Bob, single and LOVING it!

No doubt the women avoiding you has more to do with it that your own
chosing.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:27:57 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

have come to the unfortunate conclusion that she simply
should not be on a boat. Oddly, my daughters seem to do very well.
Yes, I am responsible for what happens on my boat and part of that
responsibility is keeping the inept from hurting others.

She is going for the choice of get rid of the boat or rid of her.
Which one? Nobody who doesn't know you both has even a clue.
I hope it gets worked out before someone gets hurt.

Casady

My brother wasn't steering the boat too good.. I kept telling him,, stay on
course, do this do that.

I went below..

When I came up on deck he was gone.

I looked back and he was sitting in the dinghy tied to the boat, a beer in
hand.

"What are you doing" I yelled.

He just laid back and sipped on the brew.

I finally pulled him back to the now totally messed up, off course boat.

He got on board,, I got out of the way ,, and away we went.

Your problem is YOU. Get the F...k out of the way. Leave your wife alone.
If she messes up..

Good for her. Let her mess up, let her have fun..

Pick a day when an accidental jibe isn't going to be a big deal.

Let her have at it..

Soon,, she will be telling you ..

"Get back on course".

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wrote in message
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A nice day, 12 kts and maybe in the 50s. Sailing with wife, 21 yr old
daughter, 11 yr old daughter and another 11 yr old friend. Everybody
takes turns at the tiller. Unfortunately, my wife is simply unable to
steer. EVERYBODY else quickly grasps the idea of feeling the pressure
on the tiller and steering accordingly. She is unable to do so.
Within a minute of closing my eyes and leaning back against the cabin,
I hear the sails flogging and THE DAMNED BOAT IS TACKING. She is
looking puzzled pushing the tiller every which way. I put her back on
course and fortunately my daughter wants to steer. Later, going
downwind, my wife wants to steer again so I tell her, "Keep it on 330
degrees, I'm going below to make a PB sandwich". The two little girls
are blocking the companionway ladder so I ask my little daughter to
make me a sandwich. My wife begins to nag them to get out of the way
so I can do it and I say they can do it and she insists that the kids
clear the ladder and this goes on and on and on and on and.....Suddenly,
the damned boom crashes across. WE'VE FU*&%$G JIBBED! She is so busy
doing what she shouldn't be doing that she allows the boat to jibe
nearly knocking me into the water.
I have had it, she is a menace to everybody around her on the boat.
So, I want to discourage her from ever going sailing again before she
kills someone. Yes, I have tried everything I can think of but she is
simply incapable of steering. Unfortunately, she forgets almost
everything she learns from one sailing trip to another. I have lost
track of the number of times I have taught her how to tie various
knots. I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that she simply
should not be on a boat. Oddly, my daughters seem to do very well.
Yes, I am responsible for what happens on my boat and part of that
responsibility is keeping the inept from hurting others.

Sir Thomas of Cannondale wrote:

My brother wasn't steering the boat too good.. I kept telling him,, stay on
course, do this do that.

I went below..

When I came up on deck he was gone.

I looked back and he was sitting in the dinghy tied to the boat, a beer in
hand.

"What are you doing" I yelled.

He just laid back and sipped on the brew.

I finally pulled him back to the now totally messed up, off course boat.

He got on board,, I got out of the way ,, and away we went.

Your problem is YOU. Get the F...k out of the way. Leave your wife alone.
If she messes up..

Good for her. Let her mess up, let her have fun..

Pick a day when an accidental jibe isn't going to be a big deal.

Let her have at it..

Soon,, she will be telling you ..

"Get back on course".

=


It's the only way...

Dorothy was a hoot on the tiller at first.

She often proclaimed it, "Sick and Wrong! And backwards too!"
For a while it was refered to as the "Evil thing".

She still somtimes starts to go the wrong way, but she catches it
quickly now.

She's only rounded up once in a header - learned not to do that.

And she hasn't accidentally gybed.
A demo on a windy day was enough to figer it out.
She's REAL careful about that downwind.

All in all, for a non-tech girl, she's doing pretty good.

Richard

On Feb 13, 7:20 pm, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
wrote:
My brother wasn't steering the boat too good.. I kept telling him,, stay on
course, do this do that.

I went below..

When I came up on deck he was gone.

I looked back and he was sitting in the dinghy tied to the boat, a beer in
hand.

"What are you doing" I yelled.

He just laid back and sipped on the brew.

I finally pulled him back to the now totally messed up, off course boat.

He got on board,, I got out of the way ,, and away we went.

Your problem is YOU. Get the F...k out of the way. Leave your wife alone.
If she messes up..

Good for her. Let her mess up, let her have fun..

Pick a day when an accidental jibe isn't going to be a big deal.

Let her have at it..

Soon,, she will be telling you ..

"Get back on course".

wrote in message

...

A nice day, 12 kts and maybe in the 50s. Sailing with wife, 21 yr old
daughter, 11 yr old daughter and another 11 yr old friend. Everybody
takes turns at the tiller. Unfortunately, my wife is simply unable to
steer. EVERYBODY else quickly grasps the idea of feeling the pressure
on the tiller and steering accordingly. She is unable to do so.
Within a minute of closing my eyes and leaning back against the cabin,
I hear the sails flogging and THE DAMNED BOAT IS TACKING. She is
looking puzzled pushing the tiller every which way. I put her back on
course and fortunately my daughter wants to steer. Later, going
downwind, my wife wants to steer again so I tell her, "Keep it on 330
degrees, I'm going below to make a PB sandwich". The two little girls
are blocking the companionway ladder so I ask my little daughter to
make me a sandwich. My wife begins to nag them to get out of the way
so I can do it and I say they can do it and she insists that the kids
clear the ladder and this goes on and on and on and on and.....Suddenly,
the damned boom crashes across. WE'VE FU*&%$G JIBBED! She is so busy
doing what she shouldn't be doing that she allows the boat to jibe
nearly knocking me into the water.
I have had it, she is a menace to everybody around her on the boat.
So, I want to discourage her from ever going sailing again before she
kills someone. Yes, I have tried everything I can think of but she is
simply incapable of steering. Unfortunately, she forgets almost
everything she learns from one sailing trip to another. I have lost
track of the number of times I have taught her how to tie various
knots. I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that she simply
should not be on a boat. Oddly, my daughters seem to do very well.
Yes, I am responsible for what happens on my boat and part of that
responsibility is keeping the inept from hurting others.

As dt is finding, canoeing is the ultimate test of a relationship. If
you can stand to have her steer while you are swinging from bank to
bank and going through spider webs from her steering without going
nuts, you'll prob do ok as a couple. Our first date was a canoe trip
where it started seriously storming and we did the rapids by
flashlight and it rained very hard for 48 hours. Relationship went
downhill from there and she even got seruiously hurt in a climbimg
accident on our 90 day camping honeymoon in CO. We might last through
sailing.

When Bob wanted to buy a boat, we took a trip to the Virgin Islands on
a crewed charter first. When he did buy the boat, I took some lessons
by myself. So I agree with that advice. She doesn't need your bad
attitude towards her - it isn't helping her learn.

Second, I find that I cannot steer with a tiller. I do OK with a
wheel, but I just can't do a tiller. And if I try with the tiller,
then there's a period that I can't do it with the wheel either. So I
refuse to use a tiller. Bob thinks that I'm crazy, but that's what
works for me. And if he wants me on the boat taking a turn at the
helm, it has to be a wheel and even then it takes concentrated thought
on my part (especially with a wind on the aft quarter) to know which
way to turn to keep the wind in the proper alignment. We do have
hydraulic steering and I know all you purists are going to say that
there's less feel. But that's immaterial - it doesn't do me any good
to feel pressure if I don't know which way to steer when it changes..
I am directionally challenged in a lot of respects. I also have a
problem backing a car, and telling my right from my left (the OTHER
right). So maybe that is your wife's problem.

Also, it does not sound as though either of you is giving the boat
your full attention when your children and a friend are along. If
she is arguing with you she's not paying attention to the boat. So if
you want her to pay attention to the boat - don't argue with her and
distract her. She might do perfectly well if she was alone on the
boat or with someone more supportive.

wrote:

A nice day, 12 kts and maybe in the 50s. Sailing with wife, 21 yr old
daughter, 11 yr old daughter and another 11 yr old friend. Everybody
takes turns at the tiller. Unfortunately, my wife is simply unable to
steer. EVERYBODY else quickly grasps the idea of feeling the pressure
on the tiller and steering accordingly. She is unable to do so.
Within a minute of closing my eyes and leaning back against the cabin,
I hear the sails flogging and THE DAMNED BOAT IS TACKING. She is
looking puzzled pushing the tiller every which way. I put her back on
course and fortunately my daughter wants to steer. Later, going
downwind, my wife wants to steer again so I tell her, "Keep it on 330
degrees, I'm going below to make a PB sandwich". The two little girls
are blocking the companionway ladder so I ask my little daughter to
make me a sandwich. My wife begins to nag them to get out of the way
so I can do it and I say they can do it and she insists that the kids
clear the ladder and this goes on and on and on and on and.....Suddenly,
the damned boom crashes across. WE'VE FU*&%$G JIBBED! She is so busy
doing what she shouldn't be doing that she allows the boat to jibe
nearly knocking me into the water.
I have had it, she is a menace to everybody around her on the boat.
So, I want to discourage her from ever going sailing again before she
kills someone. Yes, I have tried everything I can think of but she is
simply incapable of steering. Unfortunately, she forgets almost
everything she learns from one sailing trip to another. I have lost
track of the number of times I have taught her how to tie various
knots. I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that she simply
should not be on a boat. Oddly, my daughters seem to do very well.
Yes, I am responsible for what happens on my boat and part of that
responsibility is keeping the inept from hurting others.

I'm sorry for your wife..

I think you need to focus more on your marriage than on sailing..
Remember when it was "fun" to do things together, and you couldn't get
enough of her?

I give her credit for going along with your dreams and goals.. Maybe
you should also..

Diana

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:27:57 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

A nice day, 12 kts and maybe in the 50s. Sailing with wife, 21 yr old
daughter, 11 yr old daughter and another 11 yr old friend. Everybody
takes turns at the tiller. Unfortunately, my wife is simply unable to
steer. EVERYBODY else quickly grasps the idea of feeling the pressure
on the tiller and steering accordingly. She is unable to do so.
Within a minute of closing my eyes and leaning back against the cabin,
I hear the sails flogging and THE DAMNED BOAT IS TACKING. She is
looking puzzled pushing the tiller every which way. I put her back on
course and fortunately my daughter wants to steer. Later, going
downwind, my wife wants to steer again so I tell her, "Keep it on 330
degrees, I'm going below to make a PB sandwich". The two little girls
are blocking the companionway ladder so I ask my little daughter to
make me a sandwich. My wife begins to nag them to get out of the way
so I can do it and I say they can do it and she insists that the kids
clear the ladder and this goes on and on and on and on and.....Suddenly,
the damned boom crashes across. WE'VE FU*&%$G JIBBED! She is so busy
doing what she shouldn't be doing that she allows the boat to jibe
nearly knocking me into the water.
I have had it, she is a menace to everybody around her on the boat.
So, I want to discourage her from ever going sailing again before she
kills someone. Yes, I have tried everything I can think of but she is
simply incapable of steering. Unfortunately, she forgets almost
everything she learns from one sailing trip to another. I have lost
track of the number of times I have taught her how to tie various
knots. I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that she simply
should not be on a boat. Oddly, my daughters seem to do very well.
Yes, I am responsible for what happens on my boat and part of that
responsibility is keeping the inept from hurting others.