The cruise liner, QE2, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel
that it burns.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I didn't even know it was diesel powered......???


Larry W4CSC

No, no, Scotty! I said, "Beam me a wrench.", not a WENCH!
Kirk Out.....

Larry W4CSC ) wrote:
: The cruise liner, QE2, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel
: that it burns.

I find that really, really hard to beleive. Lets see, 5280 feet per
mile, that is 10,560 gallons per mile. For a trip across the Atlantic
of, what ?, 3600 miles?, that is 38,016,000 gallons. At 6 pounds or
so per gallon, that is 114,048 *tons* of fuel. Another way to look
at it, for 38,000,000 gallons of fuel at, say $0.90 per gallon, that is
around $34,200,000 to fuel that beast. If you carry 2000 passenagers,
that is $17,000 per passenger just for the fuel. Naw, someone is
jerking your chain Larry.

: -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

: I didn't even know it was diesel powered......???

Who says you can't burn diesel in boilers?

--
Jim Hollenback, NK6L
my opinion.

Larry W4CSC ) wrote:
: The cruise liner, QE2, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel
: that it burns.

I find that really, really hard to beleive. Lets see, 5280 feet per
mile, that is 10,560 gallons per mile. For a trip across the Atlantic
of, what ?, 3600 miles?, that is 38,016,000 gallons. At 6 pounds or
so per gallon, that is 114,048 *tons* of fuel. Another way to look
at it, for 38,000,000 gallons of fuel at, say $0.90 per gallon, that is
around $34,200,000 to fuel that beast. If you carry 2000 passenagers,
that is $17,000 per passenger just for the fuel. Naw, someone is
jerking your chain Larry.

: -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

: I didn't even know it was diesel powered......???

Who says you can't burn diesel in boilers?

--
Jim Hollenback, NK6L
my opinion.

Maybe only while accelerating from a dead stop to cruising speed?
Don

"Jim Hollenback" wrote in message
...
Larry W4CSC ) wrote:
: The cruise liner, QE2, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel
: that it burns.

I find that really, really hard to beleive. Lets see, 5280 feet per
mile, that is 10,560 gallons per mile. For a trip across the Atlantic
of, what ?, 3600 miles?, that is 38,016,000 gallons. At 6 pounds or
so per gallon, that is 114,048 *tons* of fuel. Another way to look
at it, for 38,000,000 gallons of fuel at, say $0.90 per gallon, that is
around $34,200,000 to fuel that beast. If you carry 2000 passenagers,
that is $17,000 per passenger just for the fuel. Naw, someone is
jerking your chain Larry.


: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------

: I didn't even know it was diesel powered......???

Who says you can't burn diesel in boilers?

--
Jim Hollenback, NK6L
my opinion.

Maybe only while accelerating from a dead stop to cruising speed?
Don

"Jim Hollenback" wrote in message
...
Larry W4CSC ) wrote:
: The cruise liner, QE2, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel
: that it burns.

I find that really, really hard to beleive. Lets see, 5280 feet per
mile, that is 10,560 gallons per mile. For a trip across the Atlantic
of, what ?, 3600 miles?, that is 38,016,000 gallons. At 6 pounds or
so per gallon, that is 114,048 *tons* of fuel. Another way to look
at it, for 38,000,000 gallons of fuel at, say $0.90 per gallon, that is
around $34,200,000 to fuel that beast. If you carry 2000 passenagers,
that is $17,000 per passenger just for the fuel. Naw, someone is
jerking your chain Larry.


: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------

: I didn't even know it was diesel powered......???

Who says you can't burn diesel in boilers?

--
Jim Hollenback, NK6L
my opinion.

It would seem from the following the ship goes much moe than 6 inches
on one gallon of fuel. The ship only carries a total of 4381.4 tons of
fuel oil plus another 206.8 tons of diesel. FYI, the engines start on
diesel and then can switch to heavier oil once warmed up.


QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 - Ship Facts
Ship Facts
Builder - Upper Clyde Shipbuilders, Glasgow
Launch date - 20 September 1967 Passenger accommodation - 1,750
Christened: September 20, 1967, by HRH Queen Elizabeth II
Builders: John Brown & Co. Shipyard (Clydebank) Ltd.
Keel Laid: July 4, 1965
Maiden Voyage: May 2, 1969
Port of Registry: Southampton, EnglandSignal Letters: GBTT
Official Number: 336703
Number of funnels - 1
Number of masts - 1
Construction - Steel
Propulsion - Twin screw
Engines - Nine 9-cylinder medium speed turbo-charged diesels
Service speed - 28.5 knots
Maximum Speed: 32.5 knots

Tonnage and Dimensions

Tonnage:
Gross Tonnage -- 70,327
Net Tonnage -- 37,182
Dimensions
Length Overall: 293.2 m (962 ft)
Height (keel to funnel base): 41 m (134 ft)
Width Overall: 32 m (105 ft)
Height to funnel structu 21.2 m (69.5 ft)
Bridge height of eye: 28.9 m (95 ft)
Height (keel to masthead): 62.1 m (204 ft)
Bridge to stem: 72.6 m (238 ft)
Bridge to stern: 220.9 m (725 ft)
Draft
Light draft: 7.9 m (26 ft)
Loaded draft: 9.9 m (33 ft)
Freeboard: 9.1 m (30 ft)
Loaded Freeboard: 7.2 m (23.5 ft)
Displacement: 37,333 tons
Loaded Displacement: 48,923 tons

Machinery

Diesel Engines:
9 x 9 Cylinder 58/64 (580 mm bore/640 mm stroke) medium speed, running
at 400 rpm, connected to individual alternators rated at 10.5
megawatts each. Builders: MAN. Augsburg, West Germany.
Electric Motors:
2 x 350 tons, one on each propeller shaft, rated at a maximum of 44
megawatts each at 144 rpm.Boilers:
9x Exhaust Gas. 2x Oil Fired.
Output at Propellers: 2 x 44 MW.
Propellers: 2x outward turning LIPS Controllable Pitch.
Bow thrusters: 2 stone kamewa, 100 h.p. per unit 6.65' vpp.
Stabilizers: 4 Denny Brown.
Fuel consumption:
18.05 tons per hour (433 tons per day) on 9 diesels.
Rudder weight: 80 tons
Anchors
Forward: 2 at 12 1/2 tons
Cables: 2 at 4" x 12 shackles
Aft: 1 at 7 1/4 tons
Cables: 1 at 3" x 8 shackles
Tank Capacities
Fresh water: 1,852.0 tons
Diesel oil: 206.8 tons
Ballast: 4,533.0 tons
Fuel oil: 4,381.4 tons
Laundry water: 489.0 tons
Lubricating oil: 335.7 tons
Feed water: 113.8 tons

Other "City at Sea" Features

Steiners Beauty Salon
13-car garage
Hospital with complete medical services
The Greenery Florist
Kennels
Laundry facilities
Daily newspaper published onboard
13 decks
4,500 square yards of deck space
13 elevators
Micron Computer Learning Center
Micron Business Center
QE2 Spa at Sea
Health Spa on Six Deck
Fitness Center on Seven Deck
QE2 Signature Shop
Seven restaurants: Queens Grill; Princess Grill; Britannia Grill;
Caronia Restaurant; Mauretania Restaurant; The Lido and Pavilion
Royal Shopping Promenade
Eight bars
Foreign exchange bank
Tuxedo Rental Shop/Louis Feraud
20 channel television including Cable News Network
Children's playroom
Direct dial capabilities via Comsat
Email service for passengers
Financial Fax service for passengers



On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:17:24 GMT, (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

The cruise liner, QE2, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel
that it burns.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I didn't even know it was diesel powered......???


Larry W4CSC

No, no, Scotty! I said, "Beam me a wrench.", not a WENCH!
Kirk Out.....

It would seem from the following the ship goes much moe than 6 inches
on one gallon of fuel. The ship only carries a total of 4381.4 tons of
fuel oil plus another 206.8 tons of diesel. FYI, the engines start on
diesel and then can switch to heavier oil once warmed up.


QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 - Ship Facts
Ship Facts
Builder - Upper Clyde Shipbuilders, Glasgow
Launch date - 20 September 1967 Passenger accommodation - 1,750
Christened: September 20, 1967, by HRH Queen Elizabeth II
Builders: John Brown & Co. Shipyard (Clydebank) Ltd.
Keel Laid: July 4, 1965
Maiden Voyage: May 2, 1969
Port of Registry: Southampton, EnglandSignal Letters: GBTT
Official Number: 336703
Number of funnels - 1
Number of masts - 1
Construction - Steel
Propulsion - Twin screw
Engines - Nine 9-cylinder medium speed turbo-charged diesels
Service speed - 28.5 knots
Maximum Speed: 32.5 knots

Tonnage and Dimensions

Tonnage:
Gross Tonnage -- 70,327
Net Tonnage -- 37,182
Dimensions
Length Overall: 293.2 m (962 ft)
Height (keel to funnel base): 41 m (134 ft)
Width Overall: 32 m (105 ft)
Height to funnel structu 21.2 m (69.5 ft)
Bridge height of eye: 28.9 m (95 ft)
Height (keel to masthead): 62.1 m (204 ft)
Bridge to stem: 72.6 m (238 ft)
Bridge to stern: 220.9 m (725 ft)
Draft
Light draft: 7.9 m (26 ft)
Loaded draft: 9.9 m (33 ft)
Freeboard: 9.1 m (30 ft)
Loaded Freeboard: 7.2 m (23.5 ft)
Displacement: 37,333 tons
Loaded Displacement: 48,923 tons

Machinery

Diesel Engines:
9 x 9 Cylinder 58/64 (580 mm bore/640 mm stroke) medium speed, running
at 400 rpm, connected to individual alternators rated at 10.5
megawatts each. Builders: MAN. Augsburg, West Germany.
Electric Motors:
2 x 350 tons, one on each propeller shaft, rated at a maximum of 44
megawatts each at 144 rpm.Boilers:
9x Exhaust Gas. 2x Oil Fired.
Output at Propellers: 2 x 44 MW.
Propellers: 2x outward turning LIPS Controllable Pitch.
Bow thrusters: 2 stone kamewa, 100 h.p. per unit 6.65' vpp.
Stabilizers: 4 Denny Brown.
Fuel consumption:
18.05 tons per hour (433 tons per day) on 9 diesels.
Rudder weight: 80 tons
Anchors
Forward: 2 at 12 1/2 tons
Cables: 2 at 4" x 12 shackles
Aft: 1 at 7 1/4 tons
Cables: 1 at 3" x 8 shackles
Tank Capacities
Fresh water: 1,852.0 tons
Diesel oil: 206.8 tons
Ballast: 4,533.0 tons
Fuel oil: 4,381.4 tons
Laundry water: 489.0 tons
Lubricating oil: 335.7 tons
Feed water: 113.8 tons

Other "City at Sea" Features

Steiners Beauty Salon
13-car garage
Hospital with complete medical services
The Greenery Florist
Kennels
Laundry facilities
Daily newspaper published onboard
13 decks
4,500 square yards of deck space
13 elevators
Micron Computer Learning Center
Micron Business Center
QE2 Spa at Sea
Health Spa on Six Deck
Fitness Center on Seven Deck
QE2 Signature Shop
Seven restaurants: Queens Grill; Princess Grill; Britannia Grill;
Caronia Restaurant; Mauretania Restaurant; The Lido and Pavilion
Royal Shopping Promenade
Eight bars
Foreign exchange bank
Tuxedo Rental Shop/Louis Feraud
20 channel television including Cable News Network
Children's playroom
Direct dial capabilities via Comsat
Email service for passengers
Financial Fax service for passengers



On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:17:24 GMT, (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

The cruise liner, QE2, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel
that it burns.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I didn't even know it was diesel powered......???


Larry W4CSC

No, no, Scotty! I said, "Beam me a wrench.", not a WENCH!
Kirk Out.....

To answer the question, "What is the QE2 fuel comnsumption?":

[from http://www.qe2.org.uk/engine.html ]

QE2'S POWER PLANT IS DIESEL ELECTRIC, a system chosen for its inherent
reliability and flexibility. In 1986/87, in an operation costing
£100m, nine medium speed MAN L58/64 nine cylinder turbo charged diesel
engines were fitted, in place of the aging and fuel thirsty steam
plant. The diesel engines drive C.E.C. generators, and each develop
10.5 MW of electrical power at 10,000 volts. Each engine weighs
approximately 120 tons.

IN ADDITION TO SUPPLYING AUXILIARY SHIP'S SERVICE and hotel service
requirements via transformers, the electrical power generated is used
to drive the two main propulsion motors, one on each propeller shaft.
The maximum output of each motor is 44 MW giving QE2 a top speed in
excess of 32 knots. They are of synchronous salient pole construction,
are 9m diameter, and weigh over 400 tons each, representing the
largest marine motors ever built.

THE SERVICE SPEED of 28.5 knots, can be maintained using only seven
engines, thus allowing essential and routine maintenance to be carried
out whilst at sea and without affecting schedules. At this speed a 35%
fuel saving is made over the previous power plant, the fuel used being
of the same grade - IF 380 (Bunker "C"). This fuel is heated under
pressure to 140'C for injection, and is akin to road tar at room
temperature.
///
What is the total power output of QE2's engines?
95 MW: /// the power output of 3000 medium sized family cars.

What is the fuel consumption?
At the service speed of 28.5 knots, consumption is 380 tons per day:
this equates to 50 ft/gall.
************************************************** ***

Brian Whatcott Altus OK


On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 05:05:49 GMT, (Jim Hollenback)
wrote:

Larry W4CSC ) wrote:
: The cruise liner, QE2, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel
: that it burns.

I find that really, really hard to beleive. Lets see, 5280 feet per
mile, that is 10,560 gallons per mile. For a trip across the Atlantic
of, what ?, 3600 miles?, that is 38,016,000 gallons. At 6 pounds or
so per gallon, that is 114,048 *tons* of fuel. Another way to look
at it, for 38,000,000 gallons of fuel at, say $0.90 per gallon, that is
around $34,200,000 to fuel that beast. If you carry 2000 passenagers,
that is $17,000 per passenger just for the fuel. Naw, someone is
jerking your chain Larry.

: -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

: I didn't even know it was diesel powered......???

Who says you can't burn diesel in boilers?

To answer the question, "What is the QE2 fuel comnsumption?":

[from http://www.qe2.org.uk/engine.html ]

QE2'S POWER PLANT IS DIESEL ELECTRIC, a system chosen for its inherent
reliability and flexibility. In 1986/87, in an operation costing
£100m, nine medium speed MAN L58/64 nine cylinder turbo charged diesel
engines were fitted, in place of the aging and fuel thirsty steam
plant. The diesel engines drive C.E.C. generators, and each develop
10.5 MW of electrical power at 10,000 volts. Each engine weighs
approximately 120 tons.

IN ADDITION TO SUPPLYING AUXILIARY SHIP'S SERVICE and hotel service
requirements via transformers, the electrical power generated is used
to drive the two main propulsion motors, one on each propeller shaft.
The maximum output of each motor is 44 MW giving QE2 a top speed in
excess of 32 knots. They are of synchronous salient pole construction,
are 9m diameter, and weigh over 400 tons each, representing the
largest marine motors ever built.

THE SERVICE SPEED of 28.5 knots, can be maintained using only seven
engines, thus allowing essential and routine maintenance to be carried
out whilst at sea and without affecting schedules. At this speed a 35%
fuel saving is made over the previous power plant, the fuel used being
of the same grade - IF 380 (Bunker "C"). This fuel is heated under
pressure to 140'C for injection, and is akin to road tar at room
temperature.
///
What is the total power output of QE2's engines?
95 MW: /// the power output of 3000 medium sized family cars.

What is the fuel consumption?
At the service speed of 28.5 knots, consumption is 380 tons per day:
this equates to 50 ft/gall.
************************************************** ***

Brian Whatcott Altus OK


On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 05:05:49 GMT, (Jim Hollenback)
wrote:

Larry W4CSC ) wrote:
: The cruise liner, QE2, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel
: that it burns.

I find that really, really hard to beleive. Lets see, 5280 feet per
mile, that is 10,560 gallons per mile. For a trip across the Atlantic
of, what ?, 3600 miles?, that is 38,016,000 gallons. At 6 pounds or
so per gallon, that is 114,048 *tons* of fuel. Another way to look
at it, for 38,000,000 gallons of fuel at, say $0.90 per gallon, that is
around $34,200,000 to fuel that beast. If you carry 2000 passenagers,
that is $17,000 per passenger just for the fuel. Naw, someone is
jerking your chain Larry.

: -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

: I didn't even know it was diesel powered......???

Who says you can't burn diesel in boilers?

Didn't look right to me, either.....but I didn't go off trying for the
computation...(c;

How much did this cost Carly's company?.....hee hee

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 05:05:49 GMT, (Jim Hollenback)
wrote:

Larry W4CSC ) wrote:
: The cruise liner, QE2, moves only six inches for each gallon of diesel
: that it burns.

I find that really, really hard to beleive. Lets see, 5280 feet per
mile, that is 10,560 gallons per mile. For a trip across the Atlantic
of, what ?, 3600 miles?, that is 38,016,000 gallons. At 6 pounds or
so per gallon, that is 114,048 *tons* of fuel. Another way to look
at it, for 38,000,000 gallons of fuel at, say $0.90 per gallon, that is
around $34,200,000 to fuel that beast. If you carry 2000 passenagers,
that is $17,000 per passenger just for the fuel. Naw, someone is
jerking your chain Larry.

: -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

: I didn't even know it was diesel powered......???

Who says you can't burn diesel in boilers?

--
Jim Hollenback, NK6L
my opinion.


Larry W4CSC

No, no, Scotty! I said, "Beam me a wrench.", not a WENCH!
Kirk Out.....