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Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
Hello,
Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Heard great things of Cal 34's. What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. Thanks, Rob Whitaker "Free Spirit" |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
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(Bob Whitaker) wrote: Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Heard great things of Cal 34's. What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. CSY 33 or 37 There are TWO 33s for sale - TRINITY $ 33K Located in Palmetto, FL - TALIAH $ 45K Located in Orange Beach, AL 37s - RED SKY for US$ 48K Located in St. Thomas, USVI - ONWARD $49K in Urbana VA (not on YachtWorld) - EXPOSURE 59.9K in Clearwater - SCIMITAR (plan A) in Oriental NC $59.9K - SOL e LUNA for $ 64K Located in Ruskin, FL - SANCTUARY for :$ 79K Located in Merritt Island, FL I am not a broker. grandma Rosalie S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156 http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
My first advice is to drop the phrase "blue water cruiser." It makes you
sound like you want to be the Tidy Bowl man. Bob Whitaker wrote: Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Not a good idea IMHO, but diff'rent strokes etc etc. Most boats sold as 'project boats' are bad deals, since the cost & labor to complete are tremendously more than the buyer realizes. Most soak up huge amounts of time & money and never get into the water. But a cruiser must enjoy working on his boat, it's a prime requirement... so you might as well get that pleasure if you can't get the rest of the package. ... Heard great things of Cal 34's. From where? Cals are nice enough but are run-of-the-mill mass-produced boats. I happened to cruise a Cal 34 (somebody elses, it was far more boat than I could afford at the time) up and down the East Coast in the late 1970s. Lots of fun, but not on my short list for taking offshore. ... What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. How much are you hung up on name brands? A Pearson of older vintage might be a good deal, or a Cape Dory, for slightly more $$ you get a Bristol or Tartan; or if you wanted a well built boat with more pep, an Ericson or an Islander. My recomendation would be something more off the beaten track like a Sabre or an Oyster, or one of the Scandanavian boats. A J-32 would be nice but you're not likely to find one in the bargain bin. You never know until you start looking. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
My first advice is to drop the phrase "blue water cruiser." It makes you
sound like you want to be the Tidy Bowl man. Bob Whitaker wrote: Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Not a good idea IMHO, but diff'rent strokes etc etc. Most boats sold as 'project boats' are bad deals, since the cost & labor to complete are tremendously more than the buyer realizes. Most soak up huge amounts of time & money and never get into the water. But a cruiser must enjoy working on his boat, it's a prime requirement... so you might as well get that pleasure if you can't get the rest of the package. ... Heard great things of Cal 34's. From where? Cals are nice enough but are run-of-the-mill mass-produced boats. I happened to cruise a Cal 34 (somebody elses, it was far more boat than I could afford at the time) up and down the East Coast in the late 1970s. Lots of fun, but not on my short list for taking offshore. ... What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. How much are you hung up on name brands? A Pearson of older vintage might be a good deal, or a Cape Dory, for slightly more $$ you get a Bristol or Tartan; or if you wanted a well built boat with more pep, an Ericson or an Islander. My recomendation would be something more off the beaten track like a Sabre or an Oyster, or one of the Scandanavian boats. A J-32 would be nice but you're not likely to find one in the bargain bin. You never know until you start looking. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
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Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
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Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
Doug "Fresh Breezes" King wrote:
My first advice is to drop the phrase "blue water cruiser." It makes you sound like you want to be the Tidy Bowl man. My apologies... those of you in the toilet cleaning business may have misinterpreted what I meant. Doug "Fresh Toilet" King is apparently referring to the disinfectant tablets you drop in toilet tanks, which apparently is the first thing that comes to his mind when he hears the term "blue water". When he hears the term "green water" he probably thinks it's the competing brand of disinfectant. I, on the other hand, was using the term to refer to cruising in the open ocean as opposed to coastal cruising... When I hear the term "blue water cruiser" I immediately conjure up images of a sailboat designed for extended offshore passages, rugged construction, heavier displacement than modern racing designs, good reserve buoyancy at the bow, small cockpit, stern that will hold it's own on a following sea, good control while surfing, a strong skeg-mounted rudder or one that's attached to the keel, and a boat that will hold up to getting pooped with "green water" (and no Doug, I'm not talking about _THAT_ kind of "poop"). But, you see Doug, saying all that is quite a mouthful, and it wouldn't have fit on the subject line to boot. So, I opted for the more concise term "blue water cruiser"... Sorry if it caused confusion in your mind. If you read the original post carefully, you will notice that I did not use the term in the main body, where I stressed "safety in open waters"... Perhaps you missed that point? I know that our personal experiences in life tend to make us predisposed to sometimes misinterpreting other people's comments, sometimes with embarrassing results, as was apparently the case when you misinterpreted "blue water" for toilet disinfectants. But don't worry, Doug, we won't hold it against you. Not a good idea IMHO, but diff'rent strokes etc etc. Most boats sold as 'project boats' are bad deals Ohhh boy... here we go again?!?!?! My heartfelt advice to you Doug is to please consider taking people's comments at face value. Who knows... Some people may actually mean what they say... By the way, when I wrote: "--I would prefer a project boat." I actually meant it. Also, in case you just glossed over that sentence, when I said: "--I would actually enjoy it." I meant that too. A Pearson of older vintage might be a good deal, or a Cape Dory, an Ericson or an Islander. OK... now you are talking... Thanks for answering the original question!!! Yipe-dee-doo!!! Now we can finally get back to the main topic. I've also heard very positive comments about Cape Dorys, but I haven't had the chance to sail one yet. I would be interested in any opinions you may have on them. Oh... yes... and please do us all a favor and stay on topic this time? Cals are nice enough but are run-of-the-mill mass-produced boats. What I like about Cals is that they sail great and that they are really tough boats by all accounts! I also like that they were mass-produced because the laws of supply and demand dictate that "project" Cals are inexpensive to acquire. Now, Doug, wouldn't it have been a lot nicer if you had just answered the original question politely rather than trying to be snotty with your post? You are apparently a smart man. My advice to you is to let other people recognize that about you by the quality of your posts, not by your failed attempts at belittling others. Fresh Toilets -- Bob Whitaker P.S. Oh, and I also meant it when I said I'd be interested in hearing your comments about Cape Dorys. DSK wrote in message ... My first advice is to drop the phrase "blue water cruiser." It makes you sound like you want to be the Tidy Bowl man. Bob Whitaker wrote: Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Not a good idea IMHO, but diff'rent strokes etc etc. Most boats sold as 'project boats' are bad deals, since the cost & labor to complete are tremendously more than the buyer realizes. Most soak up huge amounts of time & money and never get into the water. But a cruiser must enjoy working on his boat, it's a prime requirement... so you might as well get that pleasure if you can't get the rest of the package. ... Heard great things of Cal 34's. From where? Cals are nice enough but are run-of-the-mill mass-produced boats. I happened to cruise a Cal 34 (somebody elses, it was far more boat than I could afford at the time) up and down the East Coast in the late 1970s. Lots of fun, but not on my short list for taking offshore. ... What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. How much are you hung up on name brands? A Pearson of older vintage might be a good deal, or a Cape Dory, for slightly more $$ you get a Bristol or Tartan; or if you wanted a well built boat with more pep, an Ericson or an Islander. My recomendation would be something more off the beaten track like a Sabre or an Oyster, or one of the Scandanavian boats. A J-32 would be nice but you're not likely to find one in the bargain bin. You never know until you start looking. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
Doug "Fresh Breezes" King wrote:
My first advice is to drop the phrase "blue water cruiser." It makes you sound like you want to be the Tidy Bowl man. My apologies... those of you in the toilet cleaning business may have misinterpreted what I meant. Doug "Fresh Toilet" King is apparently referring to the disinfectant tablets you drop in toilet tanks, which apparently is the first thing that comes to his mind when he hears the term "blue water". When he hears the term "green water" he probably thinks it's the competing brand of disinfectant. I, on the other hand, was using the term to refer to cruising in the open ocean as opposed to coastal cruising... When I hear the term "blue water cruiser" I immediately conjure up images of a sailboat designed for extended offshore passages, rugged construction, heavier displacement than modern racing designs, good reserve buoyancy at the bow, small cockpit, stern that will hold it's own on a following sea, good control while surfing, a strong skeg-mounted rudder or one that's attached to the keel, and a boat that will hold up to getting pooped with "green water" (and no Doug, I'm not talking about _THAT_ kind of "poop"). But, you see Doug, saying all that is quite a mouthful, and it wouldn't have fit on the subject line to boot. So, I opted for the more concise term "blue water cruiser"... Sorry if it caused confusion in your mind. If you read the original post carefully, you will notice that I did not use the term in the main body, where I stressed "safety in open waters"... Perhaps you missed that point? I know that our personal experiences in life tend to make us predisposed to sometimes misinterpreting other people's comments, sometimes with embarrassing results, as was apparently the case when you misinterpreted "blue water" for toilet disinfectants. But don't worry, Doug, we won't hold it against you. Not a good idea IMHO, but diff'rent strokes etc etc. Most boats sold as 'project boats' are bad deals Ohhh boy... here we go again?!?!?! My heartfelt advice to you Doug is to please consider taking people's comments at face value. Who knows... Some people may actually mean what they say... By the way, when I wrote: "--I would prefer a project boat." I actually meant it. Also, in case you just glossed over that sentence, when I said: "--I would actually enjoy it." I meant that too. A Pearson of older vintage might be a good deal, or a Cape Dory, an Ericson or an Islander. OK... now you are talking... Thanks for answering the original question!!! Yipe-dee-doo!!! Now we can finally get back to the main topic. I've also heard very positive comments about Cape Dorys, but I haven't had the chance to sail one yet. I would be interested in any opinions you may have on them. Oh... yes... and please do us all a favor and stay on topic this time? Cals are nice enough but are run-of-the-mill mass-produced boats. What I like about Cals is that they sail great and that they are really tough boats by all accounts! I also like that they were mass-produced because the laws of supply and demand dictate that "project" Cals are inexpensive to acquire. Now, Doug, wouldn't it have been a lot nicer if you had just answered the original question politely rather than trying to be snotty with your post? You are apparently a smart man. My advice to you is to let other people recognize that about you by the quality of your posts, not by your failed attempts at belittling others. Fresh Toilets -- Bob Whitaker P.S. Oh, and I also meant it when I said I'd be interested in hearing your comments about Cape Dorys. DSK wrote in message ... My first advice is to drop the phrase "blue water cruiser." It makes you sound like you want to be the Tidy Bowl man. Bob Whitaker wrote: Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Not a good idea IMHO, but diff'rent strokes etc etc. Most boats sold as 'project boats' are bad deals, since the cost & labor to complete are tremendously more than the buyer realizes. Most soak up huge amounts of time & money and never get into the water. But a cruiser must enjoy working on his boat, it's a prime requirement... so you might as well get that pleasure if you can't get the rest of the package. ... Heard great things of Cal 34's. From where? Cals are nice enough but are run-of-the-mill mass-produced boats. I happened to cruise a Cal 34 (somebody elses, it was far more boat than I could afford at the time) up and down the East Coast in the late 1970s. Lots of fun, but not on my short list for taking offshore. ... What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. How much are you hung up on name brands? A Pearson of older vintage might be a good deal, or a Cape Dory, for slightly more $$ you get a Bristol or Tartan; or if you wanted a well built boat with more pep, an Ericson or an Islander. My recomendation would be something more off the beaten track like a Sabre or an Oyster, or one of the Scandanavian boats. A J-32 would be nice but you're not likely to find one in the bargain bin. You never know until you start looking. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
way to go, Bob. you figured out dougies one hell of a lot quicker than most
people do. A Cal 34 is actually considered a rather decent boat for its size, and far more than decent for the dollar. Good luck to you. Doug "Fresh Breezes" King wrote: My first advice is to drop the phrase "blue water cruiser." It makes you sound like you want to be the Tidy Bowl man. My apologies... those of you in the toilet cleaning business may have misinterpreted what I meant. Doug "Fresh Toilet" King is apparently referring to the disinfectant tablets you drop in toilet tanks, which apparently is the first thing that comes to his mind when he hears the term "blue water". When he hears the term "green water" he probably thinks it's the competing brand of disinfectant. I, on the other hand, was using the term to refer to cruising in the open ocean as opposed to coastal cruising... When I hear the term "blue water cruiser" I immediately conjure up images of a sailboat designed for extended offshore passages, rugged construction, heavier displacement than modern racing designs, good reserve buoyancy at the bow, small cockpit, stern that will hold it's own on a following sea, good control while surfing, a strong skeg-mounted rudder or one that's attached to the keel, and a boat that will hold up to getting pooped with "green water" (and no Doug, I'm not talking about _THAT_ kind of "poop"). But, you see Doug, saying all that is quite a mouthful, and it wouldn't have fit on the subject line to boot. So, I opted for the more concise term "blue water cruiser"... Sorry if it caused confusion in your mind. If you read the original post carefully, you will notice that I did not use the term in the main body, where I stressed "safety in open waters"... Perhaps you missed that point? I know that our personal experiences in life tend to make us predisposed to sometimes misinterpreting other people's comments, sometimes with embarrassing results, as was apparently the case when you misinterpreted "blue water" for toilet disinfectants. But don't worry, Doug, we won't hold it against you. Not a good idea IMHO, but diff'rent strokes etc etc. Most boats sold as 'project boats' are bad deals Ohhh boy... here we go again?!?!?! My heartfelt advice to you Doug is to please consider taking people's comments at face value. Who knows... Some people may actually mean what they say... By the way, when I wrote: "--I would prefer a project boat." I actually meant it. Also, in case you just glossed over that sentence, when I said: "--I would actually enjoy it." I meant that too. A Pearson of older vintage might be a good deal, or a Cape Dory, an Ericson or an Islander. OK... now you are talking... Thanks for answering the original question!!! Yipe-dee-doo!!! Now we can finally get back to the main topic. I've also heard very positive comments about Cape Dorys, but I haven't had the chance to sail one yet. I would be interested in any opinions you may have on them. Oh... yes... and please do us all a favor and stay on topic this time? Cals are nice enough but are run-of-the-mill mass-produced boats. What I like about Cals is that they sail great and that they are really tough boats by all accounts! I also like that they were mass-produced because the laws of supply and demand dictate that "project" Cals are inexpensive to acquire. Now, Doug, wouldn't it have been a lot nicer if you had just answered the original question politely rather than trying to be snotty with your post? You are apparently a smart man. My advice to you is to let other people recognize that about you by the quality of your posts, not by your failed attempts at belittling others. Fresh Toilets -- Bob Whitaker P.S. Oh, and I also meant it when I said I'd be interested in hearing your comments about Cape Dorys. DSK wrote in message t... My first advice is to drop the phrase "blue water cruiser." It makes you sound like you want to be the Tidy Bowl man. Bob Whitaker wrote: Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Not a good idea IMHO, but diff'rent strokes etc etc. Most boats sold as 'project boats' are bad deals, since the cost & labor to complete are tremendously more than the buyer realizes. Most soak up huge amounts of time & money and never get into the water. But a cruiser must enjoy working on his boat, it's a prime requirement... so you might as well get that pleasure if you can't get the rest of the package. ... Heard great things of Cal 34's. From where? Cals are nice enough but are run-of-the-mill mass-produced boats. I happened to cruise a Cal 34 (somebody elses, it was far more boat than I could afford at the time) up and down the East Coast in the late 1970s. Lots of fun, but not on my short list for taking offshore. ... What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. How much are you hung up on name brands? A Pearson of older vintage might be a good deal, or a Cape Dory, for slightly more $$ you get a Bristol or Tartan; or if you wanted a well built boat with more pep, an Ericson or an Islander. My recomendation would be something more off the beaten track like a Sabre or an Oyster, or one of the Scandanavian boats. A J-32 would be nice but you're not likely to find one in the bargain bin. You never know until you start looking. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
way to go, Bob. you figured out dougies one hell of a lot quicker than most
people do. A Cal 34 is actually considered a rather decent boat for its size, and far more than decent for the dollar. Good luck to you. Doug "Fresh Breezes" King wrote: My first advice is to drop the phrase "blue water cruiser." It makes you sound like you want to be the Tidy Bowl man. My apologies... those of you in the toilet cleaning business may have misinterpreted what I meant. Doug "Fresh Toilet" King is apparently referring to the disinfectant tablets you drop in toilet tanks, which apparently is the first thing that comes to his mind when he hears the term "blue water". When he hears the term "green water" he probably thinks it's the competing brand of disinfectant. I, on the other hand, was using the term to refer to cruising in the open ocean as opposed to coastal cruising... When I hear the term "blue water cruiser" I immediately conjure up images of a sailboat designed for extended offshore passages, rugged construction, heavier displacement than modern racing designs, good reserve buoyancy at the bow, small cockpit, stern that will hold it's own on a following sea, good control while surfing, a strong skeg-mounted rudder or one that's attached to the keel, and a boat that will hold up to getting pooped with "green water" (and no Doug, I'm not talking about _THAT_ kind of "poop"). But, you see Doug, saying all that is quite a mouthful, and it wouldn't have fit on the subject line to boot. So, I opted for the more concise term "blue water cruiser"... Sorry if it caused confusion in your mind. If you read the original post carefully, you will notice that I did not use the term in the main body, where I stressed "safety in open waters"... Perhaps you missed that point? I know that our personal experiences in life tend to make us predisposed to sometimes misinterpreting other people's comments, sometimes with embarrassing results, as was apparently the case when you misinterpreted "blue water" for toilet disinfectants. But don't worry, Doug, we won't hold it against you. Not a good idea IMHO, but diff'rent strokes etc etc. Most boats sold as 'project boats' are bad deals Ohhh boy... here we go again?!?!?! My heartfelt advice to you Doug is to please consider taking people's comments at face value. Who knows... Some people may actually mean what they say... By the way, when I wrote: "--I would prefer a project boat." I actually meant it. Also, in case you just glossed over that sentence, when I said: "--I would actually enjoy it." I meant that too. A Pearson of older vintage might be a good deal, or a Cape Dory, an Ericson or an Islander. OK... now you are talking... Thanks for answering the original question!!! Yipe-dee-doo!!! Now we can finally get back to the main topic. I've also heard very positive comments about Cape Dorys, but I haven't had the chance to sail one yet. I would be interested in any opinions you may have on them. Oh... yes... and please do us all a favor and stay on topic this time? Cals are nice enough but are run-of-the-mill mass-produced boats. What I like about Cals is that they sail great and that they are really tough boats by all accounts! I also like that they were mass-produced because the laws of supply and demand dictate that "project" Cals are inexpensive to acquire. Now, Doug, wouldn't it have been a lot nicer if you had just answered the original question politely rather than trying to be snotty with your post? You are apparently a smart man. My advice to you is to let other people recognize that about you by the quality of your posts, not by your failed attempts at belittling others. Fresh Toilets -- Bob Whitaker P.S. Oh, and I also meant it when I said I'd be interested in hearing your comments about Cape Dorys. DSK wrote in message t... My first advice is to drop the phrase "blue water cruiser." It makes you sound like you want to be the Tidy Bowl man. Bob Whitaker wrote: Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Not a good idea IMHO, but diff'rent strokes etc etc. Most boats sold as 'project boats' are bad deals, since the cost & labor to complete are tremendously more than the buyer realizes. Most soak up huge amounts of time & money and never get into the water. But a cruiser must enjoy working on his boat, it's a prime requirement... so you might as well get that pleasure if you can't get the rest of the package. ... Heard great things of Cal 34's. From where? Cals are nice enough but are run-of-the-mill mass-produced boats. I happened to cruise a Cal 34 (somebody elses, it was far more boat than I could afford at the time) up and down the East Coast in the late 1970s. Lots of fun, but not on my short list for taking offshore. ... What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. How much are you hung up on name brands? A Pearson of older vintage might be a good deal, or a Cape Dory, for slightly more $$ you get a Bristol or Tartan; or if you wanted a well built boat with more pep, an Ericson or an Islander. My recomendation would be something more off the beaten track like a Sabre or an Oyster, or one of the Scandanavian boats. A J-32 would be nice but you're not likely to find one in the bargain bin. You never know until you start looking. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
A couple of boats that come to mind are the Tartan 34 and Morgan
34. Both are similar in concept, if not in execution, to the Cal. Tartan 34's have a good reputation and thus a higher price, but Morgan owners love their boats too. Some others to consider that haven't been mentioned yet: Allied Luders 34, Seawind Alberg 30, 37 (Alberg designed some of the Cape Dories or is it Cape Dory's) C&C's are decent boats, and some are centerboarders Douglas 32 Ericson 35 is a decent boat if a foot too long Fuji 35 is pretty shippy Mercator 30 Nicholson 32 Newport 33 Pearson Alberg 35 Ranger 33 Santana 30 (not the 30/30) Yankee 30 Most of these can be had for decent prices (sub $30k) and are a little more conservative in design, a lot of them have centerboards. Matt "Bob Whitaker" wrote in message om... Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Heard great things of Cal 34's. What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
A couple of boats that come to mind are the Tartan 34 and Morgan
34. Both are similar in concept, if not in execution, to the Cal. Tartan 34's have a good reputation and thus a higher price, but Morgan owners love their boats too. Some others to consider that haven't been mentioned yet: Allied Luders 34, Seawind Alberg 30, 37 (Alberg designed some of the Cape Dories or is it Cape Dory's) C&C's are decent boats, and some are centerboarders Douglas 32 Ericson 35 is a decent boat if a foot too long Fuji 35 is pretty shippy Mercator 30 Nicholson 32 Newport 33 Pearson Alberg 35 Ranger 33 Santana 30 (not the 30/30) Yankee 30 Most of these can be had for decent prices (sub $30k) and are a little more conservative in design, a lot of them have centerboards. Matt "Bob Whitaker" wrote in message om... Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Heard great things of Cal 34's. What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
Bob Whitaker wrote:
Now, Doug, wouldn't it have been a lot nicer if you had just answered the original question politely rather than trying to be snotty with your post? Well, Bob, I wasn't really trying to be snotty. Sorry if I made you cry. Just go right on believing that Cals are magnificently constructed boats, and that anybody saying otherwise is just being snotty. Pardon me for treading on your illusions. Bye Doug King |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
Matt/Meribeth Pedersen wrote:
A couple of boats that come to mind are the Tartan 34 and Morgan 34. Both are similar in concept, if not in execution, to the Cal. Tartan 34's have a good reputation and thus a higher price, but Morgan owners love their boats too. The Morgan would be a good tough cruising boat. A lot of people have unreasonable prejudices against centerboards, though. At one time, all of the working sailing vessels and most of the yachts on the east & gulf coasts had them, so they can't be all bad. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
I find the tone of the following post, offensive. Why is it always
the pseudonymous posters who want to let rip in this way? Brian Whatcott On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:09:22 GMT, wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:32:58 -0500, DSK wrote: Matt/Meribeth Pedersen wrote: ...A lot of people have unreasonable prejudices against centerboards, though. At one time, all of the working sailing vessels and most of the yachts on the east & gulf coasts had them, so they can't be all bad. Of course, if they were "all good" they would still be in the majority, dimwit. At one time, oxen pulled plows to cultivate fields. At one time, buggy whip manufacturers had a marketable product. At one time, Sails were all made of heavy canvas. Tougboat, you are the king of all nitwits. BB |
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
Brian Whatcott wrote in message ... I find the tone of the following post, offensive. Why is it always the pseudonymous posters who want to let rip in this way? Our 'friend' probably thought he was still over in the rec.boats newsgroup. At that sire jabbing other posters is the main sport. |
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:51:40 GMT, Brian Whatcott wrote: I find the tone of the following post, offensive. Why is it always the pseudonymous posters who want to let rip in this way? Brian Whatcott On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:45:01 GMT, wrote: Maybe usenet is not the right place for you. DSK (aka Tougboat) is a human butt plug. BB /// Of course, if they were "all good" they would still be in the majority, dimwit. At one time, oxen pulled plows to cultivate fields. At one time, buggy whip manufacturers had a marketable product. At one time, Sails were all made of heavy canvas. Tougboat, you are the king of all nitwits. BB |
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I took exception to
pompous pope DSK, who likes to pontificate and spew absolutes for all occasions based on his extensive reading of old magazines. BB hey, bill. dougies also trailered his boat down 275 miles of Interstate 95 and staunchly referred to it as "cruising", an experience he insisted set him apart from those people who merely sail a few dozen miles every weekend. |
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I took exception to
pompous pope DSK, who likes to pontificate and spew absolutes for all occasions based on his extensive reading of old magazines. BB JAXAshby wrote: hey, bill. dougies also trailered his boat down 275 miles of Interstate 95 and staunchly referred to it as "cruising", an experience he insisted set him apart from those people who merely sail a few dozen miles every weekend. Or those "people" (using the term loosely) such as yourself and BittyBill, who hate & belittle everyone who has actually accomplished anything in real life. DSK |
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Texan wrote:
Considering that the poster said he was out of Corpus Christi and most of the bays and anything out of the channel in that area is ultra shallow, having a centerboard boat is an excellent idea. True also for most of the southern East Coast. My opinion is that shoal draft can be an excellent safety feature, because of the wider area available for anchoring. You can get clear of other vessels and choose your holding ground. Also, if you're not squeamish, you can wade around the anchor and dig it in by hand (or foot). However most people have picked up the curious idea that any boat with a centerboard cannot possibly be "seaworthy." It doesn't fit in with the fantasy image of sailing around Cape Horn. And so if any voyaging, such as to the Bahamas where shoal draft is again a blessing, they choose a deep draft vessel. Not that there's anything wrong with that... Fresh Breezes Doug King |
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Or those "people" (using the term loosely) such as yourself and
BittyBill, who hate & belittle everyone who has actually accomplished anything in real life. such as "cruising" a sailboat down Interstate 95 and claiming it to be a more accomplished sailing experience compared to those who sail a few dozen miles every weekend? DSK |
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dougeis, your sailboat was a 19 foot Nimrod. How the hell can you pontificate
so and not feel ashamed of yourself? True also for most of the southern East Coast. My opinion is that shoal draft can be an excellent safety feature, because of the wider area available for anchoring. You can get clear of other vessels and choose your holding ground. Also, if you're not squeamish, you can wade around the anchor and dig it in by hand (or foot). However most people have picked up the curious idea that any boat with a centerboard cannot possibly be "seaworthy." It doesn't fit in with the fantasy image of sailing around Cape Horn. And so if any voyaging, such as to the Bahamas where shoal draft is again a blessing, they choose a deep draft vessel. Not that there's anything wrong with that... Fresh Breezes Doug King |
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Brian Whatcott wrote:
I find the tone of the following post, offensive. Why is it always the pseudonymous posters who want to let rip in this way? Brian Whatcott It isn't _always_ the anonymous posters who let fly. I myself do so from time to time, as do many others who publish under their own name. Usually it takes persistence and effort to draw these responses out of me, but sometimes it doesn't. There doesn't seem to be any discernable pattern. Also, what one individual finds "offensive" is just that: one person's view. I cannot understand what else one might expect on Usenet. I hope I haven't offended you, Brian. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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dougeis, your sailboat was a 19 foot Nimrod. How the hell can you
pontificate so and not feel ashamed of yourself? Sorry to interrupt the insult-slinging fest with a boat question. How does the Nimrod differ from other small sailing vessels, such as a Sunfish? May seem like a simple question, and it probably is, but as a dyed-in-the-wool stinkpotter I can always learn something about the wind-driven school of boating. |
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gould, "Nimrod" was a "hunter" mentioned in the bible. "Nimrod" is also the
term used to describe Elmer Fudd(?) the cartoon hunter who hit a barn from the side. dougies, used to trailer his 19 foot Hunter down the Interstate and claim to one and all that he was actually "cruising" and thus his "experience" was more valuable as an "expert" than those who sailed merely dozens of miles every weekend. "Sunfish, classic model without the sissy footwell" is a metaphor for a sailboat that is sailed often. dougeis, your sailboat was a 19 foot Nimrod. How the hell can you pontificate so and not feel ashamed of yourself? Sorry to interrupt the insult-slinging fest with a boat question. How does the Nimrod differ from other small sailing vessels, such as a Sunfish? May seem like a simple question, and it probably is, but as a dyed-in-the-wool stinkpotter I can always learn something about the wind-driven school of boating. |
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It is not at all
uncommon for someone who buys one of these non-sailor sailboats to eventually buy a diesel trawler with a fake smoke stack. BB Like mine? By the way, that's not a "fake smokestack", it's a functioning propane locker. :-) The smokestack motif looks a little better on the cabin top than a big FRP box might, expecially with "PROPANE" emblazoned on the side. |
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JAXAshby wrote:
such as "cruising" a sailboat down Interstate 95 and claiming it to be a more accomplished sailing experience compared to those who sail a few dozen miles every weekend? No, obviously it would be better to hunch in front of a keyboard for years, building a reputation as the world's most obnoxious and yet at the same time, most ignorant, usenet denizen. But hey, at least you're famous. DSK |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
The smokestack motif looks a little better on the cabin top than a big FRP box might, expecially with "PROPANE" emblazoned on the side. What I really like about the smokestack is the way it attracts the attention of all the envious cretins who will never be able to afford a boat with one. Fair Skies Doug King |
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It's a fake smoke stack and it's decidedly tacky. Thousand of boats
have propane without needing a fake smoke stack. BB Propane, being heavier than air, must be allowed to find an unobstructed path down and overboard if there should be any leakage. On a boat with high gunwales and deck drains rather than conventional scuppers (I would have been happier with conventional scuppers, btw,) that about eliminates almost any location except a cabin top. Nothing below the top of the gunwale will do. Under ABYC regs, a propane locker must have a top that can be "blown off" in the unlikely event of an explosion. The fake smokestack/propane locker, with a vent at the base, meets all the essential standards. Is there anything on your sailboat that is modified to look a little better than the plain, functional, minimalist appliance might? Any portion of a system that is cosmetically concealed? My best guess would be, "of course." You are entitled to your opinion about "tacky" by the way. People disagree on what's good looking, vs. not. Ever have a buddy who raved on, non-stop, about the gorgeous new gal he was dating...... and then when you finally got to meet this purported "10" you personally figured her for about a 5 1/2? Seems like it's always that way with boats. You don't have to like mine. It merely shows our tastes are different, rather than objectively defining those tastes as superior or inferior. (Human nature, of course, will dictate that we each consider our own taste superior). |
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If I'm a "failure" then I guess it's a good
thing he didn't listen anyway! DSK and, so it goes. |
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The fake smoke stack is akin to those phony "Va-room" motors that kids
put on their bicycles so they could pretend they have a motorcycle. BB I am *so* wounded........ :-) |
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I've poured more salt water out of my shoe than you've sailed over. In
fact, more than you and Jax together.... they got a lot of salt water in rest stop parking lots on Interstate 95? |
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:44:54 -0500, DSK wrote:
What I really like about the smokestack is the way it attracts the attention of all the envious cretins who will never be able to afford a boat with one. My $.02, I like the fake smoke stack. Great storage area, and it makes the boat look salty to boot. It's sorta like the utility shed out back that looks like a horse barn. Sure, you coulda just put up a shed with four walls, a roof and a door, and it would have done the same thing, but a shed with some character, imo, is a little better. Do I have horses in my back yard? No. Do I prefer a utility shed that looks like a barn rather than a utility shed? Yes. bb |
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Frank Maier wrote:
I'm a big fan of the Freedom line; so, my recommendation would be an early 80s Freedom 32, with a sugarscoop added to make it a 34. Hello Frank, Thanks for the input. What are the features you like most about them? Is it their sailing characteristics? Is it your familiarity with them and loyalty to your first love? (a perfectly valid reason :o) Is it their strength? Workmanship? Have you been caught in nasty weather in one? How did it handle? I know that this is a question without a single answer. There's probably as many answers to this question as there are 34 foot models out there. But it would be fun compiling a list of the top 10, and the reasons why their owners felt that way. I may try to post another thread one of these days, seeing as the original post quickly turned to a mud-slinging festival. Thanks, Bob Whitaker "Free Spirit" |
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