On Wed, 07 May 2008 20:16:23 +0000, Richard Casady wrote:


During WWII the Queen Mary was in a North Atlantic gale with no big deal
30 to 40 foot waves. A freak wave broke the pilothouse windows 93 feet
above sea level, and rolled her almost to the point of no return. Weak
windows should not go far offshore.

Casady

A broken porthole was also what sunk the Ocean Ranger. All hands lost.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Ranger

Maybe you should get a flying bridge


Wayne.B wrote:
Now we're talking. :-)

I have actually seen a couple of megayacht sailing machines with
flybridges over the last couple of years.

Heck yeah. When you've got 150'+ of LOA to work with, you can put in
all kind of stuff that won't fit on a smaller boat. It can even look
pretty sleek.

I'd kind of like to have a dinghy garage, with room for at least a
half-dozen Lasers, a couple of Melges 24s, a 25~30' center console
runabout, and a 30' IB commuter gig. Then, a hot tub on the foredeck
(with a pushbutton retractable solid cover, of course). A gimballed
(maybe gyro-stabilized) pool room. A boat with room for all that,
who's gonna notice the flying bridge?

DSK

On May 8, 2:41*am, wrote:

Yes, most sailors want to be as far away and removed from the water as possible.
Twenty miles inland is their favorite place of all.

You see we do share common gound. I agree completly!

I am amazed at how many (I wont use the wrord "sailor") people on
boats could care less about the water. In fact as the OP here
describes the advantages of insulating the operator from the sea... to
seperate from the sea..

Even the guy on the Red Clown was described in the media as
"...terrified of getting in the water..." It gets better. When I
attended DIvers Institute of Technology (a 6 month comercial diver
school in Seattle) two coonasses from LA couldnt even swim! Now why
are you going to commercial dive school if you CANT SWIM?!?!

So people here fill their boats with electronics and gadgets to
protect themselvs from the sea and shelter them slvs in pilot houses
and build fat bathtub boats for intertaining without regard to
seakeeping ability. Its all about selling/marketing/profit to get
people who dont like the ocean but want to llve the life of the rich
an famos with the MOST important critera for boat selectoin is........
will I look cool drinking and eating. The problme is sometime they go
to sea and get into small craft warnings and:
Blame NOAA weather
Killer storms and howling winds (really 8-12' seas 20-30K wind gusting
to 38K)
Curse e

Do we still agree?
Bob

On May 7, 10:49*am, Bob wrote:
On May 7, 6:37*am, Ron Heron wrote:

After several years of cruising
Ron Heron
S/V Seven C's

Dear Green Heron:

First off its not a Sailing Vessel (S/V) its a RECREATIONAL Yacht.
Dont try to give it any more dignity than it deserves, which is little
in my opinion.

Next, no where in you list did you mention ANY feature that added to
the STABILITY or SEAWORTHNESS of the boat. your list was all about
keeping your lazy fat ass comfortable. Tell me where do you keep your
Lazy Boy reclining chair and 42" flat screen?

If you want a party barge go get one and enjoy yourself but PLEASE do
not decieve yourself in thinking you have a boat capable of "cruising"
or for that matter keeping you safe in anything where I opporate and
we call typical conditions. Go back and review the adventures of RED
CLOUD and how he faired in nothing more than snotty conditions.

Bob

Hello Mr B,

Ron's boat is a sailboat named Seven Sea's that is why he called it SV
i think.
Im new here lurking 4 awhile. I have a pilot house boat designed by
Ted Hood.
Do u know more about stability than Ted? What kind of boat do u have?
Do u have any pics on-line? r u just another Wilbur,Greg,Cookla.Fran
and Ollie sock actor this place reeks of.

I read about Red Cloud in Soundings magazine. I use to sail the Great
Lakes and 30-35 ft is a bit more than "snotty conditions". IIRC the
Edmond Fitzgerald sank in less fierce seas. I can not wait to see your
boat that handles closely spaced 30 ft waves with ease, well I can
wait because you like wilbur for odvious reasons will remain hidden in
shame behind your mommies skirt. It seems you and wilbur are self
proclaimed experts, yet neither of you have any credibility at all.
What's with that?

Fred

What do you call a man with no arm and no legs and no boat in the
ocean? Bob

wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

On May 8, 2:41 am, wrote:

Yes, most sailors want to be as far away and removed from the water as
possible.
Twenty miles inland is their favorite place of all.

You see we do share common gound. I agree completly!

I am amazed at how many (I wont use the wrord "sailor") people on
boats could care less about the water. In fact as the OP here
describes the advantages of insulating the operator from the sea... to
seperate from the sea..

Even the guy on the Red Clown was described in the media as
"...terrified of getting in the water..." It gets better. When I
attended DIvers Institute of Technology (a 6 month comercial diver
school in Seattle) two coonasses from LA couldnt even swim! Now why
are you going to commercial dive school if you CANT SWIM?!?!

So people here fill their boats with electronics and gadgets to
protect themselvs from the sea and shelter them slvs in pilot houses
and build fat bathtub boats for intertaining without regard to
seakeeping ability. Its all about selling/marketing/profit to get
people who dont like the ocean but want to llve the life of the rich
an famos with the MOST important critera for boat selectoin is........
will I look cool drinking and eating. The problme is sometime they go
to sea and get into small craft warnings and:
Blame NOAA weather
Killer storms and howling winds (really 8-12' seas 20-30K wind gusting
to 38K)
Curse e

Do we still agree?
Bob

NOAA weather predictions in my home waters are worse than useless.

Threshold criteria for Small Craft Warnings (at least around here) are
usually based on 5 foot or greater seas OR steady 25mph wind.


Out here they're great... Small Craft Advisories almost every Summer day!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On May 8, 10:49*am, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Bob said:

Yes, well I was trained as a diver too. But I try not to brag about it where
it's not relevant to the discussion.

I guess Ive been reading too many of Roger's posts and his constant
self promotion and attempts at building credibility. Still that is no
excuse. I appologize deeply for the reference to DIT.

You are correct any true diver would not have mentioned it. I stand
corrected and ashamed that I stooped so low.
bob

On May 8, 3:02*pm, Bob wrote:
On May 8, 10:49*am, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Bob said:
Yes, well I was trained as a diver too. But I try not to brag about it where
it's not relevant to the discussion.

I guess Ive been reading too many of Roger's posts and his constant
self promotion and attempts at building credibility. Still that is no
excuse. I appologize deeply for the reference to DIT.

You are correct any true diver would not have mentioned it. I stand
corrected and ashamed that I stooped so low.
bob

Next you will be claiming you were a SEAL. Keep it up Bob and maybe
in 20-30 years you might get that credibility you are so desperately
seeking.

Way back when Bob dived he had his diving buddy's back covered.
http://home.att.net/~crinaustin/Croc_files/image003.jpg

Fred

On Thu, 8 May 2008 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

On May 8, 10:49*am, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Bob said:

Yes, well I was trained as a diver too. But I try not to brag about it where
it's not relevant to the discussion.

I guess Ive been reading too many of Roger's posts and his constant
self promotion and attempts at building credibility. Still that is no
excuse. I appologize deeply for the reference to DIT.

You are correct any true diver would not have mentioned it. I stand
corrected and ashamed that I stooped so low.

I read that more people have died diving the wreck of the Andrea Doria
than died when she sank. One guy takes an expedition to dive it once a
year. He said 3% get killed. I gather it is pretty deep, for breathing
air. I an not a diver, and don't know what the make of that. If you
take those kinds of risks, you have about a fifty/fifty chance of
getting away with it twenty times, if I pushed the right keys on the
'calculator that takes no prisoners', the HP 48. Are those guys danger
junkies or what?

Casady

On May 8, 2:13*pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:
Are those guys danger
junkies or what?

Casady

Just SPORTS scuba enthusiasts.
A real dive wouldnt go unless there was profit to gain. Then it would
be oxyarc, C4, jet hose, and chain.

On Thu, 8 May 2008 05:04:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I'd kind of like to have a dinghy garage, with room for at least a
half-dozen Lasers, a couple of Melges 24s, a 25~30' center console
runabout, and a 30' IB commuter gig. Then, a hot tub on the foredeck
(with a pushbutton retractable solid cover, of course). A gimballed
(maybe gyro-stabilized) pool room. A boat with room for all that,
who's gonna notice the flying bridge?

Thought you already had all that. :-)