure (we
had a near miss boat fire - someone not using a locking ring on the shore
power connection). I'm glad I had the shackle.



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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail furler"
is surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra
wraps with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall
someone (more than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I
wondered at the time how one gets up high enough to make that effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

I do not see the problem. Like you, I give the sail a couple of extra
wraps of the sheets when it is fully rolled and then make the furling
line fast onto a cleat which is there for that purpose.
Why do you think you need to do more?



Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail will


Well, if you can't secure a line on a cleat any better than that......

How do you tie up your boat at the dock? Do you use shackles and thimbles,
aka Boobspit?


unfurl and flog itself to death. I've had this come up twice. Once was a
customer going back to the boat to get something he forgot and doing me a
"favor" because the jib sheet on that side was rubbing on the dodger and
he took off both lines from the same cleat. The other was a dock worker,
who I believe was checking shore power hookups to make sure they were
secure (we had a near miss boat fire - someone not using a locking ring on
the shore power connection). I'm glad I had the shackle.



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"HardCourt" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
I thought this deserved another thread, even though the "headsail
furler" is surprisingly civil so far.

We all know (I hope) about giving the furled sail a couple of extra
wraps with the jib sheets, but do you go further? I seem to recall
someone (more than one) tying off the sail with an extra line, but I
wondered at the time how one gets up high enough to make that
effective.

I use a shackle on the drum of my Schaefer. Anyone else?

I do not see the problem. Like you, I give the sail a couple of extra
wraps of the sheets when it is fully rolled and then make the furling
line fast onto a cleat which is there for that purpose.
Why do you think you need to do more?



Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail
will


Well, if you can't secure a line on a cleat any better than that......

Well, did you not read the rest of my post or did you just ignore it?

"I've had this come up twice. Once was a
customer going back to the boat to get something he forgot and doing me a
"favor" because the jib sheet on that side was rubbing on the dodger and he
took off both lines from the same cleat. The other was a dock worker, who I
believe was checking shore power hookups to make sure they were secure (we
had a near miss boat fire - someone not using a locking ring on the shore
power connection)."

How do you tie up your boat at the dock? Do you use shackles and
thimbles, aka Boobspit?

What's that got to do with furlers?

In any case, unfortunately, they don't allow regular cleats on our docks.
So, yes, I have to use the rings.

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On 12 Aug 2008 18:10:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

I generally cleat off both sheets fairly tight. Then as Roger says, if I'm
expecting a storm or will be gone for a long time I'll add a separate tie
around the sail.

I think that's a good plan for anything up to a full gale or
hurricane. I have seen so many shredded furling sails that I can't
begin to remember them all. It's really important to take them down
before a major wind event.

It's really important to take them down
before a major wind event.

Yep, tried to warn a fellow slipholder of this. Then Ernesto came through
and ripped it to shreds. A couple of us were around tending to lines. It
only took about a minute to wreck it.

On Aug 14, 7:20*pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
It's really important to take them down
before a major wind event.

Yep, tried to warn a fellow slipholder of this. *Then Ernesto came through
and ripped it to shreds. *A couple of us were around tending to lines. *It
only took about a minute to wreck it.

The best thing to do if a major storm is coming is to remove all sails
from the rig. A poor second best for a roller furling headsail would
be to wrap the spinnaker halyard around the sail, which should prevent
if from unfurling.

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:02:14 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Well, basically, if the line should come off the cleat, then the sail will
unfurl and flog itself to death.

I generally cleat off both sheets fairly tight. Then as Roger says, if I'm
expecting a storm or will be gone for a long time I'll add a separate tie
around the sail.


I do, but not around the winch. You need to keep in mind that the fairly
hefty sheets are in opposition to a fairly light furling line, so I wouldn't
over tighten.

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