On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:53:44 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
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On 2008-04-14 19:58:04 -0400, Bloody Horvath said:

35 lbs. is hardly more than a sixteen pound bowling ball in each hand.
If you can't handle that... shape up or ship out.

My sixteen year old nephew can pull up the anchor.

Don't forget the chain. We are a size (or maybe two) big on 30' of chain,
so have an additional 30# to haul up. Mud can weigh a bit, too.

I just imagine most 5'2" 125# women trying to haul that by hand.

Yeah, we can lighten our anchor & chain, but would first get a windlass,
as we sleep better with what we have mounted.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/



Jere... he doesn't actually sail and he certainly has never had to deal with
an anchor/chain combo. 30 feet of chain ain't nuthin if you have a all-chain
rode.

Try 200 ft. of chain.......
Bruce-in-Bangkok
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:29:25 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Try 200 ft. of chain.......

With a 120 lb anchor and a 100 lb mud ball. Even the windlass grunts.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:01:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:29:25 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Try 200 ft. of chain.......

With a 120 lb anchor and a 100 lb mud ball. Even the windlass grunts.

On my next boat I'm going to about 50 - 100 ft. of chain and a nylon
rode. Actually the rope is stronger then the chain and you don't have
to rig a snubber every night.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:08:51 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On my next boat I'm going to about 50 - 100 ft. of chain and a nylon
rode. Actually the rope is stronger then the chain and you don't have
to rig a snubber every night.

That will certainly work but all chain has its advantages also:

- less scope required for average conditions

- resulting smaller swing radius

- almost no chance of being cut by an errant prop on an other boat

Nylon also loses a great deal of its original strength when it is wet,
abraded, or as it ages. I regard rigging a snubber as an advantage
because it off-loads the bow pulpit and lowers the effective freeboard
height.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:08:51 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On my next boat I'm going to about 50 - 100 ft. of chain and a nylon
rode. Actually the rope is stronger then the chain and you don't have
to rig a snubber every night.

That will certainly work but all chain has its advantages also:

- less scope required for average conditions

- resulting smaller swing radius

- almost no chance of being cut by an errant prop on an other boat

Nylon also loses a great deal of its original strength when it is wet,
abraded, or as it ages. I regard rigging a snubber as an advantage
because it off-loads the bow pulpit and lowers the effective freeboard
height.



Certainly true... both of course have advantages/disadvantages. If you're
conscientious about checking your ground tackle (as with other vital pieces
of equipment), you're going to have more of the advantages and fewer of the
disadvantages.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Apr 15, 4:08 am, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On my next boat I'm going to about 50 - 100 ft. of chain and a nylon
rode. Actually the rope is stronger then the chain and you don't have
to rig a snubber every night.

You're in coral country aren't you? Coral sand erodes nylon and coral
cuts it. My take on this is that in light winds when the chain is
lying on the bottom you want the nylon well above the level of any
bommies that might be around and still want enough scope out to be
safe. I've been using 35m (~114') of 10mm (~3/8) chain and wouldn't
go with much less. Indeed, I just replaced that with 150' of
nominally 5/16 (actually 9mm) G43. Rigging a snubber is pretty easy
work.

-- Tom.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:24:15 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Apr 15, 4:08 am, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On my next boat I'm going to about 50 - 100 ft. of chain and a nylon
rode. Actually the rope is stronger then the chain and you don't have
to rig a snubber every night.

You're in coral country aren't you? Coral sand erodes nylon and coral
cuts it. My take on this is that in light winds when the chain is
lying on the bottom you want the nylon well above the level of any
bommies that might be around and still want enough scope out to be
safe. I've been using 35m (~114') of 10mm (~3/8) chain and wouldn't
go with much less. Indeed, I just replaced that with 150' of
nominally 5/16 (actually 9mm) G43. Rigging a snubber is pretty easy
work.

-- Tom.


Most places I anchor will be about 30 ft. (not taking the tide into
consideration) with chain I normally use a scope of three. With nylon
I'll probably start with five and see how that works. The first 50 -
100 ft will be chain which is laying on the bottom.

Surprising I seldom find an anchorage with coral, usually it is clay
mud with perhaps some shells.

I think that the chain/rope rode will handle things but if not I still
have the 200 ft. of chain in storage :-).


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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My dock will be under about 10 ft. (not taking the tide into
consideration) with dock lines I normally use a scope of three. With nylon
I'll probably start with five and see how that works. The first 50 -
used rolls of t.p. and beer cans will be laying on the bottom.

Surprising I seldom find an anchorage with coral, usually it has
some sort of pier with piles to tie to. I no longer do any serious
cruising. I just got too old for it and my boat is to large and
difficult to handle. I use it just as a floating home these days.

I think that 3/8 rope dock line will handle things but if not I still
have the 200 ft. of chain in storage. It's new since I haven't
left this dock in about three or four years.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
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Uh huh! Thought so. Thanks for the confirmation.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:53:44 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008041422261877923-jerelull@maccom...
On 2008-04-14 19:58:04 -0400, Bloody Horvath said:

35 lbs. is hardly more than a sixteen pound bowling ball in each hand.
If you can't handle that... shape up or ship out.

My sixteen year old nephew can pull up the anchor.

Don't forget the chain. We are a size (or maybe two) big on 30' of
chain,
so have an additional 30# to haul up. Mud can weigh a bit, too.

I just imagine most 5'2" 125# women trying to haul that by hand.

Yeah, we can lighten our anchor & chain, but would first get a windlass,
as we sleep better with what we have mounted.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/



Jere... he doesn't actually sail and he certainly has never had to deal
with
an anchor/chain combo. 30 feet of chain ain't nuthin if you have a
all-chain
rode.

Try 200 ft. of chain.......
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)


I always get my crew to do this so I don't have to try. LOL

We had a windlass die in the BVIs... pretty calm conditions, anchored in
about 15 ft. I'm glad I wasn't the one doing the hauling to get the anchor
up.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:17:29 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

We had a windlass die in the BVIs... pretty calm conditions, anchored in
about 15 ft. I'm glad I wasn't the one doing the hauling to get the anchor
up.

It's important to have a contingency plan for dealing with windlass
failure. This is relatively easy on a sailboat, just bend another
piece of line onto your snubber and lead it aft to a primary winch,
using snatch blocks to get a fair lead.

On my trawler I carry a piece of gear called a "come along".

http://www.cvfsupplycompany.com/hanpowpulcom.html

I can rig the come along to a mid-ship cleat and pull about 20 feet of
chain, stop it off, get a new purchase, and pull another 20 feet.
It's slow going but it will work in an emergency. It's useful for
other things also, like hoisting 8D batteries out of inaccessible
locations.