Sailing qualifications - US
 

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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Phil Abuster wrote:
"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor
of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious
to know, since
the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar
series of
qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting
Association (Yachmaster, at various levels).

I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications,
indeed many
UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if
such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the
subject never seems to be discussed in this NG.

Dennis.



You Brits have America beat hands down. Just look at some of the
training available in your country:


http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/02/...-the-martinis/

Our Coast Guard/Navy is too busy dealing with Islamophobic paranoia
and incompetent boaters. There should be strict licensing of anyone
who takes to US waters and with that licensing should be rigorous
training and qualification. Currently, licenses are passed out too
freely and the taxpayer bears the brunt of the expenses.

That's an interesting comment. In mainland Europe they seem to require
what
is laughingly called a "International Certificate of Competence" to enter
some countries. However such certificates seem all too easy to obtain, as
with your "licenses". Possession of one or other grade of the RYA
Yachtmaster qualifications would grant automatic entitlement to a
Certificate of Competence, but there seems to be an extraordinary amount
of
red tape involved in applying.

Meanwhile, boats sail in and out of the continental marinas without too
much
interference, so maybe the ICC is just another of those pieces of Brussels
legislation which is virtually impossible to police.

DP


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From what I read, witness on the tv news, the Islamo Facists will be running
the European countries soon.
Do you think those nice ignorant, cave dwelling, barbarians are going to let
you go out SAILING?

You folks are doomed, and you brought this on yourself with your stupid,
socialist, policies.

While you were driving folks out of their boats with taxes and licenses;
the barbarians have been multiplying
like oversexed rabbits. These religious freaks will soon tell you "nope,
can't go sailing, sorry, oh and now we
will cut your head off".

What is the license going to do for you then? Are you going to say "you
can't cut my head off, I have a license
to sail"?

Wake up ...

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"Dennis Pogson" wrote:

Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many
years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since
the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of
qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting
Association (Yachmaster, at various levels).

I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many
UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such
training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never
seems to be discussed in this NG.

Dennis.

There are at least 43 states that require a boat operator's license or
have similar requirements, but these are not federal requirements.
Canada also has requirements for boat operator licenses. In the US
the courses are usually run by the Coast Guard Auxiliary (volunteers
who are not actually part of the Coast Guard) or the Power Boat people
and requires the person (depending on the state) to have a certain
number of hours and pass some kind of multiple choice test. There are
on-line courses available in some states. These are obviously VERY
basic courses.

I'm not sure whether this is analogous to the Yachtmaster training -
it probably is not. Although the CGAux and the US Power Squadrons do
give additional courses beyond the basic Seamanship courses.

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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
news:SITxj.5088$my3.2252@trndny06...
NO,, we are still a FREE country. Not like your socialist ********.

ps... what the F.n is the deal with the F'n King and Queen bull****?

Are you people living in the Middle Ages..

Tell those F'n layabouts to go get an F'n job.

Well, Thomas, how about writing to the Queen and handing back your
_knighthood_ for a start?
As to the royal family getting jobs, we Brits are lucky in having someone as
Head of State who does not have to have a background of dubious dealings
with fund providers in order to get their money to support their campaign
for getting elected to office. That system involves _payback time_ for the
providers of the funds once the person is finally elected, which is why they
gave the funds in the first place.
I squirm with embarassment sometimes watching the candidates performances on
the election caucuses in USA. But, one of these people is going to end up as
President. Yet you mock the British system!

The Queen had no choice in the matter, but got the job dumped on her by
being born into her family. Thus, she had to abandon any hope of a normal
existence in order to serve her country which she has done superbly well all
her adult life..
Like all families, some of the royals are more useful than others but most
lend heir support to good causes and owe no allegiance to providers of
election funds.
A grandson of the Queen, Pince Harry, joined the Army and has been serving
in Afghanistan, doing what he joined the Army for, and is highly regarded as
a good soldier.
However, he has had to be pulled out now because the irresponsible media in
USA have handed him to the Taliban as a prime target and this has placed
him, and his colleagues in serious danger.

Sailing qualifications - US
 

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:44:02 +0000, Sir Thomas of Cannondale wrote:

a bit more stridently than usual...(sorry if an attempt at sarcasm/humour
evaded me)

calm yourself young man -whatever your age- the sky is not falling, the
cup _is_ half-full, winter is almost over...

fresh winds!

Sailing qualifications - US
 

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:54:56 +0100, Edgar wrote:

you've been trolled Edgar...Sir Tom is off his meds this am

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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in news:TXPxj.2486
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just curious to know if such
training and examination facilities exist in the US

Not in Charleston. They make you install a manual bilge pump if you don't
have one, but noone inspects it to see if it's there.

The qualifications to race here are to have a boat that has at least one
sail that's not ripped to shreds and some kind of tiller so you can turn it
'round towards the start line without running over the race committee's
bouys.

They get all excited, too, if you steer right towards the yacht club dock
with the spinnaker haulin ass...(c;

No dead crew members are allowed. Boozed up is normal.

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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message
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Here we go again :::: Licenses?
li·cense (lº"s.ns) n. 1.a. Official or legal permission to do or own a
specified thing. b. Proof of permission granted, usually in the form of a
document, card, plate, or tag.

Why are you so quick to give up your constitutional right of FREEDOM? Do
you think the license

requirement is for safety? YOu are dumber than a stump.. it is TAXATION,
pure and simple.

I understand your argument. However, the point you are missing is that the
waters of the US are in the public domain. If a stretch of water was
privately owned, then gov't meddling should be forbidden. The roads are
public conveyances and licenses are needed to drive upon them. Air pilots
needs licenses and strict testing, so do planes. Same with radio operators.
Planes can fall out of the sky and boats can sink. Why are boaters given
such latitude (pun)? Most boating accidents occur because of lack of
training and accountability. Licenses are not taxation, fees are not taxes.
Just as geese fly over state borders and can be regulated by the Feds, water
travels in the form of currents between varying jurisdictions and the feds
would do well to be the over riding authority for boaters. It's already that
way for commercial carraige operations, just extend it a bit and tighten up
the qualifications. This is simply of matter of regulation with results, the
result being weeding out the foolish and incompetent and making boating
safer and more enjoyable for those who have earned the right to operate
water vessels upon the waters of these United States. For the case of inland
waters, it is up to the individual states to regulate boaters.



Where does all the boat registration money go? Boater education? Not up
here.. it goes in the

pocket of Mr Politician, the fat asshole who gets the big fat paycheck and
the big fat retirement.

In many states it funds the recreation depts. Those depts are self funding.
Boater education is best handled privately as it is now. The only change is
the education will be mandatory and more rigorous.Right now the cost that
boaters impose is spread upon all taxpayers - especially when you consider
the cost of policing, rescues, etc. Boaters should pay their own way, also
insurance should be mandatory.







Benjamin Franklin
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security,
deserve neither liberty or security"

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"Edgar" wrote in message
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A grandson of the Queen, Pince Harry, joined the Army and has been
serving in Afghanistan, doing what he joined the Army for, and is highly
regarded as a good soldier.
However, he has had to be pulled out now because the irresponsible media
in USA have handed him to the Taliban as a prime target and this has
placed him, and his colleagues in serious danger.


I have much more respect for Harry than any of the major candidates in the
US.

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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in
news:TXPxj.2486
:

just curious to know if such
training and examination facilities exist in the US

Not in Charleston. They make you install a manual bilge pump if you don't
have one, but noone inspects it to see if it's there.

The qualifications to race here are to have a boat that has at least one
sail that's not ripped to shreds and some kind of tiller so you can turn
it
'round towards the start line without running over the race committee's
bouys.

They get all excited, too, if you steer right towards the yacht club dock
with the spinnaker haulin ass...(c;

No dead crew members are allowed. Boozed up is normal.


Larry,,, it amazes me that people who seem to have a brain can't see that
the government does not care one hoot
about safety. All it wants is more money. What a joke. No wonder the US
dollar is worth nothing, no wonder the
credit crisis is so overwheming, .. we are doomed. How long can the great
old USA go on it we have the likes of
Clinton, Obama, Bush, McLiberal,, and the rest of them.

About a week ago I called to ask why there is no public dock for
recreational boats in Portsmouth NH.
You would think I was a member of the Talaban. Public docks? Who are you?

So, I ask, where is all the boat registration money going?

I'm still waiting for the answer.

And now these lemmings want to give the government more of their money for
LICENSES?

ARE YOU PEOPLE NUTS?

WAKE UP...

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"Phil Abuster" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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A grandson of the Queen, Pince Harry, joined the Army and has been
serving in Afghanistan, doing what he joined the Army for, and is highly
regarded as a good soldier.
However, he has had to be pulled out now because the irresponsible media
in USA have handed him to the Taliban as a prime target and this has
placed him, and his colleagues in serious danger.


I have much more respect for Harry than any of the major candidates in the
US.


McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred has
been in Afghanistan for a couple of months.

Give me a break.

Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can
pick up the slack.

Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was taken
prisoner in Iran.

She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't
afford to keep her [it] in smokes!

If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by
socialists... you Brits would be eating
sauerkraut twice a day!