On Feb 29, 2:26*pm, "Sal's Dad" Sals...@nospam--betts-hyphen-
orourke.net wrote:
Skip, I too have followed your adventures - and have always wondered -

Did nobody warn you, of the bad luck that comes with saying "Pig" while on a
boat?

The name of your boat is, well, asking for it.

Sal's Dad

I never heard of this.

There are 35 documented boats names with PIG - does include three
Pigeons and a TroPiGal

Vessel Name Built Service Home Port Length Doc. No.
1. BIG PIG 1979 Passenger (Uninspected) Carolina Beach 28.8
615366
2. BLUE PIGEON 1974 Recreational Marion 38 573477
3. BLUE PIGEON 1961 Recreational Newport Ri 39.7 1097157
4. BLUE PIGEON TOO 1989 Recreational Jamestown 52.7 1133574
5. C PIG Recreational Topsail Beach 35.8 1164623
6. FLYIN' PIGS Recreational San Diego 36 1053402
7. FLYING PIG 1978 Recreational St Thomas 45 992056
8. FLYING PIG Recreational San Rafael 29.9 1130605
9. FOUR LITTLE PIGS 1994 Recreational Ft Worth Tx 34 1031664
10. MADAME PIG 1984 Recreational Libertyville, Il 34 675865
11. MISS PIGGY 1982 Unclassified Burlington, Vt 40 648280
12. MISS PIGGY Recreational Freemont 31 667367
13. MISS PIGGY Recreational Verplanck 62 914896
14. MISS PIGGY 1996 Recreational Seaford 40 1097289
15. MISS PIGGY 2002 Recreational Chester 23.8 1138660
16. MISS PIGGY 2 Recreational Inver Grove Heights 33 1159782
17. MISS PIGGYS PLAY PEN VII 2004 Recreational Atlantis 47.7
1161211
18. PIG PEN 1990 Recreational Annapolis Md 34.4 976201
19. PIG PEN 2000 Recreational Punta Gorda Fl 35 1101865
20. PIG RIG 2004 Recreational Topsail Beach 60.4 1158099
21. PIG STY 1999 Recreational Royal Ar 78 1080947
22. PIG TALES 1990 Recreational Ventura 34.4 967006
23. PIGEON TOES IV 1989 Recreational Solomons 44.2 954521
24. PIGGY BANK 1994 Recreational Smithfield 54 1024312
25. PIGGY BANK Recreational St Louis 33 1122899
26. PIGGY BANK III 2000 Recreational Dana Point 33.8 1105975
27. PIGGYBACK 2000 Recreational Carson City 78.2 1101803
28. PIGLET 1988 Recreational Boxboro 35 928634
29. PIGLET Recreational St Louis 33.7 971000
30. PIGS FLY 1983 Recreational Marion 32.8 670949
31. PIGS IN SPACE 1985 Recreational Duluth, Mn 33 695126
32. PIGSNOOT IV 1970 Recreational Jackson Nj 36.1 573240
33. PIGTALES 1995 Recreational Louisiana 39.2 1043394
34. PIGTRACKS 1988 Recreational New York Ny 30 929389
35. POOH PIGLET 1991 Recreational Tuckerton 39.4 988126
36. SEA PIG II 1985 Recreational New Smyrna 32.8 973839
37. TROPIGAL 1978 Recreational Key West 35 616597
38. WHEN PIGS FLY 1976 Recreational Boston 31.6 585623
39. WHEN PIGS FLY 1986 Recreational Lee'S Summit 42.1 919877

Also I've seen or found the Happy Heifer, Heifers, Heifer Dust, The
Brown Cow, Pied Cow, two Cowardly Lions, twenty boats with some
variation of Black Sheep, a Sheep Dog, and a Wild Sheep

Aqua Hog (2), Bay Hog (3), Blind Hog, Elegant Hog, Fish Hog (4) Hedge
Hog (2), Ground Hog, Hog Dogs, The Slippery Hog, Wart Hog (2). Plus
over 300 boats that had some version of BEAR in their names.

On Mar 1, 6:01*pm, Rosalie B. wrote:

Hi:

And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation......
NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.

So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all
sort of discusting things...

Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well.

Bagger.......... like I said, no worthy Sea Boat has a terestial
animal name

bob

Bob wrote:

On Mar 1, 6:01*pm, Rosalie B. wrote:

Hi:

And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation......

No they weren't. One was Passenger (Uninspected) and one was
Unclassified.

NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.

I've been following the CG documentation site for some time (8 or 10
years). Those designations are not consistent at all, and have
nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is
capable of.

I have a list of 378 CSYs most of the documented and there is only one
of them that has a Coastwise designation without Recreational or
Fishing added. Some are Passenger, and some are Unclassified. But
the majority are Recreational.

Names of the boats on the list include Emerald Dragon (has been to
South America), El Unicorn (SSCA Commodores), one formerly named
Hungry Heifer (was in charter in the Chesapeake and now in St.
Thomas), one that was Sailin' Bear, one that was Floating Bear, Ol'
Dog 2 (also SSCA), several named Pegasus, and Peter Rabbit. All
documented Recreational.

The documentation has nothing to do with reality.

In case you are not familiar with SSCA Membership requirements:

*
*The applicant(s) must have been an Associate member of the SSCA and lived aboard his or her own sailboat for at least 12 consecutive months prior to making this application. The boat must have been the principal residence of the Applicant (s) at the time of application.
*# Distance
*One of the following cruising distance requirements must be met:
*
* 1. 1,000 mile ocean passage nonstop, or
* 2. 1,500 mile offshore passage with not more than one stop, or
* 3. 2,000 mile coastal passage with unlimited stops (one stop must be at least 1,000 miles from the starting point, excluding waterways, lakes, rivers and canals).


So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all
sort of discusting things...

Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well.

Yes people display a shocking lack of taste when naming boats. There's
only one documented Blow Job, but there are 30 boats named Wet Spot.

Bagger.......... like I said, no worthy Sea Boat has a terestial
animal name

Our boat is listed as Recreational and so is a 33 foot boat that I'm
quite familiar with - they've been offshore to Halifax, and also over
to the Canaries, and presently are in the Med. Also friends of ours
who started out in the Virgin Islands, went through the Panama Canal,
spent two years in the Baja, and are now in Fiji. On a boat
classified as Recreational.
grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

On Mar 2, 7:13*am, Rosalie B. wrote:

NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.


*Those designations are not consistent at all, and have
nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is
capable of.

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

Hey there granny,

maybe I should re phrase my word choice, Few if any WORKING boats on
salt water have land animal names.
just because a sailboat.trawler bumbles around the ocean does not make
it a working boat. Take Joe and Skip. They both claim to be
experienced sailors yet each's record is an example of their skill
level.

Yes, the working fleets, once operated by those who had knowledge and
a respect for maritime history and tradition, are few now days. I
supoose next Skip will self certify his 360 days on the Pig, take a
test, and get his 50 grt master license and claim he is a seasoned
Captain.............. with years of experience.

But a few of us out there will mourn the fact that any nuckle head can
get a captains license and name their boat Heffer or Rodent or Cow
Patty or other such lubberly dribble........

Bob
Sorry I took your husbands name. no insult intended.....

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

maybe I should re phrase my word choice, Few if any WORKING boats on
salt water have land animal names.

A Lake Michigan car ferry is admittedly not a boat, or on salt water.
SS Badger has piston engines and burns coal.

Casady

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

On Mar 2, 7:13*am, Rosalie B. wrote:

NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.


*Those designations are not consistent at all, and have
nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is
capable of.

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

Hey there granny,

maybe I should re phrase my word ch
salt water have land animal names.
just because a sailboat.trawler bumbles around the ocean does not make
it a working boat. Take Joe and Skip. They both claim to be
experienced sailors yet each's record is an example of their skill
level.

Yes, the working fleets, once operated by those who had knowledge and
a respect for maritime history and tradition, are few now days. I
supoose next Skip will self certify his 360 days on the Pig, take a
test, and get his 50 grt master license and claim he is a seasoned
Captain.............. with years of experience.

But a few of us out there will mourn the fact that any nuckle head can
get a captains license and name their boat Heffer or Rodent or Cow
Patty or other such lubberly dribble........

Bob
Sorry I took your husbands name. no insult intended.....

I'm not sure whether you would number the Royal Navy among your elite
group of "those who had knowledge and a respect for maritime history
and tradition" but here is a list of British naval vessels, from the
1618 - 1642 naval List, with land animal names. I have deliberately
used the early list to illustrate that the practice of using animal
names is not a new one.

Name Date launched Fate
White Bear 1599 Sold 1629
(Red) Lion 1609 Rebuilt 1640
Antelope 1618 Burnt in 1649
Unicorn 1634 Sold in 1688
Leopard 1635 Captured by the Dutch in 1653
Lion 640 Rebuilt in 1658
Tiger 1647 Rebuilt in 1681
Antelope 1651 Wrecked in 1652
Leopard 1659 Sunk 1699.

It appears Sir, that you do not know what you are talking about.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

On Mar 2, 5:38*pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob

I'm not sure whether you would number the Royal Navy among your elite
group of "those who had knowledge and a respect for ....


Nope. Those limie war ships do not qualify. As our miltary also names
their boats after just about anybody. Hell even Ronald Rayguns got a
boat.

SO if your going international lets take a look at the Polish fishing
fleet under Soviet rule.
First the Polls refer to their boats as HE... as do several other
cultures. Polish boats ive worked on:
Kantar = small salt water fish
Admmiral Archischisky = Polish Naval skipper
Kalmar = Squid
Mustel = not sure
Dolphine = porpoise
Riekin = another fish

Now for there merchant fleet... their cargo boats are all named after
moutains as in Gorda

SO I guess we could go all over the world and get another slant on
"maritime history n tradtion"

So what do those "you buy me drink" girls call boats n your
neighborhood??



It appears Sir, that you do not know what you are talking about.

Bruce-in-Bangkok

Sorry Bruce I do, its just that your mind works a little to
international. Once you cite the Limmies as a source it opens th whole
world as potential examples.

I was thinking a bit more local.........

Here is something else for you to research. SOME de-naming events say,
EVERYTHING on a boat with the old name must be removed befor the new
naming act occures. Ever wonder why? I dont know if its the "true
origin" but I came up with a rather practical reason for removing
EVERYTHING with teh old name from the boat.

Whats your take Bruce?
Bob

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:01:52 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

On Mar 2, 5:38*pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob

I'm not sure whether you would number the Royal Navy among your elite
group of "those who had knowledge and a respect for ....


Nope. Those limie war ships do not qualify. As our miltary also names
their boats after just about anybody. Hell even Ronald Rayguns got a
boat.

SO if your going international lets take a look at the Polish fishing
fleet under Soviet rule.
First the Polls refer to their boats as HE... as do several other
cultures. Polish boats ive worked on:
Kantar = small salt water fish
Admmiral Archischisky = Polish Naval skipper
Kalmar = Squid
Mustel = not sure
Dolphine = porpoise
Riekin = another fish

Now for there merchant fleet... their cargo boats are all named after
moutains as in Gorda

SO I guess we could go all over the world and get another slant on
"maritime history n tradtion"

So what do those "you buy me drink" girls call boats n your
neighborhood??



It appears Sir, that you do not know what you are talking about.

Bruce-in-Bangkok

Sorry Bruce I do, its just that your mind works a little to
international. Once you cite the Limmies as a source it opens th whole
world as potential examples.

I was thinking a bit more local.........

Here is something else for you to research. SOME de-naming events say,
EVERYTHING on a boat with the old name must be removed befor the new
naming act occures. Ever wonder why? I dont know if its the "true
origin" but I came up with a rather practical reason for removing
EVERYTHING with teh old name from the boat.

Whats your take Bruce?
Bob

You used the term "those who had knowledge and a respect for ...." so
I assumed that you meant what you said. However, perhaps you actually
mean it to apply only to the U.S. and exclude all other countries, or
do you mean some specific area of the U.S.; New England Coast?
Chesapeake Bay? San Francisco bay?.

As far as changing a vessel's name I'm afraid that you need to quote a
source for that as certainly as far back as the 1500's we have written
evidence that vessel names were changed, with apparently no problems.
Quite the contrary, some of them were unbelievably lucky after the
name change. .

In my own case I just painted a new name on the stern and went sailing
and seeing that I rode out the recent Thai tsunami some 15 miles off
the island of Phi Phi, in Pha Nga Bay, I can't believe that any bad
luck was accrued by the name change.

No, what you HAVE to do is set off a string of firecrackers at the
stern of the boat when you leave anchor. This scares the devils off
the boat and allows you to sail off and leave them rather then having
them stay aboard where they can cause innumerable problems.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
news
Bob wrote:

On Mar 1, 6:01 pm, Rosalie B. wrote:

Hi:

And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation......

No they weren't. One was Passenger (Uninspected) and one was
Unclassified.

NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.

I've been following the CG documentation site for some time (8 or 10
years). Those designations are not consistent at all, and have
nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is
capable of.

I have a list of 378 CSYs most of the documented and there is only one
of them that has a Coastwise designation without Recreational or
Fishing added. Some are Passenger, and some are Unclassified. But
the majority are Recreational.

Names of the boats on the list include Emerald Dragon (has been to
South America), El Unicorn (SSCA Commodores), one formerly named
Hungry Heifer (was in charter in the Chesapeake and now in St.
Thomas), one that was Sailin' Bear, one that was Floating Bear, Ol'
Dog 2 (also SSCA), several named Pegasus, and Peter Rabbit. All
documented Recreational.

The documentation has nothing to do with reality.

In case you are not familiar with SSCA Membership requirements:

*
*The applicant(s) must have been an Associate member of the SSCA and lived
aboard his or her own sailboat for at least 12 consecutive months prior to
making this application. The boat must have been the principal residence
of the Applicant (s) at the time of application.
*# Distance
*One of the following cruising distance requirements must be met:
*
* 1. 1,000 mile ocean passage nonstop, or
* 2. 1,500 mile offshore passage with not more than one stop, or
* 3. 2,000 mile coastal passage with unlimited stops (one stop must be
at least 1,000 miles from the starting point, excluding waterways, lakes,
rivers and canals).


So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all
sort of discusting things...

Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well.

Yes people display a shocking lack of taste when naming boats. There's
only one documented Blow Job, but there are 30 boats named Wet Spot.

I saw one called Blood Vessel and another called Windward Sausage. Not sure
about their documentation status.



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On 2008-03-02 00:28:56 -0500, Bob said:

On Mar 1, 6:01*pm, Rosalie B. wrote:

Hi:

And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation......
NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.

So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all
sort of discusting things...

Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well.

Bagger.......... like I said, no worthy Sea Boat has a terestial
animal name

bob

Actually, I've seen a Wet Spot. (It's a power boat.) And DH swears
he's seen a boat by the name of Blow Job.

Ruby