"Roger Long" wrote in message
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Exactly. As has been pointed out here endlessly, being the stand on
vessel doesn't make you blameless if you take no action to avoid the
collision. Rules aside, the CG boat would have gotten to its mission
objective a lot sooner if it had followed the full rules of the road
instead of just the one governing the passing situation.

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Roger Long

I looked at the vid again, and I'm even more shocked by what happened. It
was pretty clear that the people on the PB weren't paying attention even in
the fuzzy vid, yet on the CG boat came. It's really disturbing to think that
they would have so little regard for life and limb, given the CG's mission.
It was totally avoidable. They could have done their mission, and then cited
the PB for not keeping a proper watch or whatever.

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote

Whil it's difficult to predict what a judge would do ....

Considering the kind of judges that have been appointed over the past
couple of decades, I would expect the entire blame to be placed on the
speedboat with charges of impeading law inforcement, assulting CG
officers, damaging federal property, and terrorism thrown in. We're
pretty much a police state now.

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Roger Long


I'm starting to think that the Supreme Court did the right thing w.r.t. the
decision on firearms. LOL

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:37:22 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Roger Long" wrote in message
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Exactly. As has been pointed out here endlessly, being the stand on
vessel doesn't make you blameless if you take no action to avoid the
collision. Rules aside, the CG boat would have gotten to its mission
objective a lot sooner if it had followed the full rules of the road
instead of just the one governing the passing situation.

--
Roger Long

I looked at the vid again, and I'm even more shocked by what happened. It
was pretty clear that the people on the PB weren't paying attention even
in
the fuzzy vid, yet on the CG boat came. It's really disturbing to think
that
they would have so little regard for life and limb, given the CG's
mission.
It was totally avoidable. They could have done their mission, and then
cited
the PB for not keeping a proper watch or whatever.

The video is a little misleading. At the beginning they show a CG boat
and helicopter. That's not the boat that ran them over. It was a
private craft manned by CG AUX. I think the victims may have even been
looking at whatever the "rescue" boat was headed towards. It sure
appears that the CG Aux was greatly exceeding their authority, and I
would guess they were probably found almost entirely to blame.


Ok.. I feel a little better, having had my own run-in with the Aux. Some are
great, so are total bozos with delusions of grandeur.

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"Capt. JG" wrote

total bozos with delusions of grandeur.


Don't get me started on my brief membership in the Civil Air Patrol.

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Roger Long

On Jul 11, 11:20*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote

total bozos with delusions of grandeur.

Don't get me started on my brief membership in the Civil Air Patrol.
...

I think it's the uniforms. If you dress folks up like extras from
some kind of farcical operetta about vaguely fascist aquatic clowns
the guys who show up for a second day of work are likely to be acting
to type... The CAP, CG Aux and Power Squadron all do some good work
and have the potential to be wonderful resources but they seem to
attract a lot of guys who really ought to go join the benevolent order
of costume parties and I think they are the worse for it...

--Tom.

On Jul 11, 11:09*am, " wrote:
On Jul 11, 11:20*am, "Roger Long" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote

total bozos with delusions of grandeur.

Don't get me started on my brief membership in the Civil Air Patrol.

...

I think it's the uniforms. *If you dress folks up like extras from
some kind of farcical operetta about vaguely fascist aquatic clowns
the guys who show up for a second day of work are likely to be acting
to type... *The CAP, CG Aux and Power Squadron all do some good work
and have the potential to be wonderful resources but they seem to
attract a lot of guys who really ought to go join the benevolent order
of costume parties and I think they are the worse for it...

--Tom.

Hi Tom
You bring up an interesting concept that was rather startlingly
described in 1971 (Zimbardo).

Phillip Zimbardo's (1971) Prisoners Experment held at Stanford
revealed a rahter ugly side of humans. The results suggest that given
certain roles:

"...Prisoners (students) and guards (students) rapidly adapted to
their roles, stepping beyond the boundaries of what had been predicted
and leading to dangerous and psychologically damaging situations. One-
third of the guards were judged to have exhibited "genuine" sadistic
tendencies, while many prisoners were emotionally traumatized and two
had to be removed from the experiment early. Finally, Zimbardo
terminated the experiment because he realized that his experiment was
unethical..."

In other words give a guy a gun and a uniform and they start acting
like an ass hole. But some argue only ass holes are attracted to
American style law inforcment.

Bob

It's not the uniforms, it's the type of person. You run into them in all
facets of life. Take the self appointed neighborhood Nazi running around
poking into everyone's business, posting flyers and even going so far as to
demand that any reports of illegal or dangerous activities/situations be to
him instead of the police so that he can report them himself. This is all
above and beyond any homeowners associations agreements or convenants and
actually interferes with police business. At least with the CAP, CGAux, etc
you only deal with them on a limited basis. Imagine living on the same block
or next door to this 24/7. If anyone has any suggestions of how to deal with
this type of person, I'm all ears. Thanks.

Thomas Flores



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On Jul 11, 11:20 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote

total bozos with delusions of grandeur.

Don't get me started on my brief membership in the Civil Air Patrol.
....

I think it's the uniforms. If you dress folks up like extras from
some kind of farcical operetta about vaguely fascist aquatic clowns
the guys who show up for a second day of work are likely to be acting
to type... The CAP, CG Aux and Power Squadron all do some good work
and have the potential to be wonderful resources but they seem to
attract a lot of guys who really ought to go join the benevolent order
of costume parties and I think they are the worse for it...

--Tom.

Tell us how you really feel!

wrote in message
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On Jul 11, 11:20 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote

total bozos with delusions of grandeur.

Don't get me started on my brief membership in the Civil Air Patrol.
....

I think it's the uniforms. If you dress folks up like extras from
some kind of farcical operetta about vaguely fascist aquatic clowns
the guys who show up for a second day of work are likely to be acting
to type... The CAP, CG Aux and Power Squadron all do some good work
and have the potential to be wonderful resources but they seem to
attract a lot of guys who really ought to go join the benevolent order
of costume parties and I think they are the worse for it...

--Tom.



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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:56:13 -0400, "Thomas Flores"

said:

It's not the uniforms, it's the type of person. You run into them in all
facets of life. Take the self appointed neighborhood Nazi ...

Then there's the self-righteous cadre of individuals who insist on
trumpeting, regardless of relevance to the discussion, how "green" they
are
in their boating activities, or how they would of course never employ
(gasp)
non-union labor.

I've got them on my list g.


What bothers me is people who keep lists of people they don't like. g

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Can anyone show me the Rule which gives law enforcement or CG "right of
way" when blue light flashing? Just asking

otn




Dave wrote in
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:02:37 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

What bothers me is people who keep lists of people they don't like.
g

It was a literary allusion, Jon. To the Lord High Executioner's song
in The Mikado about his little list of people who'll "none of them be
missed".