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Sailing qualifications - US
Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many
years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. |
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NO,, we are still a FREE country. Not like your socialist ********.
ps... what the F.n is the deal with the F'n King and Queen bull****? Are you people living in the Middle Ages.. Tell those F'n layabouts to go get an F'n job. == "Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ... Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. |
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Sir Thomas of Cannondale wrote:
NO,, we are still a FREE country. Not like your socialist ********. ps... what the F.n is the deal with the F'n King and Queen bull****? Are you people living in the Middle Ages.. Tell those F'n layabouts to go get an F'n job. Thought there was only one Wilbur. Jeez, there might be more lurking in the undergrowth! DP |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
... Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. As I understand it, the UKRYA and the ASA (American Sailing Assoc.) are similar in that they both publish guidelines and "standardized" test for various level of expertise. The training and testing is then conducted by private contractors or in some cases the US Coast Guard Aux. It is also my understanding, at least this side, that the only thing really required to sail a pleasure craft (not for profit) is cash! |
Sailing qualifications - US
"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ... Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. You Brits have America beat hands down. Just look at some of the training available in your country: http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/02/...-the-martinis/ Our Coast Guard/Navy is too busy dealing with Islamophobic paranoia and incompetent boaters. There should be strict licensing of anyone who takes to US waters and with that licensing should be rigorous training and qualification. Currently, licenses are passed out too freely and the taxpayer bears the brunt of the expenses. |
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BF wrote:
"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ... Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. As I understand it, the UKRYA and the ASA (American Sailing Assoc.) are similar in that they both publish guidelines and "standardized" test for various level of expertise. The training and testing is then conducted by private contractors or in some cases the US Coast Guard Aux. It is also my understanding, at least this side, that the only thing really required to sail a pleasure craft (not for profit) is cash! I used to think that too, but most of the crews who sail with the big boat owners seem to have very little of that commodity, but they still enjoy the sailing! DP |
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If the sense of the question is "are qualifications required for
pleasure-boat operators?" then the short answer is "no". The USCG administers tests for licenses that are required for carrying passengers for hire, and many professional yacht skipers hold such licenses. Michael Porter "Dennis Pogson" wrote: Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. Michael Porter Marine Design mporter at mp-marine dot com www.mp-marine.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Phil Abuster wrote:
"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ... Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. You Brits have America beat hands down. Just look at some of the training available in your country: http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/02/...-the-martinis/ Our Coast Guard/Navy is too busy dealing with Islamophobic paranoia and incompetent boaters. There should be strict licensing of anyone who takes to US waters and with that licensing should be rigorous training and qualification. Currently, licenses are passed out too freely and the taxpayer bears the brunt of the expenses. That's an interesting comment. In mainland Europe they seem to require what is laughingly called a "International Certificate of Competence" to enter some countries. However such certificates seem all too easy to obtain, as with your "licenses". Possession of one or other grade of the RYA Yachtmaster qualifications would grant automatic entitlement to a Certificate of Competence, but there seems to be an extraordinary amount of red tape involved in applying. Meanwhile, boats sail in and out of the continental marinas without too much interference, so maybe the ICC is just another of those pieces of Brussels legislation which is virtually impossible to police. DP |
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"Phil Abuster" wrote in message ... "Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ... Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. You Brits have America beat hands down. Just look at some of the training available in your country: http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/02/...-the-martinis/ Our Coast Guard/Navy is too busy dealing with Islamophobic paranoia and incompetent boaters. There should be strict licensing of anyone who takes to US waters and with that licensing should be rigorous training and qualification. Currently, licenses are passed out too freely and the taxpayer bears the brunt of the expenses. ========================= Here we go again :::: Licenses? li·cense (lº"s.ns) n. 1.a. Official or legal permission to do or own a specified thing. b. Proof of permission granted, usually in the form of a document, card, plate, or tag. Why are you so quick to give up your constitutional right of FREEDOM? Do you think the license requirement is for safety? YOu are dumber than a stump.. it is TAXATION, pure and simple. Where does all the boat registration money go? Boater education? Not up here.. it goes in the pocket of Mr Politician, the fat asshole who gets the big fat paycheck and the big fat retirement. Benjamin Franklin "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" |
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Michael Porter wrote:
If the sense of the question is "are qualifications required for pleasure-boat operators?" then the short answer is "no". The USCG administers tests for licenses that are required for carrying passengers for hire, and many professional yacht skipers hold such licenses. Michael Porter UK pleasure boat operators are also not required to be qualified. I was simply interested in whether we in the UK are alone in having training and competence facilities for boaters. For the record, the grades on offer are - RYA Start Sailing RYA Competent Crew RYA Day Skipper RYA Coastal Skipper RYA / MCA Coastal Skipper Exam RYA / MCA Yachtmaster Exam This latter is divided into "Ocean shore-based" and "Ocean Passage". I believe there used to be a higher grade still for RYA Instructors, but am not sure if this is still the case. Obviously experience and actual long passage making are essential to the granting of certificates at the "Ocean" levels. There was a time when an old salt like me would have regarded all this qualification nonsense as just that, but it certainly can open doors if your ambitions lie in making a living out of sailing! Dennis. |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ... Phil Abuster wrote: "Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ... Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. You Brits have America beat hands down. Just look at some of the training available in your country: http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/02/...-the-martinis/ Our Coast Guard/Navy is too busy dealing with Islamophobic paranoia and incompetent boaters. There should be strict licensing of anyone who takes to US waters and with that licensing should be rigorous training and qualification. Currently, licenses are passed out too freely and the taxpayer bears the brunt of the expenses. That's an interesting comment. In mainland Europe they seem to require what is laughingly called a "International Certificate of Competence" to enter some countries. However such certificates seem all too easy to obtain, as with your "licenses". Possession of one or other grade of the RYA Yachtmaster qualifications would grant automatic entitlement to a Certificate of Competence, but there seems to be an extraordinary amount of red tape involved in applying. Meanwhile, boats sail in and out of the continental marinas without too much interference, so maybe the ICC is just another of those pieces of Brussels legislation which is virtually impossible to police. DP ====================== From what I read, witness on the tv news, the Islamo Facists will be running the European countries soon. Do you think those nice ignorant, cave dwelling, barbarians are going to let you go out SAILING? You folks are doomed, and you brought this on yourself with your stupid, socialist, policies. While you were driving folks out of their boats with taxes and licenses; the barbarians have been multiplying like oversexed rabbits. These religious freaks will soon tell you "nope, can't go sailing, sorry, oh and now we will cut your head off". What is the license going to do for you then? Are you going to say "you can't cut my head off, I have a license to sail"? Wake up ... |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. There are at least 43 states that require a boat operator's license or have similar requirements, but these are not federal requirements. Canada also has requirements for boat operator licenses. In the US the courses are usually run by the Coast Guard Auxiliary (volunteers who are not actually part of the Coast Guard) or the Power Boat people and requires the person (depending on the state) to have a certain number of hours and pass some kind of multiple choice test. There are on-line courses available in some states. These are obviously VERY basic courses. I'm not sure whether this is analogous to the Yachtmaster training - it probably is not. Although the CGAux and the US Power Squadrons do give additional courses beyond the basic Seamanship courses. |
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message news:SITxj.5088$my3.2252@trndny06... NO,, we are still a FREE country. Not like your socialist ********. ps... what the F.n is the deal with the F'n King and Queen bull****? Are you people living in the Middle Ages.. Tell those F'n layabouts to go get an F'n job. Well, Thomas, how about writing to the Queen and handing back your _knighthood_ for a start? As to the royal family getting jobs, we Brits are lucky in having someone as Head of State who does not have to have a background of dubious dealings with fund providers in order to get their money to support their campaign for getting elected to office. That system involves _payback time_ for the providers of the funds once the person is finally elected, which is why they gave the funds in the first place. I squirm with embarassment sometimes watching the candidates performances on the election caucuses in USA. But, one of these people is going to end up as President. Yet you mock the British system! The Queen had no choice in the matter, but got the job dumped on her by being born into her family. Thus, she had to abandon any hope of a normal existence in order to serve her country which she has done superbly well all her adult life.. Like all families, some of the royals are more useful than others but most lend heir support to good causes and owe no allegiance to providers of election funds. A grandson of the Queen, Pince Harry, joined the Army and has been serving in Afghanistan, doing what he joined the Army for, and is highly regarded as a good soldier. However, he has had to be pulled out now because the irresponsible media in USA have handed him to the Taliban as a prime target and this has placed him, and his colleagues in serious danger. |
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:44:02 +0000, Sir Thomas of Cannondale wrote:
a bit more stridently than usual...(sorry if an attempt at sarcasm/humour evaded me) calm yourself young man -whatever your age- the sky is not falling, the cup _is_ half-full, winter is almost over... fresh winds! |
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:54:56 +0100, Edgar wrote:
you've been trolled Edgar...Sir Tom is off his meds this am |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in news:TXPxj.2486
: just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US Not in Charleston. They make you install a manual bilge pump if you don't have one, but noone inspects it to see if it's there. The qualifications to race here are to have a boat that has at least one sail that's not ripped to shreds and some kind of tiller so you can turn it 'round towards the start line without running over the race committee's bouys. They get all excited, too, if you steer right towards the yacht club dock with the spinnaker haulin ass...(c; No dead crew members are allowed. Boozed up is normal. |
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message news:6GUxj.2$Td2.0@trndny08... ========================= Here we go again :::: Licenses? li·cense (lº"s.ns) n. 1.a. Official or legal permission to do or own a specified thing. b. Proof of permission granted, usually in the form of a document, card, plate, or tag. Why are you so quick to give up your constitutional right of FREEDOM? Do you think the license requirement is for safety? YOu are dumber than a stump.. it is TAXATION, pure and simple. I understand your argument. However, the point you are missing is that the waters of the US are in the public domain. If a stretch of water was privately owned, then gov't meddling should be forbidden. The roads are public conveyances and licenses are needed to drive upon them. Air pilots needs licenses and strict testing, so do planes. Same with radio operators. Planes can fall out of the sky and boats can sink. Why are boaters given such latitude (pun)? Most boating accidents occur because of lack of training and accountability. Licenses are not taxation, fees are not taxes. Just as geese fly over state borders and can be regulated by the Feds, water travels in the form of currents between varying jurisdictions and the feds would do well to be the over riding authority for boaters. It's already that way for commercial carraige operations, just extend it a bit and tighten up the qualifications. This is simply of matter of regulation with results, the result being weeding out the foolish and incompetent and making boating safer and more enjoyable for those who have earned the right to operate water vessels upon the waters of these United States. For the case of inland waters, it is up to the individual states to regulate boaters. Where does all the boat registration money go? Boater education? Not up here.. it goes in the pocket of Mr Politician, the fat asshole who gets the big fat paycheck and the big fat retirement. In many states it funds the recreation depts. Those depts are self funding. Boater education is best handled privately as it is now. The only change is the education will be mandatory and more rigorous.Right now the cost that boaters impose is spread upon all taxpayers - especially when you consider the cost of policing, rescues, etc. Boaters should pay their own way, also insurance should be mandatory. Benjamin Franklin "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" |
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"Edgar" wrote in message ... A grandson of the Queen, Pince Harry, joined the Army and has been serving in Afghanistan, doing what he joined the Army for, and is highly regarded as a good soldier. However, he has had to be pulled out now because the irresponsible media in USA have handed him to the Taliban as a prime target and this has placed him, and his colleagues in serious danger. I have much more respect for Harry than any of the major candidates in the US. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "Dennis Pogson" wrote in news:TXPxj.2486 : just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US Not in Charleston. They make you install a manual bilge pump if you don't have one, but noone inspects it to see if it's there. The qualifications to race here are to have a boat that has at least one sail that's not ripped to shreds and some kind of tiller so you can turn it 'round towards the start line without running over the race committee's bouys. They get all excited, too, if you steer right towards the yacht club dock with the spinnaker haulin ass...(c; No dead crew members are allowed. Boozed up is normal. Larry,,, it amazes me that people who seem to have a brain can't see that the government does not care one hoot about safety. All it wants is more money. What a joke. No wonder the US dollar is worth nothing, no wonder the credit crisis is so overwheming, .. we are doomed. How long can the great old USA go on it we have the likes of Clinton, Obama, Bush, McLiberal,, and the rest of them. About a week ago I called to ask why there is no public dock for recreational boats in Portsmouth NH. You would think I was a member of the Talaban. Public docks? Who are you? So, I ask, where is all the boat registration money going? I'm still waiting for the answer. And now these lemmings want to give the government more of their money for LICENSES? ARE YOU PEOPLE NUTS? WAKE UP... |
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"Phil Abuster" wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote in message ... A grandson of the Queen, Pince Harry, joined the Army and has been serving in Afghanistan, doing what he joined the Army for, and is highly regarded as a good soldier. However, he has had to be pulled out now because the irresponsible media in USA have handed him to the Taliban as a prime target and this has placed him, and his colleagues in serious danger. I have much more respect for Harry than any of the major candidates in the US. McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months. Give me a break. Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can pick up the slack. Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was taken prisoner in Iran. She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't afford to keep her [it] in smokes! If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by socialists... you Brits would be eating sauerkraut twice a day! |
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Larry wrote:
"Dennis Pogson" wrote in news:TXPxj.2486 : just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US Not in Charleston. They make you install a manual bilge pump if you don't have one, but noone inspects it to see if it's there. The qualifications to race here are to have a boat that has at least one sail that's not ripped to shreds and some kind of tiller so you can turn it 'round towards the start line without running over the race committee's bouys. When it comes to racing, I think most of us were self-taught! I cannot recall my first race as an owner/skipper, it's too long ago, but I do remember being scared ****less by the size of the fleet, and trying to keep well out of the way of the 3 maxis which dominated the class 1 fleet in those days. I have always held that you learn more in an hour's racing than you do in a season's cruising. Perhaps that is the way forward? No lengthy tuition courses, just stick 'em on a racing machine and give 'em something to do, like make the sandwiches and pass up the beer! Dennis. |
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message news:xVWxj.12$LK3.9@trndny02... McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months. There are some questions about McCain: http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm Harry has killed 30 terrorists in those few months on the front line. McCain's claim is he was shot down and captured. Give me a break. Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can pick up the slack. Combined (or alone), they have seen more action than McCain. Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was taken prisoner in Iran. She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't afford to keep her [it] in smokes! Just put the burka on her backwards. If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by socialists... you Brits would be eating sauerkraut twice a day! Yes, and if it wasn't for the US (FDR the socialist) half of Europe would not have been living under Communism as a consequence of WWII. |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
... Sir Thomas of Cannondale wrote: bs deleted Thought there was only one Wilbur. Jeez, there might be more lurking in the undergrowth! DP He's a known troll... fir git im -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"BF" wrote in message
... "Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ... Please excuse my ignorance in posing this question. As a UK sailor of many years experience in racing and cruising yachts, I am curious to know, since the subject rarely turns up, whether our US cousins have a similar series of qualifications to those administered in the UK by the Royal Yachting Association (Yachmaster, at various levels). I am not extolling the virtues of such "official"qualifications, indeed many UK sailors think they are less than useful, just curious to know if such training and examination facilities exist in the US, as the subject never seems to be discussed in this NG. Dennis. As I understand it, the UKRYA and the ASA (American Sailing Assoc.) are similar in that they both publish guidelines and "standardized" test for various level of expertise. The training and testing is then conducted by private contractors or in some cases the US Coast Guard Aux. It is also my understanding, at least this side, that the only thing really required to sail a pleasure craft (not for profit) is cash! USSailing does as well, although neither USSailing nor ASA are as rigorous as the YRA. Several programs offer YRA training in the US. It is significantly more expensive than the regular certifications. I've encountered lots of people who have one of the US-based programs. Many are good or even great sailors. I've encountered several people who have the YRA training. IMHO they are typically equal to or better sailors, especially for the kind of conditions we find on the left coast. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ...
Michael Porter wrote: If the sense of the question is "are qualifications required for pleasure-boat operators?" then the short answer is "no". The USCG administers tests for licenses that are required for carrying passengers for hire, and many professional yacht skipers hold such licenses. Michael Porter UK pleasure boat operators are also not required to be qualified. I was simply interested in whether we in the UK are alone in having training and competence facilities for boaters. For the record, the grades on offer are - RYA Start Sailing RYA Competent Crew RYA Day Skipper RYA Coastal Skipper RYA / MCA Coastal Skipper Exam RYA / MCA Yachtmaster Exam This latter is divided into "Ocean shore-based" and "Ocean Passage". I believe there used to be a higher grade still for RYA Instructors, but am not sure if this is still the case. Obviously experience and actual long passage making are essential to the granting of certificates at the "Ocean" levels. There was a time when an old salt like me would have regarded all this qualification nonsense as just that, but it certainly can open doors if your ambitions lie in making a living out of sailing! Dennis. The levels are similar, at least in name, to what's offered in ASA and USSailing. Both have instructor-level certifications at various levels, which have more requirements. Being qualified in both of the US programs, I tend to agree with you that it's mostly (or can be) a bunch of nonsense, since sailing experience is much more important. However, most programs require one of the two to teach, along with a USCG license if there's an aux. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Phil Abuster" wrote in message ... "Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message news:xVWxj.12$LK3.9@trndny02... McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months. There are some questions about McCain: http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm Harry has killed 30 terrorists in those few months on the front line. McCain's claim is he was shot down and captured. Give me a break. Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can pick up the slack. Combined (or alone), they have seen more action than McCain. Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was taken prisoner in Iran. She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't afford to keep her [it] in smokes! Just put the burka on her backwards. If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by socialists... you Brits would be eating sauerkraut twice a day! Yes, and if it wasn't for the US (FDR the socialist) half of Europe would not have been living under Communism as a consequence of WWII. "Harry has killed 30 terrorists in those few months on the front line. McCain's claim is he was shot down and captured." Your kidding,, right? You are actually trying to make a comparison between a Naval Aviator, who flew combat missions off of an aircraft carrier to an inbred from a family who spend their time dressing up in costumes. Where did you come up with the 30 terrorists killed line? Did the Queen or Prince Chuck and his girlfriend The Horse Head tell you this? You really need a reality check. |
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"Phil Abuster" wrote in message ... "Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message news:xVWxj.12$LK3.9@trndny02... McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months. There are some questions about McCain: http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm Harry has killed 30 terrorists in those few months on the front line. McCain's claim is he was shot down and captured. Give me a break. Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can pick up the slack. Combined (or alone), they have seen more action than McCain. Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was taken prisoner in Iran. She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't afford to keep her [it] in smokes! Just put the burka on her backwards. If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by socialists... you Brits would be eating sauerkraut twice a day! Yes, and if it wasn't for the US (FDR the socialist) half of Europe would not have been living under Communism as a consequence of WWII. ================== On New Year's Eve, Harry finally got the chance to put his training into practice as he ordered two U.S. F15 fighter jets to attack the enemy. == I took the time to look this up ... seems as if the inbred didn't actually kill anyone; the US Airforce did! While we are at it,,, why is it that the tabs in London writer about Lt Inbred but never bother with the other military men and women who have been all over the world serving? Has Britain turned into France? I swear every time I see an interview with some bloke the guy sounds like a flamming fag/gayboy. The French are worse. If it was not for the Foreign Legion the cheese and wine crowd would be a total laughing stock. What happened to European manhood? |
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message news:xVWxj.12$LK3.9@trndny02... "Phil Abuster" wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote in message ... A grandson of the Queen, Pince Harry, joined the Army and has been serving in Afghanistan, doing what he joined the Army for, and is highly regarded as a good soldier. However, he has had to be pulled out now because the irresponsible media in USA have handed him to the Taliban as a prime target and this has placed him, and his colleagues in serious danger. I have much more respect for Harry than any of the major candidates in the US. McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months. Give me a break. Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can pick up the slack. Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was taken prisoner in Iran. She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't afford to keep her [it] in smokes! If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by socialists... you Brits would be eating sauerkraut twice a day! What are you blathering about? You partied from the sidelines for two years (1939-1941) and then joined up after we weakened the German Military. You could look at it another way too... you might (slight chance) be governed by a man who wasn't smart enough to evade capture by a rag tag army. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message news:xVWxj.12$LK3.9@trndny02... "Phil Abuster" wrote in message ... "Edgar" wrote in message ... A grandson of the Queen, Pince Harry, joined the Army and has been serving in Afghanistan, doing what he joined the Army for, and is highly regarded as a good soldier. However, he has had to be pulled out now because the irresponsible media in USA have handed him to the Taliban as a prime target and this has placed him, and his colleagues in serious danger. I have much more respect for Harry than any of the major candidates in the US. McCain ,, he was a prisoner of war for 6 F'n years! Your little inbred has been in Afghanistan for a couple of months. Give me a break. Besides, the other five guys and girls that make up the British Army can pick up the slack. Whatever happened to the cigarette smoking sailor? The one that was taken prisoner in Iran. She was so ugly that even the Iranians didn't want her. They couldn't afford to keep her [it] in smokes! If it was't for the US, the former US, the one before it was ruined by socialists... you Brits would be eating sauerkraut twice a day! What are you blathering about? You partied from the sidelines for two years (1939-1941) and then joined up after we weakened the German Military. You could look at it another way too... you might (slight chance) be governed by a man who wasn't smart enough to evade capture by a rag tag army. The rag tag .. On October 26, 1967, McCain was flying as part of a 20-plane attack against a thermal power plant in central Hanoi, a heavily defended target area that had almost always been off-limits to U.S. raids.[52][53][50] McCain's A-4E Skyhawk had its wing blown off by a Soviet-made SA-2 anti-aircraft missile[53] while pulling up after dropping its bombs.[54][55] McCain fractured both arms and a leg in being hit and ejecting from his plane[56] as it went into a vertical inverted spin.[57] He nearly drowned after he parachuted into Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi.[52] After he regained consciousness, a mob gathered around, spat on him, kicked him, and stripped him of his clothes.[57] Others crushed his shoulder with the butt of a rifle and bayoneted him in his left foot and abdominal area; he was then transported to Hanoi's main Hoa Loa Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton" by American POWs.[57][58] Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to give him medical care unless he gave them military information; they beat and interrogated him, but McCain only offered his name, rank, serial number, and date of birth.[57] Soon thinking he was near death, McCain said he would give them more information if taken to the hospital, hoping he could then put them off once he was treated.[59] A prison doctor came and said it was too late, as McCain was about to die anyway.[57] Only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral did they give him medical care[57] and announce his capture. At this point, two days after McCain's plane went down, that event and his status as a POW made the front pages of The New York Times[44] and The Washington Post.[60] Interrogation and beatings resumed in the hospital; McCain gave his ship's name, squadron's name, and the attack's intended target.[61] Further coerced to give the names of his squadron members, he supplied the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line.[62][61] You actually compared the Lt Inbred to this man.. |
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message news:wNWxj.11$4D2.2@trndny06... Larry,,, it amazes me that people who seem to have a brain can't see that the government does not care one hoot about safety. All it wants is more money. What a joke. No wonder the US dollar is worth nothing, no wonder the credit crisis is so overwheming, .. we are doomed. How long can the great old USA go on it we have the likes of Clinton, Obama, Bush, McLiberal,, and the rest of them. About a week ago I called to ask why there is no public dock for recreational boats in Portsmouth NH. You would think I was a member of the Talaban. Public docks? Who are you? So, I ask, where is all the boat registration money going? I'm still waiting for the answer. And now these lemmings want to give the government more of their money for LICENSES? ARE YOU PEOPLE NUTS? WAKE UP... Sir: (note the pun!) The good thing about boat registration/permit/fee money is that it will keep some people off of the water. The EPA is doing its part he http://www.baypointpress.com/article...rticleID=17358 Note the size of the fee! By paying the money the environment will be cleaner and global warming will be delayed. |
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"Phil Abuster" wrote in message ... "Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in message news:wNWxj.11$4D2.2@trndny06... Larry,,, it amazes me that people who seem to have a brain can't see that the government does not care one hoot about safety. All it wants is more money. What a joke. No wonder the US dollar is worth nothing, no wonder the credit crisis is so overwheming, .. we are doomed. How long can the great old USA go on it we have the likes of Clinton, Obama, Bush, McLiberal,, and the rest of them. About a week ago I called to ask why there is no public dock for recreational boats in Portsmouth NH. You would think I was a member of the Talaban. Public docks? Who are you? So, I ask, where is all the boat registration money going? I'm still waiting for the answer. And now these lemmings want to give the government more of their money for LICENSES? ARE YOU PEOPLE NUTS? WAKE UP... Sir: (note the pun!) The good thing about boat registration/permit/fee money is that it will keep some people off of the water. The EPA is doing its part he http://www.baypointpress.com/article...rticleID=17358 Note the size of the fee! By paying the money the environment will be cleaner and global warming will be delayed. What Global Warming? Are you totally out of your mind? There is no global warming. So really need reprogramming. YOu don't get it .. do you? The rich guy wants you to pay or get off the water .. he doesn't care he is rich. Do you think Ted Kennedy cares about his boat registration? Every time he takes a breath, the earth is warmed. The EPA is a fraud. It goes after recreational sailboat owners but does not touch big power plants. REally .. wake up.. before it is too late. |
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" wrote in
news:wNWxj.11$4D2.2@trndny06: About a week ago I called to ask why there is no public dock for recreational boats in Portsmouth NH. You would think I was a member of the Talaban. Public docks? Who are you? There's three boatramps with nice floating docks, big parking lots for the trailers and picnic areas for the family within 6 miles of my house, here. There are more all over Charleston, Berkeley and Dorchester counties we use. Some are run by the parks and recreations departments, some are run by the power company up on the lakes, all are free for everyone que'd up and laughing uproariously as the idiots in front of them try to back the trailer straight down one of the multi-lane ramps....(c; Sorry New Hampshire doesn't have them. Our gripe here is the parks people try to make this beautiful landscaped park out of our boatramps. This reduces the number of paved parking spots, so on a busy Saturday morning there's trailers parked all over the grass by the time the fishermen are on their way to the big ones. There's never enough parking or ramps in any community with this many boat dealers and boaters....(c; |
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"Phil Abuster" wrote in news:1m6bs2.ijn.17.1
@news.alt.net: global warming will be delayed. Not a second. Global warming is caused by SOLAR ACTIVITY, not humans.... There's a new "Sun Scam" out now to try to squeeze more funding out of the government treasuries. Look around for the new "Solar Dimming" buzzword. Our fossil fuel burning is now dimming the sun and REDUCING the global warming. This is one scam I think is real. From WW2 to 1975, the Earth's temperature was DROPPING, then it started to rise after 1975.....EXACTLY AT THE TIME WE PUT POLLUTION CONTROL CRAP ON ALL THE CARS AND INDUSTRY! If we took off all the pollution controls and went back to what we were doing in 1955, solar dimming would stop global warming! It only stands to reason, but not what the Global Dimmers had in mind...(c; Oh, and there's a MOUNTAIN of evidence that the CO2 content of the air rises and falls as the temperature rises and falls for the last few million years (6000 for you Christians). HOWEVER, as the graphs show, CO2 levels rise AFTER the temperature rises and falls AFTER the temperature drops...by about 100-300 years...LAGGING, not preceeding, the temperature. Why? The rising temperature causes the ocean to BLOOM WITH LIFE that emits CO2 and water RELEASES vast CO2 when it's WARMER. The opposite is true when it gets cold...The ocean dies off, CO2 production drops and the water holds the CO2 much better when its cold...nearly 100% when it's FROZEN! But, alas, these FACTS don't produce GOVERNMENT FUNDING for the global warming bureaucracy.... If there's no man-caused disaster....noone gets rich. |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in
: I have always held that you learn more in an hour's racing than you do in a season's cruising. I think that would depend a lot on how big the SEAS are when you're cruising. You learn a lot as the waves get bigger than you are...fast! |
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On Feb 29, 7:13 am, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote: ... I have always held that you learn more in an hour's racing than you do in a season's cruising. ... But, what you learn isn't all that helpful in cruising... I grew up racing on boats. My folks stowed me aboard our old IOD while racing within weeks of my birth (or so I'm told). I love to race and I cherish the time I've spend racing. But, when I took up full time cruising I came to realize that while sail trim and boat handling are useful they aren't critical and they are only a tiny part of what a competent cruiser needs to know. Actually, unlearning to race has proven one of the biggest challenges to cruising for me. -- Tom. |
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:50:01 +0000, Larry wrote:
Look around for the new "Solar Dimming" buzzword. Ok.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4171591.stm |
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:50:01 +0000, Larry wrote: Look around for the new "Solar Dimming" buzzword. Ok.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4171591.stm I have noticed that "global warming" as a phrase is no longer used here n the UK. They now refer to it as "climate change". Covers a multitude of sins! Dennis. |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 29, 7:13 am, "Dennis Pogson" wrote: ... I have always held that you learn more in an hour's racing than you do in a season's cruising. ... But, what you learn isn't all that helpful in cruising... I grew up racing on boats. My folks stowed me aboard our old IOD while racing within weeks of my birth (or so I'm told). I love to race and I cherish the time I've spend racing. But, when I took up full time cruising I came to realize that while sail trim and boat handling are useful they aren't critical and they are only a tiny part of what a competent cruiser needs to know. Actually, unlearning to race has proven one of the biggest challenges to cruising for me. -- Tom. Sure, I wasn't implying that full-time cruisers don't no how to sail. There are lots of aspects to cruising that you don't learn while racing. I think back to when I started racing and I guess it was being amongst very experienced older guys that taught me most of the tricks, not just the racing scene per se. Cruising sailors probably don't get the opportunity to enjoy such an intense learning experience, but acquire knowledge over a longer period of time. Fact is, we are all still learning, even at 76! I don't remember going for a sail when I didn't pick up at least one new idea! Long may it continue. Dennis. |
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On Mar 1, 4:36 am,
tsmw...@mail wrote in message ......... I love to race and I cherish the time I've spend racing. But, when I took up full time cruising I came to realize that while sail trim and boat handling are useful they aren't critical and they are only a tiny part of what a competent cruiser needs to know. Actually, unlearning to race has proven one of the biggest challenges to cruising for me. What do you "unlearn"? For some racing sailors, it's difficult to relax while cruising but my observations seem to indicate that it's a personality issue, those individuals find it difficult to relax *any*where. "Dennis Pogson" wrote: Sure, I wasn't implying that full-time cruisers don't no how to sail. I will not only imply it, I will say it outright! Most "cruising-only" sailors don't know how to sail as well as most racing sailors; just watch the two sets of skippers dock their boats; watch them sail in challenging weather; watch them observe conditions/weather around them and plan their response & actions. There are some skills in cruising that are not needed in racing, but anyone who thinks racing doesn't develop a full set of seamanship skills has simply not payed attention. I could go further but this is enough inflammatory material for now. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... "Dennis Pogson" wrote I have noticed that "global warming" as a phrase is no longer used here n the UK. They now refer to it as "climate change". Covers a multitude of sins! And for very good reason. I encounter a lot of physical oceanographers in my business. They say that the Gulf Stream is driven by dense water in the arctic sinking, running along the bottom and rising in the tropics pushing the warm water north. Fresh water is less dense. Is the ice melts, there is less to drive the stream and some think it could shut down over a period of time measured in just a few years or even months. There is evidence of this happening in the past. The effect would be to move Europe, and particularly England, hundreds of miles north climate wise. Think of a nation needing to adapt to such a change so quickly. There is a reason why the UK is way out ahead of the US on this issue. Token on topic comment: It will also take longer for transatlantic sailors to get to England but may be a bit easier cruising to Bermuda. It is also believed by some climatologists that ice ages are actually global warming events. The average temperature is higher but the distribution more extreme. -- Roger Long Roger, hasn't all this happened before? Didn't England go through a period refered to as the little ice age? And what about the Norsemen and Iceland and "Greenland"? I am totally against polution, and will support those against that .. but this global warming thing is political. Let's face it .. :: birth control? Like, less people .. that would be a good start but oh nooooo,, the pols don't want that. |
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