Sailing qualifications - US
 

Larry wrote:
"Dennis Pogson" wrote in
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just curious to know if such
training and examination facilities exist in the US

Not in Charleston. They make you install a manual bilge pump if you
don't have one, but noone inspects it to see if it's there.

The qualifications to race here are to have a boat that has at least
one sail that's not ripped to shreds and some kind of tiller so you
can turn it 'round towards the start line without running over the
race committee's bouys.

When it comes to racing, I think most of us were self-taught!

I cannot recall my first race as an owner/skipper, it's too long ago, but I
do remember being scared ****less by the size of the fleet, and trying to
keep well out of the way of the 3 maxis which dominated the class 1 fleet in
those days.

I have always held that you learn more in an hour's racing than you do in a
season's cruising. Perhaps that is the way forward? No lengthy tuition
courses, just stick 'em on a racing machine and give 'em something to do,
like make the sandwiches and pass up the beer!

Dennis.

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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
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McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred
has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months.

There are some questions about McCain:

http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm


Harry has killed 30 terrorists in those few months on the front line.
McCain's claim is he was shot down and captured.



Give me a break.

Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can
pick up the slack.

Combined (or alone), they have seen more action than McCain.



Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was taken
prisoner in Iran.

She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't
afford to keep her [it] in smokes!

Just put the burka on her backwards.


If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by
socialists... you Brits would be eating
sauerkraut twice a day!

Yes, and if it wasn't for the US (FDR the socialist) half of Europe would
not have been living under Communism as a consequence of WWII.

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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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Sir Thomas of Cannondale wrote:

bs deleted


Thought there was only one Wilbur. Jeez, there might be more lurking in
the
undergrowth!

DP




He's a known troll... fir git im


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"BF" wrote in message
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of
many
years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know,
since
the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series
of
qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting
Association (Yachmaster, at various levels).

I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed
many
UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such
training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never
seems to be discussed in this NG.

Dennis.



As I understand it, the UKRYA and the ASA (American Sailing Assoc.) are
similar in that they both publish guidelines and "standardized" test for
various level of expertise. The training and testing is then conducted by
private contractors or in some cases the US Coast Guard Aux.
It is also my understanding, at least this side, that the only thing
really required to sail a pleasure craft (not for profit) is cash!



USSailing does as well, although neither USSailing nor ASA are as rigorous
as the YRA. Several programs offer YRA training in the US. It is
significantly more expensive than the regular certifications. I've
encountered lots of people who have one of the US-based programs. Many are
good or even great sailors. I've encountered several people who have the YRA
training. IMHO they are typically equal to or better sailors, especially for
the kind of conditions we find on the left coast.

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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ...
Michael Porter wrote:
If the sense of the question is "are qualifications required for
pleasure-boat operators?" then the short answer is "no". The USCG
administers tests for licenses that are required for carrying
passengers for hire, and many professional yacht skipers hold such
licenses.

Michael Porter

UK pleasure boat operators are also not required to be qualified.

I was simply interested in whether we in the UK are alone in having training and competence facilities for boaters.

For the record, the grades on offer are -

RYA Start Sailing
RYA Competent Crew
RYA Day Skipper
RYA Coastal Skipper
RYA / MCA Coastal Skipper Exam
RYA / MCA Yachtmaster Exam

This latter is divided into "Ocean shore-based" and "Ocean Passage". I believe there used to be a higher grade still for RYA Instructors, but am not sure if this is still the case.

Obviously experience and actual long passage making are essential to the granting of certificates at the "Ocean" levels.

There was a time when an old salt like me would have regarded all this qualification nonsense as just that, but it certainly can open doors if your ambitions lie in making a living out of sailing!

Dennis.




The levels are similar, at least in name, to what's offered in ASA and USSailing. Both have instructor-level certifications at various levels, which have more requirements. Being qualified in both of the US programs, I tend to agree with you that it's mostly (or can be) a bunch of nonsense, since sailing experience is much more important. However, most programs require one of the two to teach, along with a USCG license if there's an aux.


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"Phil Abuster" wrote in message
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
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McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred
has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months.

There are some questions about McCain:

http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm


Harry has killed 30 terrorists in those few months on the front line.
McCain's claim is he was shot down and captured.



Give me a break.

Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can
pick up the slack.

Combined (or alone), they have seen more action than McCain.



Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was
taken prisoner in Iran.

She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't
afford to keep her [it] in smokes!

Just put the burka on her backwards.


If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by
socialists... you Brits would be eating
sauerkraut twice a day!

Yes, and if it wasn't for the US (FDR the socialist) half of Europe would
not have been living under Communism as a consequence of WWII.


"Harry has killed 30 terrorists in those few months on the front line.
McCain's claim is he was shot down and captured."

Your kidding,, right? You are actually trying to make a comparison between
a Naval Aviator, who flew combat
missions off of an aircraft carrier to an inbred from a family who spend
their time dressing up in costumes.

Where did you come up with the 30 terrorists killed line? Did the Queen or
Prince Chuck and his girlfriend
The Horse Head tell you this?

You really need a reality check.

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"Phil Abuster" wrote in message
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
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McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred
has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months.

There are some questions about McCain:

http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm


Harry has killed 30 terrorists in those few months on the front line.
McCain's claim is he was shot down and captured.



Give me a break.

Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can
pick up the slack.

Combined (or alone), they have seen more action than McCain.



Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was
taken prisoner in Iran.

She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't
afford to keep her [it] in smokes!

Just put the burka on her backwards.


If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by
socialists... you Brits would be eating
sauerkraut twice a day!

Yes, and if it wasn't for the US (FDR the socialist) half of Europe would
not have been living under Communism as a consequence of WWII.

==================
On New Year's Eve, Harry finally got the chance to put his training into
practice as he ordered two U.S. F15 fighter jets to attack the enemy.



==



I took the time to look this up ... seems as if the inbred didn't actually
kill anyone; the US Airforce did!

While we are at it,,, why is it that the tabs in London writer about Lt
Inbred but never bother with the other

military men and women who have been all over the world serving?



Has Britain turned into France? I swear every time I see an interview with
some bloke the guy sounds like a

flamming fag/gayboy. The French are worse. If it was not for the Foreign
Legion the cheese and wine crowd

would be a total laughing stock.



What happened to European manhood?

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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
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"Phil Abuster" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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A grandson of the Queen, Pince Harry, joined the Army and has been
serving in Afghanistan, doing what he joined the Army for, and is highly
regarded as a good soldier.
However, he has had to be pulled out now because the irresponsible media
in USA have handed him to the Taliban as a prime target and this has
placed him, and his colleagues in serious danger.


I have much more respect for Harry than any of the major candidates in
the US.


McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred
has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months.

Give me a break.

Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can
pick up the slack.

Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was taken
prisoner in Iran.

She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't
afford to keep her [it] in smokes!

If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by
socialists... you Brits would be eating
sauerkraut twice a day!


What are you blathering about? You partied from the sidelines for two years
(1939-1941) and then joined up after we weakened the German Military.
You could look at it another way too... you might (slight chance) be
governed by a man who wasn't smart enough to evade capture by a rag tag
army.

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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
news:xVWxj.12$LK3.9@trndny02...

"Phil Abuster" wrote in message
...

"Edgar" wrote in message
...

A grandson of the Queen, Pince Harry, joined the Army and has been
serving in Afghanistan, doing what he joined the Army for, and is
highly regarded as a good soldier.
However, he has had to be pulled out now because the irresponsible
media in USA have handed him to the Taliban as a prime target and this
has placed him, and his colleagues in serious danger.


I have much more respect for Harry than any of the major candidates in
the US.


McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred
has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months.

Give me a break.

Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can
pick up the slack.

Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was
taken prisoner in Iran.

She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't
afford to keep her [it] in smokes!

If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by
socialists... you Brits would be eating
sauerkraut twice a day!


What are you blathering about? You partied from the sidelines for two
years (1939-1941) and then joined up after we weakened the German
Military.
You could look at it another way too... you might (slight chance) be
governed by a man who wasn't smart enough to evade capture by a rag tag
army.




The rag tag ..
On October 26, 1967, McCain was flying as part of a 20-plane attack against
a thermal power plant in central Hanoi, a heavily defended target area that
had almost always been off-limits to U.S. raids.[52][53][50] McCain's A-4E
Skyhawk had its wing blown off by a Soviet-made SA-2 anti-aircraft
missile[53] while pulling up after dropping its bombs.[54][55] McCain
fractured both arms and a leg in being hit and ejecting from his plane[56]
as it went into a vertical inverted spin.[57] He nearly drowned after he
parachuted into Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi.[52] After he regained
consciousness, a mob gathered around, spat on him, kicked him, and stripped
him of his clothes.[57] Others crushed his shoulder with the butt of a rifle
and bayoneted him in his left foot and abdominal area; he was then
transported to Hanoi's main Hoa Loa Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton" by
American POWs.[57][58]

Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to give him medical
care unless he gave them military information; they beat and interrogated
him, but McCain only offered his name, rank, serial number, and date of
birth.[57] Soon thinking he was near death, McCain said he would give them
more information if taken to the hospital, hoping he could then put them off
once he was treated.[59] A prison doctor came and said it was too late, as
McCain was about to die anyway.[57] Only when the North Vietnamese
discovered that his father was a top admiral did they give him medical
care[57] and announce his capture. At this point, two days after McCain's
plane went down, that event and his status as a POW made the front pages of
The New York Times[44] and The Washington Post.[60] Interrogation and
beatings resumed in the hospital; McCain gave his ship's name, squadron's
name, and the attack's intended target.[61] Further coerced to give the
names of his squadron members, he supplied the names of the Green Bay
Packers' offensive line.[62][61]





You actually compared the Lt Inbred to this man..

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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
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Larry,,, it amazes me that people who seem to have a brain can't see that
the government does not care one hoot
about safety. All it wants is more money. What a joke. No wonder the US
dollar is worth nothing, no wonder the
credit crisis is so overwheming, .. we are doomed. How long can the
great old USA go on it we have the likes of
Clinton, Obama, Bush, McLiberal,, and the rest of them.

About a week ago I called to ask why there is no public dock for
recreational boats in Portsmouth NH.
You would think I was a member of the Talaban. Public docks? Who are
you?

So, I ask, where is all the boat registration money going?

I'm still waiting for the answer.

And now these lemmings want to give the government more of their money for
LICENSES?

ARE YOU PEOPLE NUTS?

WAKE UP...


Sir: (note the pun!)

The good thing about boat registration/permit/fee money is that it will keep
some people off of the water. The EPA is doing its part he

http://www.baypointpress.com/article...rticleID=17358

Note the size of the fee! By paying the money the environment will be
cleaner and global warming will be delayed.